Current Events > I really think that Bernie Sanders won in Iowa.

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This delay is unacceptable and this is designed to nerf his campaign.

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Yup, they are doing it because they hate the idea of a progressive winning.

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They can stop him but he will inevitably recapture the momentum with NH and Nevada

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I cant wait to kiss Bernie on the lips when he becomes president

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bernie supporters are in a competition with trump supporters over who can come up with the dumbest conspiracy theories and so far there's no clear winner

I'd likely vote for Bernie if he was up against Trump. Mostly cause I think it will destabilize the system even more than trump.

Go Bernie!

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

bernie supporters are in a competition with trump supporters over who can come up with the dumbest conspiracy theories and so far there's no clear winner

Its hard to blame them dude

this is literally the 2nd election in a row with unacceptably incompetent and weird unexplained shenanigans that solely effect him negatively and no one else

Either hes being fucked or the entire DNC are morons and he is the unluckiest man since the guy who accidentally pierced holes in Hitler's dad's condoms
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Actually all this mess was fabricated to try to prevent Pete from winning since they know hes the one whos been campaigning the most in Iowa.

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Pretty sure he did. DNC just doesn't want to admit it

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It seems likely he won SDEs by a razor's edge. He certainly got the most votes.
Essentially I think Pete's complaint is that the Iowa Democratic Party is giving too much weight to the so-called "satellite" caucuses set-up to help poorer people and people who generally had places to be instead of a caucus. But then, some of these satellite caucuses actually had more people at them than the caucus they were spun off of.

Really, at the end of the day, this whole farce has exposed what utter BS the Iowa caucus is and always was.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Its hard to blame them dude

no it's very easy

UnfairRepresent posted...

incompetent and weird unexplained shenanigans that solely effect him negatively

how does not releasing results that show him tied or losing to a guy who was 7 points behind him in polling impact him negatively? Pete was the big story in Iowa so it's he who's lost the most from this.

the real story here is that bernie's supporters love making up bullshit conspiracy theories every time something doesn't go his way. he can't be wrong or lose ever, first rule of a cult.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

bernie supporters are in a competition with trump supporters over who can come up with the dumbest conspiracy theories and so far there's no clear winner

DNC supporters/conspiracy deniers are a lot closer to trump supporters tbh. Looking at this and going, ah yes this all seems completely legitimate, is the same kind of blatant disregard for all the smoke wafting from the fire.

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butthole666 posted...

conspiracy deniers

haha

butthole666 posted...

Looking at this and going, ah yes this all seems completely legitimate, is the same kind of blatant disregard for all the smoke wafting from the fire.

yes america's never botched a vote count and software has never been known to fail, excellent point fellow normal person. the most likely thing here is that the DNC intentionally delayed announcing that Bernie under performed to.. hurt Bernie? Yes that will do.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

yes america's never botched a vote count and software has never been known to fail, excellent point fellow normal person. the most likely thing here is that the DNC intentionally delayed announcing that Bernie under performed to.. hurt Bernie? Yes that will do.

UnfairRepresent posted...

this is literally the 2nd election in a row with unacceptably incompetent and weird unexplained shenanigans that solely effect him negatively and no one else

Either hes being fucked or the entire DNC are morons and he is the unluckiest man since the guy who accidentally pierced holes in Hitler's dad's condoms

Broseph_Stalin posted...

no it's very easy

how does not releasing results that show him tied or losing to a guy who was 7 points behind him in polling impact him negatively? Pete was the big story in Iowa so it's he who's lost the most from this.

the real story here is that bernie's supporters love making up bullshit conspiracy theories every time something doesn't go his way. he can't be wrong or lose ever, first rule of a cult.

@Shablagoo posted...

* It's not rigged, Bernie Bros. But the Selzer poll showing Bernie leading the field was spiked at the last minute.
* Still, it's not rigged. But the company that developed the app, Shadow, was paid tens of thousands by Mayor Pete in the last few months.
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1224668598246891520

* But stop complaining that it was rigged. Even though no results were reported the night of the voting itself.
* Still, how can you complain it's rigged? But it just so happens the CEO of Shadow, who developed the app, was/is a Pete fan who had made his support public multiple times
https://twitter.com/GotBerniesBack/status/1224586313338249217

* I don't want to hear you bros say anything about a rigged contest however. Don't worry about the fact that the 62% of initial results reported were all from Pete counties with Bernie counties left outstanding
https://twitter.com/delmoi/status/1225203117727395840

* The online leftists whine too much. Even though Pete took a victory lap speech the night after, and the mainstream media covered it as a victory for Pete
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1225344451352178688

