Board 8 > Do you support the idea of free college?

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most of you want most student loan debt to be forgiven? iirc that's what warren wants, i think sanders wants it too, doesn't he?

Lol college

ertyu0078 posted...

Lol college

why do you say that?

Id like better vocational training and make that free, but theres too heavy an emphasis on college degrees. Were it not for my masters degree, my college education would have been practically worthless. You can get at least a few years out of a trade, and figure out what you want to do if youre not interested.

100%. I think its important people get a well rounded education, and not just learn things for work.

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In honor of Kobe in an Air Jordan topic.

College ain't necessary to succeed.

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Free college works if you offer only useful programs/degrees. If you want to fuck around with a Philosophy major, do it on your own dime. You should also have to pay if you fail it, for wasting everyone's time and taxpayer dollars.

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Student loans being such a burden is in part because people make really stupid decisions in college... I'd rather not pay for that...

Things like universal healthcare and a universal basic income would make college more reachable for everyone, but would still force you to have skin in the game.

I think forcing schools, particularly state ones to tighten up and lower costs would be a great step. Force them to lose their non profit status of they aren't operating like one, and force them to lose their accreditation if that doesn't work. We can't continue to give money to badly run institutions that aren't putting students long term financial success first.

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imthestuntman posted...

Student loans being such a burden is in part because people make really stupid decisions in college... I'd rather not pay for that...

they make really stupid decisions in college? like what?

AirJordan2345 posted...

they make really stupid decisions in college? like what?

Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MBA in art and then becoming a fry cook. Sorry, that's not something that is bettering society by the government paying for it. Giving money to students getting degrees to get a job to better society sounds like a better force for good and theoretically would make each dollar go much farther.

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If you were playing a country like a 4x game, you'd want your population as well trained and educated as possible

Encourages everything- science, industry and culture

I'm not about forgiving the debt, but I think going forward state schools could be free. Community, vocational, or otherwise

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That's big "FUCK NO" from me.

Yes but only for degrees like philosophy and art.

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Yes but only for influencers who have a proven ability to spread ideas (e.g. 100K+ IG followers), thus massively multiplying the educational reach of 1 class, actually for free (unlike "free" college)

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I was smart enough to not spend $200k on college. Why should I have to bail out the people who did?

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I mean, it's free where I live.

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Yes.

Society as a whole is richer when people get educated because they produce higher level technology so the country's GDP increases. It's not spending it's investment. Granted you could have some of that spending be directed to technical courses since those are also needed, but no need to eliminage college education.

And the complaint about people taking human science courses falls flat becaise those tend to be the cheapest anyway. The rral expensive courses are related to health and engineering, for example, and those are the ones a country needs most. If funding those is necessary you can increase spending a bit and fund the cheap ones too.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

And the complaint about people taking human science courses falls flat becaise those tend to be the cheapest anyway. The rral expensive courses are related to health and engineering, for example, and those are the ones a country needs most. If funding those is necessary you can increase spending a bit and fund the cheap ones too.

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In the US at least tuition is typically the same amount regardless of your major in undergrad.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

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In the US at least tuition is typically the same amount regardless of your major in undergrad.

Then they are taking a bigger profit from it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If by free you mean having absurd tax rates since it isnt actually free, then sure.

As long as the ones being taxed the most are the richest, it's worth it.

My favorite part of this topic is seeing the opinions of those who bought into the lies that boomers love to spout. College is expensive because young people are dumb, not because of systemic problems, duh.

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Peace___Frog posted...

My favorite part of this topic is seeing the opinions of those who bought into the lies that boomers love to spout. College is expensive because young people are dumb, not because of systemic problems, duh.

it's expensive cause young people are dumb? how so?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If by free you mean having absurd tax rates since it isnt actually free, then sure.

Well, isn't that implied when discussing free education

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I'm being facetious and parroting the remarks of others in the topic. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of those going to college, and everything to do with the pillaging of the students and their families.

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No way. Nothing is deserved. You want something,
you have to earn it.

