Board 8 > new ff7r trailer (looks so good)

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See I always thought Aeris looked and sounded dumb compared to Aerith, so it all comes down to the person

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If it was meant to be Air-eese, that would be fine, but Air-iss is dumb and the change to -ith makes it better.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Doesn't Tidus's Japanese name have a long E sound in it, too? But comparing it to "Titus" has always been a dumb argument. They come from different languages, so that doesn't matter

Zanarkand is not inherently a Japanese feeling culture though.

Just because it's a Japanese game doesn't mean all the names in it should inherently be Japanese in origin. Like Jecht is about as far from a Japanese looking name as you can get.

Zanarkand feels more American than anything given the way they place sports on a pedestal and live in general excess.

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Lopen posted...

Zanarkand feels more American than anything given the way they place sports on a pedestal and live in general excess.

Americans wouldn't play water soccer though, so it's definitely a European vibe

seriously though the only reason it's tee-dus instead of ti-tus is because the narrator for the original English trailer went with it and so Square went with it too, so if he had gone the other way, it would've been ti-tus

but the point is that you have to Anglicize every name that isn't inherently English (including Titus...!) so comparing two names that aren't English isn't a strong argument

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Man I'm loving all this FF7 talk. What a time to be alive!

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A 40 hour JRPG with four playable characters, at least until the extreme end, is rare. Makes me wonder if anything is added post-Shinra HQ so you can use Red XIII more.

I thought this was also confirmed via datamine, that he's not in there. XV only had four playables too?

I've been under the impression the whole time that Red will never be playable and he'll get the Biggs/Wedge/Jessie treatment this time, fully playable next time...

MartinFF7 posted...

I thought this was also confirmed via datamine, that he's not in there. XV only had four playables too?

Yep. FFV kinda did, too!

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Aerith sounds like someone trying to say Heiress with a lisp, I do not like it
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Well, I believe Titus is a European name either way. Like Roman or Irish or something. Tidus's ultimate sword is the Caladbolg which is Irish in origin which also paints Tidus in a European kinda way.

Anyway the real point is all the stuff related to Tidus in FFX isn't really Japanese in flavor so using that as your base point is broken to begin with. His name really has no reason to be pronounced in a Japanese kind of way, unlike someone like Yuffie.

I mean we basically agree here either way but yeah.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

So have the sequels been confirmed to carry over stats game-to-game a la Mass Effect?

Literally nothing about them has been confirmed yet.

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Titus is Italian.

Literally a Roman emperor.

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I got it in two. I'd put Tidus as closer to Italian than Japanese in any case.

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Lopen posted...

Anyway the real point is all the stuff related to Tidus in FFX isn't really Japanese in flavor so using that as your base point is broken to begin with. His name really has no reason to be pronounced in a Japanese kind of way, unlike someone like Yuffie.

I mean, my point is you can't argue it should be pronounced like another name of a different origin because they're similar. It's like arguing Juan should be pronounced with a hard J because it's basically John.

I see the argument for tie-dus but that part I've never thought was good reasoning.

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It sounds like "Tide" is enough reasoning for me honestly

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Well my point is that Tidus's character origin seems closest to European or American and as such it makes more sense to pronounce the name similarly to how you'd expect a name from one of those regions to be pronounced than to use the Japanese pronunciation just cause the game is Japanese. Thus the jump to Titus isn't as big a deal as you're making it. It's not really like Juan vs John because a Spanish style motif is something that can exist with a character too, even if the setting isn't based in our world.

But yeah to contrast Yuffie on the other hand is laced with Japanese tropes, so makes more sense to pronounce her name in a Japanese way. Heck honestly I would say Yuna kinda is too to use an example from the same game-- but Tidus not so much. He's the dumb American tourist.

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Tidus doesn't really remind me of a Roman emperor imhotbqh

(for the record Titus would be pronounced with a short I in Latin so we've been saying that one wrong this whole time too...!)

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Woah woah woah, Red XIII isn't playable in the first game? That's shocking.

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Woah woah woah, Red XIII isn't playable in the first game? That's shocking.

Why go through the effort of making a playable character who only joins in, what would conceivably be, the final dungeon?

Maybe I'm wrong but I always just figured it'd be that way (though am bracing for being wrong and he's playable in some real post-game content like someone mentioned earlier or, even worse, ReDLC XIII). Which is also why I assume a theoretical "part 2" lasts long enough to give Cait Sith plenty of opportunity & ends before Vincent & Cid join.