* But you bros just can't yell 'conspiracy' everywhere. It's no big deal that ACRONYM, the funders of the Shadow app, were funded by a silicon valley billionaire, who just happened to have funded an "online disinformation campaign" in a previous senate race!
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/06/acronym-iowa- caucus-billionaire-alabama-disinformation/

* Also, that the ACRONYM founder is married to a high level Buttigieg advisor.
* Also, ACRONYM was founded by a bunch of former Clinton campaign veterans.
* And ACRONYM has David Plouff on their board, a big former Obama staffer
* Also, the Pod Save crew is on the board of an investment operation that funded a company acquired by ACRONYM recently, and have had their CEO on the pod itself
* Also, that the IDP reported incorrect results where Bernie was shortchanged a few thousand votes
* Also, that the slow drip was extended out near the weekend and maybe into it, effectively killing the bounce for the real winner.
* And even where the counts are right, the IDP is still using incorrect tallies for state delegates that favor Buttigieg
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1225235775555538944

* Also, that the NYT needle and all the other mainstream media sites didn't even take into account the heavily Bernie favored Satellite caucuses, and instead were content to show Buttigieg with a 95% lead for 24 hours.
* And it's probably just a mistake that one of Bernie's biggest precincts is being undercounted by the IDP despite them publishing their own results
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1225167351617712128

* Also, that the IDP STILL hasn't corrected all the results which happen to go against Bernie

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1225331668912918529

And if you believe that these dozen+ incidents that all happen to affect the Sanders campaign negatively are a coincidence is a conspiracy, well, how dare you say that.

No one is denying that Bernie can lose.

This is just shady as fuck to the extent of corruption or absurd incompetence

And either way it is unacceptable, not something you should defend as totally rational and wrong to criticize

You're basically the "this is fine" burning to death guy right now
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No one is denying that Bernie can lose.

This is just shady as fuck to the extent of corruption or absurd incompetence

And either way it is unacceptable, not something you should defend as totally rational and wrong to criticize

You're basically the "this is fine" burning to death guy right now

lmao u kidding me bro right could that satire not be more obvious?

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I thought he was using your excellent post as a rebuttal

He did. Though he got the same delegates as Pete he got 6000 more popular votes.

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Omnislasher posted...

I thought he was using your excellent post as a rebuttal

Yeah I didn't want to just copy and paste half of his points without credit

They to be nice to someone and they just get angry
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How does this negatively impact Sanders but benefit everyone else?

Sanders was already surging and seemed to have a strong New Hampshire coming up. After Iowa and Biden's seemingly poor showing, Sanders is now tracking for wins in more states and is clearly the front runner.

Buttigieg would want a more definite win here because this miasma surrounding a potential win here gives him less of a bump than actual definite win would.

Warren would like to have results shown because it's clear she came in third but the question was how close was her showing. With the vague results we have, her campaign is scrambling.

Biden is probably the least affected here.

Unless Sanders was 100% the definite winner on all accounts, these shenanigans have actually helped Sanders and his campaign the most.

pistachio12 posted...

How does this negatively impact Sanders but benefit everyone else?

erm

Post #14 explains that pretty well.

You didn't read the explanation then asked what the explanation is?...
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pistachio12 posted...

Biden is probably the least affected here.

Biden was literally destroyed by Buttigieg. This was a campaign ender for him. He's going to stay until super Tuesday and that's when he will pull out.

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pistachio12 posted...

How does this negatively impact Sanders but benefit everyone else?

Sanders was already surging and seemed to have a strong New Hampshire coming up. After Iowa and Biden's seemingly poor showing, Sanders is now tracking for wins in more states and is clearly the front runner.

Buttigieg would want a more definite win here because this miasma surrounding a potential win here gives him less of a bump than actual definite win would.

Warren would like to have results shown because it's clear she came in third but the question was how close was her showing. With the vague results we have, her campaign is scrambling.

Biden is probably the least affected here.

Unless Sanders was 100% the definite winner on all accounts, these shenanigans have actually helped Sanders and his campaign the most.

The discussion is about what has been caused by the bungling and shady shit around Iowa, not the technical results insofar as we even have them.

The most basic effect of this fiasco has been to obscure the results of Iowa. The whole story now and all that anyone who isn't following the absurd minutiae of this fucking mess is taking away from it is that the Democrats botched their caucus in Iowa, it's unclear who won, we don't know yet, there were technical problems, etc etc. That being the case, what the average person ISN'T taking away from this, or at least as much as they would have been, is "holy shit the presumed front-runner just came in a distant FOURTH (might actually be fifth) in the first contest!?"
So that's how it helps Biden.