Moonroof posted...

No way. Nothing is deserved. You want something,
you have to earn it.

Oh cool, so we can raise the estate tax to 100% Nice to know.

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People are given too much. Needs to stop.

Moonroof posted...

People are given too much. Needs to stop.

very true, rich peoples parents give them way too much money, especially in regards to college. its very unfair to everyone else. something should be done to equalize that.

I agree, if we're going to pretend to be a meritocracy then the people with rich parents should have the exact same starting position as people with poor parents. The successes of your ancestors have no bearing on your own personal ability!

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Absolutely, so long as there are very clearly-defined goals that must needs be met in order to continually qualify.

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lol he deleted his comments

If College becomes free, it'll have a short moment where it's beneficial, then it'll just become a baseline part of the schooling system.

Then something new will come into its place.
It'll just be a baseline shift.

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I don't understand why Americans don't have free education for everything though.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Oh cool, so we can raise the estate tax to 100% Nice to know.

no shit, great post. I see he hasn't responded to your post

Nothing should be free. I see there are a lot of free loaders here.

All you have to do is make a lot of money and then you dont have to worry about taxes. You all are very ignorant.

Airship_Canon posted...

If College becomes free, it'll have a short moment where it's beneficial, then it'll just become a baseline part of the schooling system.

Then something new will come into its place.
It'll just be a baseline shift.

It's already kind of a baseline requirement for working anything middle class. People are reaching that baseline and often not making the kind of money they need to pay off the debt.

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Can you imagine if College became like public High School? Which essentially is what would happen down the line if it became free.

If College was anything like my High School, nobody will be learning anything. And I went to one of the better schools in the city.

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Moonroof posted...

Nothing should be free. I see there are a lot of free loaders here.

All you have to do is make a lot of money and then you dont have to worry about taxes. You all are very ignorant.

sounds great, a 90% progressive income tax on the highest bracket and a 100% estate tax (as previously mentioned). A perfect meritocracy. If you make enough money, you dont even have to worry about those taxes because theyre inconsequential to your quality of life.

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

Can you imagine if College became like public High School? Which essentially is what would happen down the line if it became free.

If College was anything like my High School, nobody will be learning anything. And I went to one of the better schools in the city.

its completely different because you have to apply to college and get in via merit (although that is not always the case); you dont apply to most public high schools. And there are already plenty of rich kids going to college on their parents money who dont give a shit or take it seriously whatsoever. Just because a system is going to be abused (in this case, used but not taken seriously) by like, 5% of the population; thats not a good argument to claim the other 95% of people who it benefits dont deserve it.

Moonroof posted...

Having a lot of money is not difficult. I inherited well over $100,000 when I was 23 and I didnt even try. Imagine if I did?

Besides my own personal examples, a friend of mine won over $10 million in a state lotto. He doesnt even have an education. That means he has more money than people who have their PhD.

Ah, youre just poorly executed satire. I see.

Hannyabal posted...

Ah, youre just poorly executed satire. I see.

Pretty great satire considering Ulti has almost literally said that entire post, just with the sources of the money changed to slipping on peepee at the Mega-Lo-Mart

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Haha you said peepee

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Its very disheartening when I try having cogent debates but am accused of being facetious. Anyway, back on topic, there should be only one college and it should be free. The Salvation Army University, where you get free handouts. Nobody has an issue with the Salvation Army and its time the people start getting what they deserve: everything, for nothing.

Furthermore, before we can even have the discussion on why education should be free, we need to take a step back. Food, clothing, and shelter the necessities for humans to live should also be free. They are significantly more integral to life than education, but of course very important in its own right.

The salvation army is trash btw

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Peace___Frog posted...

The salvation army is trash btw

And who do you suggest sending money to instead? You?

Adelaide's Lament

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rakaputra_fromindonesia-san

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I just like making nonsensical musical referencical.
Except that it was Sarah Brown who was in the Save-a-Soul mission and it might or might not be related to the salvation army...I mean, they have similar theme naming.

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