Part 2 could have Yuffie and Cait Sith right? Yuffie can join pretty early IIRC

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I do wonder how they're going to handle Yuffie's recruitment since there's no set time and place when you have to get her.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I do wonder how they're going to handle Yuffie's recruitment since there's no set time and place when you have to get her.

Make her and Wutai mandatory and expanded.

MartinFF7 posted...

Why go through the effort of making a playable character who only joins in, what would conceivably be, the final dungeon?

Maybe I'm wrong but I always just figured it'd be that way (am bracing for real post-game content like someone mentioned earlier or, even worse, ReDLC XIII). Which is also why I assume a theoretical "part 2" lasts long enough to give Cait Sith plenty of opportunity & ends before Vincent & Cid join.

True enough.

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Make her and Wutai mandatory and expanded.

Well, if you do that, then she becomes the last recruited member since you can't go to Wutai until after you get Cid and the Tiny Bronco.

I guess I'd be okay with that since Yuffie sucks...!

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Mandatory forest before Junon, of course!

Has anyone thought how the world map is going to be handled? Are we getting XV-style open world or XIII style point-A-to-point-B? Again I'm assuming the latter... hell, Yuffie boss fight in Mythril Mines, why not keep blowing up precedence. She can claim she's hunting for materia!

Nah, you've gotta have a Turks boss fight in the Mythril Mines!

I feel like it depends on what you want to do with FFVIIR. If you want to have a bunch of hunts and stuff like FFXV had, you'll need an open world. I don't think people would be satisfied with corridors like in FFXIII here.

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what if game 1 is linear midgar
game 2 is semiopen world gaia
game 3 is full open world gaia
game 4 is the prequel about shinra in ffx-2 learning how to harness the lifestream for energy, which leads naturally into ffx-3 and tidus head explosionz

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gross don't call it Gaia

it's just the Planet

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LeonhartFour posted...

gross don't call it Gaia

it's just the Planet

i don't know what it's called

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it's the Planet

not every world needs a fancy name...!

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I'm glad the trailer has no AC/CC stufff, also.

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skullbone posted...

Cait Sith is pronounced "Ket Shee"?

Yeah that's going to fuck some people up

I figured I was saying it wrong but man I didnt think I was that wrong.

But at least I've gotten yuffie and tifa right somehow.

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The Versus Guide actually tells you how to pronounce it so I've known from the start...!

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I never ever pronounced it correctly as a kid, but nowadays it's second nature to me. I don't really know why.

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Zigzagoon posted...

One Winged Angel

Now that's overrated

Late to the party but One Winged Angel sucks

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Lopen posted...

Anyway the real point is all the stuff related to Tidus in FFX isn't really Japanese in flavor so using that as your base point is broken to begin with. His name really has no reason to be pronounced in a Japanese kind of way, unlike someone like Yuffie.

Tidus' name comes from the Okinawan word for sun, which is why he has the Sun sigil and probably why he's blonde and wears yellow. His name was never supposed to be related to tides, that's just a coincidence. They probably gave him and Yuna Okinawan sounding names because the game has an island theme, I guess.

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Tidus is pronounced exactly like you do in Danish, so I always said that right.

Cait Sith on the other hand...

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MZero11 posted...

Tidus' name comes from the Okinawan word for sun, which is why he has the Sun sigil and probably why he's blonde and wears yellow. His name was never supposed to be related to tides, that's just a coincidence. They probably gave him and Yuna Okinawan sounding names because the game has an island theme, I guess.

So why is Tidus the one to be named after a Japanese word while Cloud and Squall are based off of English words

Especially when Tidus has a much stronger water theme than sun theme

I think there's a coincidence at work, but it's not the one I'm mentioning.

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Lopen posted...

So why is Tidus the one to be named after a Japanese word while Cloud and Squall are based off of English words

Especially when Tidus has a much stronger water theme than sun theme

I think there's a coincidence at work, but it's not the one I'm mentioning.

Yuna's name in Okinawan means "moon," to contrast Tidus's meaning "sun."

Tidus's name comes from the word tida, which means "sun" in Okinawan, and establishes a contrast between him and Yuna, whose name means "moon" in Okinawan. The contrast is represented by in-game items named for the sun and moon that empower Tidus's and Yuna's Celestial Weapons.

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Because Cloud and Squall are named after romanized English words, which is the exact opposite of the Tidus situation.

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You literally just repeated MZero's post but cited a wikipedia page instead of his words.

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Lopen posted...

You literally just repeated MZero's post but cited a wikipedia page instead of his words.

Yes, because your logic makes no sense.