Bernie won. We know well that he won more votes on both initial count and after realignment. When(if?) they finally figure this shit out he'll probably end up with the most SDEs as well but that point barely matters. In Buttigieg's own words, he believes "the person who gets the most votes ought to be the winner". Nevertheless, because of the delays and the specific and seemingly arbitrary but actually probably purposeful manner in which they rolled out the results, the gutless rat Buttigieg was able to be the one to go out on stage Monday night and baselessly claim that he was "victorious" moving on to N.H. Meaning that was the only real headline that the media had to go with and Buttigieg benefited from that phony media narrative in the following few days.
Sanders, on the other hand, was denied the opportunity to come out of Iowa with the major boost that was hard earned by the campaign.

There was also a major debacle before the caucus even started. Buttigieg's campaign managed to get the major CNN Iowa poll that was to come out the day before the caucus withdrawn on a very minor technical complaint. That poll showed Bernie in 1st, Warren in 2nd, Buttigieg in 3rd, and Biden in 4th. They were going to do a whole special on it. It was canceled; people didn't see it. That helps both Buttigieg and Biden and hurts Bernie and Warren.

I thought Buttigieg already claimed victory.
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TheRealDill2015 posted...

I thought Buttigieg already claimed victory.

After only 80% of the votes were counted. Turns out of you actually count them all things change.

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Omnislasher posted...

"holy shit the presumed front-runner just came in a distant FOURTH (might actually be fifth) in the first contest!?"

Bernie was leading Biden in polling before the election, he was the front runner. But Bernie ended up in a tie with a guy who was seven points behind him, if the DNC wanted to hurt Bernie they'd have no issue releasing that information ASAP. This hurt Pete more than anyone else.

In reality Bernie's supporters always come up with conspiracy theories when something doesn't go his way. Like Trump, he can apparently never be wrong or have a bad day. It's all just fake news.

Omnislasher posted...

There was also a major debacle before the caucus even started. Buttigieg's campaign managed to get the major CNN Iowa poll that was to come out the day before the caucus withdrawn on a very minor technical complaint. That poll showed Bernie in 1st, Warren in 2nd, Buttigieg in 3rd, and Biden in 4th. They were going to do a whole special on it. It was canceled; people didn't see it. That helps both Buttigieg and Biden and hurts Bernie and Warren.

Wow

Just wow

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Bernie was leading Biden in polling before the election, he was the front runner. But Bernie ended up in a tie with a guy who was seven points behind him, if the DNC wanted to hurt Bernie they'd have no issue releasing that information ASAP. This hurt Pete more than anyone else.

In reality Bernie's supporters always come up with conspiracy theories when something doesn't go his way. Like Trump, he can apparently never be wrong or have a bad day. It's all just fake news.

Alright you just ignored everything everyone said and doubled down on "Actually this hurt Pete. Everything anyone points out is a conspiracy theory!" garbage.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

erm

Post #14 explains that pretty well.

You didn't read the explanation then asked what the explanation is?...

Conspiracy theories are not explanations. Buttigieg declared victory because internal metrics said he might win and he wanted to capitalize with media coverage for New Hampshire.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Biden was literally destroyed by Buttigieg. This was a campaign ender for him. He's going to stay until super Tuesday and that's when he will pull out.

I am speaking specifically to the terrible rollout of these results, not the actual results themselves. If there should be any conspiracy theory, it should be the Iowa DNC slow-stepping the results to protect Biden.

Omnislasher posted...

The discussion is about what has been caused by the bungling and shady shit around Iowa, not the technical results insofar as we even have them.

The most basic effect of this fiasco has been to obscure the results of Iowa. The whole story now and all that anyone who isn't following the absurd minutiae of this fucking mess is taking away from it is that the Democrats botched their caucus in Iowa, it's unclear who won, we don't know yet, there were technical problems, etc etc. That being the case, what the average person ISN'T taking away from this, or at least as much as they would have been, is "holy shit the presumed front-runner just came in a distant FOURTH (might actually be fifth) in the first contest!?"
So that's how it helps Biden.

Bernie won. We know well that he won more votes on both initial count and after realignment. When(if?) they finally figure this shit out he'll probably end up with the most SDEs as well but that point barely matters. In Buttigieg's own words, he believes "the person who gets the most votes ought to be the winner". Nevertheless, because of the delays and the specific and seemingly arbitrary but actually probably purposeful manner in which they rolled out the results, the gutless rat Buttigieg was able to be the one to go out on stage Monday night and baselessly claim that he was "victorious" moving on to N.H. Meaning that was the only real headline that the media had to go with and Buttigieg benefited from that phony media narrative in the following few days.
Sanders, on the other hand, was denied the opportunity to come out of Iowa with the major boost that was hard earned by the campaign.