Yuna's weapon is powered up by a Moon item. Yuna's name comes from the Okinawan word for "Moon."
Tidus's weapon is powered up by a Sun item. Tidus's name comes from... Tides? When it's very close to the Okinawan word for "Sun?"

C'mon, now. You gotta take the loss on this one.

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Mars Sigil, Lulu's, is named for the god of war, which is meant as a contrast to Rikku's Venus Sigil, named after the goddess of love. This opposite nature symbolizes their vying for Tidus's affections which is reinforced by the fact that they can throw him the ball for Blitz Ace.

Mercury, is the closest planet of the sun, which symbolizes Tidus and Wakka's brotherly bond.

ORRR it could just be that they're all based off of stuff in the solar system, with the two main characters getting the two most prominent features in the solar system as you'd expect them to, and it's a bunch of square pegged horoscope shit to try and seem insightful

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Or they went for the planet themes because of Tidus and Yuna's names.

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I mean Cloud and Squall arent based on english words, they are english words.

If they were continuing that pattern Tidus would be Tide (or Sun)

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And Tidus referring to the sun still fits with the Cloud and Squall naming convention

Not that they were beholden to it since they sure didn't bother with Zidane

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Lopen posted...

Mars Sigil, Lulu's, is named for the god of war, which is meant as a contrast to Rikku's Venus Sigil, named after the goddess of love. This opposite nature symbolizes their vying for Tidus's affections which is reinforced by the fact that they can throw him the ball for Blitz Ace.

Mercury, is the closest planet of the sun, which symbolizes Tidus and Wakka's brotherly bond.

ORRR it could just be that they're all based off of stuff in the solar system, with the two main characters getting the two most prominent features in the solar system as you'd expect them to, and it's a bunch of square pegged horoscope shit to try and seem insightful

So then how does it make sense that Tidus is "Tidus" instead of Tide or Tidal, if his name is supposed to be the same as Cloud and Squall?

And what are these apparently overbearing tide references that can't possibly just be the actual coincidence?

Like, his name isn't even pronounced like Tide, so I'm confused what makes the sun theme the "coincidence."

EDIT: Also, isn't Wakka already "water"

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LeonhartFour posted...

seriously though the only reason it's tee-dus instead of ti-tus is because the narrator for the original English trailer went with it and so Square went with it too, so if he had gone the other way, it would've been ti-tus

This is honestly what I think the answer is for the record

My point is you can't really take a wikipedia entry as gospel. History is malleable, and the victors write the history, so Square will endorse whatever makes things most consistent. Like yes there is a relationship between the Japanese words, but there are relationships between all sorts of words in the game. Some of them have to be coincidental like will happen when you theme item drops.

If you're claiming Tidus has no basis to be related to the tides you're just playing dumb to bolster your point-- and in fact the moon influences the tides so I mean, that contrast is still there either way. Really I would argue it's actually a stronger analog to their relationship too as I would not call Tidus and Yuna "opposites" in how they interact!

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Lopen posted...

as I would not call Tidus and Yuna "opposites" in how they interact!

...Wait, what.

Tidus and Yuna are very meant to be a yin and yang kind of deal in their personalities.

And I'm not taking a wikipedia entry as gospel. I'm just saying it makes a lot more sense than your logic, since your logic doesn't even truly follow its own internal logic ("Tidus" =/= Cloud/Squall)

Also, for what it's worth, "Auron" coming from "Aurora," who was a Roman goddess who announces the arrival of the sun is also pretty fitting for Tidus being "Sun."

I'm not saying take wikipedia as gospel at all. I'm just saying I don't see how you can definitively say the "sun" idea has to be the coincidence when Tidus is quite literally represented by a sun sigil and it thematically fits with other names.

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In Japanese, it doesn't have that connection. As far as I know, no one in Square has claimed that was a factor in his name. It's a convenient coincidence.

And Tidus affects Yuna way more than the reverse, so that analogy doesn't even work!

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Like, we even have an example of a character being named like Cloud/Squall, and they just called her Lightning. They didn't call her like, Lightonia.

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And it doesn't change anything about his name origins regardless of how you pronounce it.

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I'm not saying it has to be coincidence at all.

I'm saying themes exist in the items and words and you can find consistencies and inconsistencies in all sorts of routes. That doesn't mean they're all intended-- it means that people can claim they're intended because of what the canon ended up being for reasons possibly unrelated to intent. Like for all the hubub about his name not being "tides" his name isn't actually "tida" either, it's just close.

It's certainly possible that Tidus was an experiment in making something that sounds more like an actual name than previous protagonists, but still is subtly based off an English word.

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