There was also a major debacle before the caucus even started. Buttigieg's campaign managed to get the major CNN Iowa poll that was to come out the day before the caucus withdrawn on a very minor technical complaint. That poll showed Bernie in 1st, Warren in 2nd, Buttigieg in 3rd, and Biden in 4th. They were going to do a whole special on it. It was canceled; people didn't see it. That helps both Buttigieg and Biden and hurts Bernie and Warren.

I agree with your assessment about Biden actually and just had that in my most recent post.

I also think we're evaluating too much into the minutiae. Buttigieg did get the media boost because he claimed victory right away. That's politics. But if Sanders does end up winning, we might get to see if Buttigieg's early victory claim will overall help or hurt him.

I am also aware of the poll results that got pulled. My main point here is that people are reading this as a crazy conspiracy against Sanders and/or bad news for sanders but I'm not sure we can safely say that yet. Sanders now has the best odds on 538 even with this whole mess.

Cheater87 posted...

Yup, they are doing it because they hate the idea of a progressive winning.

Which makes sense considering what that would mean for humanity

Everyone knows broseph is pistachio so what's the purpose of waffling between accounts.

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Worst thing to happened to america was making #CONSPIRACY into a bad word

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foreverzero212 posted...

Everyone knows broseph is pistachio so what's the purpose of waffling between accounts.

who the fuck is pistachio

foreverzero212 posted...

Everyone knows broseph is pistachio so what's the purpose of waffling between accounts.

If you say so. I'm pretty sure Broseph doesn't support Sanders will I actually do. I just hate the online contingent of his supporters that will find any thing to complain about it.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

who the fuck is pistachio

The account you switch to after melting down on this account. You've already admitted to it so i guess this is just another layer of the long troll.

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Lmao what a sad existence
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pistachio12 posted...

If you say so. I'm pretty sure Broseph doesn't support Sanders will I actually do. I just hate the online contingent of his supporters that will find any thing to complain about it.

No one actually thinks like this. Especially not to defend what's going down in Iowa. You can't have the most niche perspective in the world and expect to not get it sniffed out on multiple accounts.

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foreverzero212 posted...

No one actually thinks like this. Especially not to defend what's going down in Iowa. You can't have the most niche perspective in the world and expect not get it sniffed out on multiple accounts.

It's not that this specific instance bothers me. Iowa was clearly a cluster fuck and there is definitely a lot to complain about it. I'm just more annoyed with other conspiracy theories floating around like Buttigieg intentionally gave money to design the app to not work so that he can claim victory, despite the fact they will have back-up paper records of all the votes. I also hate the need for people to call Buttigieg a rat and Warren a snake - it steals directly from Trump giving his political opponents dumb nicknames and it reeks of lacking the ability to counter arguments.

Now if you want to actually engage in a conversation rather than calling me an alt (although I guess Broseph would be my alt but whatever), let's go for it.

I just checked *ahem* (that certain site) to make sure I remembered correctly and I did. Discussions have proven to be a waste of time with you so I'll leave that to others that are still willing and I'll bow out. Good night yall

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Pete is an amoral careeist, the presidency would be another thing on his resume, and that's it. He would lose to trump.
Bernie wants to help people, he'd beat Trump

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foreverzero212 posted...

The account you switch to after melting down on this account. You've already admitted to it

i literally have no idea who that person is and you're saying i admitted to it?

there are multiple people on this site who regularly makes claims like this, i honestly can't keep up with your guys mental issues

foreverzero212 posted...

I just checked *ahem* (that certain site) to make sure I remembered correctly and I did. Discussions have proven to be a waste of time with you so I'll leave that to others that are still willing and I'll bow out. Good night yall

What are you even on about? You haven't even engaged in a conversation - just accusations.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

bernie supporters are in a competition with trump supporters over who can come up with the dumbest conspiracy theories and so far there's no clear winner

Much of the DNC openly admits that he's too far left for them to want him to win. They clearly fucked him over in the last election. The media is clearly biased against him and often ignores him, despite his large crowds of supporters.
If you dont see that something fishy is going on then you're a little slow..

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How angry do you guys think Broseph will be if we end up with a president Sanders?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah I didn't want to just copy and paste half of his points without credit

They to be nice to someone and they just get angry

no my bad bro I skimmed the other quotes in the post, I apologize

Alpha218 posted...

How angry do you guys think Broseph will be if we end up with a president Sanders?

https://giphy.com/gifs/nba-mascot-47Cb1KQ1wozdOCIiAk

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