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Metabolism is utter bullshit

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It can have an impact but at the end of the day it's going to mostly come down to amount of calories consumed vs amount of calories used.

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Cant blame calories becuase that's something within most people's control. But metabolism is another story.

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Because really skinny people usually say they don't exercise and they eat whatever they want and they just can't even gain weight if they wanted to. It's because they have a really good metabolism.

Metabolism is only good for + or - maybe 200 calories. Bigger people eat way more on average than you know and smaller people eat way less on average. If you have either issue and count calories every day for a month (or even a week) you'll see.

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if it was bullshit i'd be super fat

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Choco posted...

if it was bullshit i'd be super fat

Same here.

My metabolism can't break down 3 fast food meals like it did when I was 17, it's all my metabolism's fault :(

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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Choco posted...

if it was bullshit i'd be super fat

Same here.

You don't eat as much as you think you do
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skinny people who don't work out aren't eating as much as they think they are

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From my experience, skinny people with a great metabolism only eat one really large meal a day or something so they really don't eat *as much as they want*

I'm sure this isn't the case for *everyone* but it's been the case for everyone I know who says this and are skinny

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Weight is really fucking simple.

Energy in - energy out = weight.

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You guys are right. I eat a lot of snacks but I only eat one large meal a day lol. I have a sensitive stomach tho. I work around the discomfort so I'm a different case.

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It's almost like there's science behind it.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You guys are right. I eat a lot of snacks but I only eat one large meal a day lol. I have a sensitive stomach tho. I work around the discomfort so I'm a different case.

right, and fat people eat several just as large meals a day + snacks

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ThyCorndog posted...

right, and fat people eat several just as large meals a day + snacks

I'm with you. I dunno why skinny people are in denial. I guess like some big people, they just are trying to find away to avoid responsibility. Sensitive stomach sucks so much ass tho.

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Your weight is a side effect of whether or not your body is healthy. If your body is underweight, you aren't getting enough energy and nutrition to keep up the demand. If your body is overweight, you are eating too much food that lacks nutrition, which causes your metabolism to slow down, your hormones become unbalanced and create inflammation, your stomach pH becomes more alkaline, your cells reject nutrients, and you store water and fat because your body cannot utilize it anywhere else, so it packs it away for use "later", like a fridge.

Metabolism all boils down to basically these things:

• The calories you consume each day
• The type of calories you consume (sedentary people should not eat excess carbohydrates, that creates insulin resistance and a plethora of metabolic diseases overtime, and your body converts the unused carbohydrate energy into adipose tissue)
• Your activity level (more activity burns more calories)
• The type of activities you do (aerobic vs anaerobic)
• Your lean body mass (muscle requires more energy to maintain than fat, more muscle = more calories needed)
• The amount of vitamins, minerals, trace minerals and phytonutrients you take in (sodium, potassium, magnesium, zinc, vitamin A from meat sources, D from sunlight, K2 from vegetables, etc)
• The pH of your stomach (stomach acid needs to be acidic in order to properly break down and assimilate proteins, vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients from your food, support a healthy GI biome for your gut bacteria, and eliminate unwanted foreign bacterias, viruses and pathogens... an alkaline stomach cannot work properly and leaves you with various issues such as gas, bloating, cramping, brain fog, heartburn, and more)
• The condition of your liver (the liver handles a lot of processing for everything you eat, and can only tolerate a certain threshold of fructose and sugars... any excess will cause the liver to accumulate fat (and cause non-fatty liver disease) and will convert to adipose tissue)
• Hormone balances (high levels of cortisol, insulin, bad estrogens, etc. will cause you to store fat, decreasing those with a proper diet, exercise, and good quality sleep is key)

By fixing these, your metabolism will improve. My metabolism is much higher now that I'm in my mid-20s, I eat a balanced low carb diet, exercise regularly, supplement things like ACV and vitamins/minerals that I don't get enough of from my diet, and I can eat much more than when I was a teenager.

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Why are people always so bent out of shape about fat people?

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heh... out of shape

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emblem boy posted...

You don't eat as much as you think you do

this

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Because it's easier to make excuses than to eat right and exercise regularly.

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Because for whatever reason they dont want to adjust their eating habits to their body's needs. As I grow older my metabolism slows a little but I just dont consume as many calories. I'm fine switching out my morning poptart for a bowl of oatmeal to cover the difference.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Because for whatever reason they dont want to adjust their eating habits to their body's needs. As I grow older my metabolism slows a little but I just dont consume as many calories. I'm fine switching out my morning poptart for a bowl of oatmeal to cover the difference.

when you were younger, you were more active, less likely to stress eat, and no alcohol lol

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I know a girl who is fat and I was actually just shopping with her last week, she bought all these vegetables and fruits. I honestly don't understand why she's fat yet eats all this good food.

until she told me a little later that she tends to go to McDonald's a lot after classes and after work

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

when you were younger, you were more active, less likely to stress eat, and no alcohol lol

Your body naturally slows down a little too. But like I mentioned it's the difference between a poptart and oatmeal. It's fairly negligible but if you dont address it, it adds up. You'll gain a good pound or so a year.

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pojr posted...

I know a girl who is fat and I was actually just shopping with her last week, she bought all these vegetables and fruits. I honestly don't understand why she's fat yet eats all this good food.

until she told me a little later that she tends to go to McDonald's a lot after classes and after work

yeah they stunt and binge eat when nobody is looking

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Honestly I think metabolism matters more than y'all are making it out to be. I know a lot of people that have the same diet, some are fat and some are thin. It's almost completely based on genetics

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I mean I posted facts earlier but no one seems to understand or care that weight and metabolism are side-effects of your general health and diet. And yeah, genetics (mostly epigenetics) plays a small role because everyone has different predispositions to certain things (genes can affect intolerances to foods, inabilities to create certain enzymes, etc) but there are things that can alter your genes over the course of your life. Diet, exercise, age, stress, sleep, and more.

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I have always ate like shit my entire life. When I was younger though I was perpetually skinny no matter what I ate. Now I am not. Metabolism is a thing and it slows down

JBaLLEN66 posted...

Metabolism is utter bullshit

Because they don't know that they can increase their metabolism by exercising and would rather say their metabolism is shit because they don't want to exercise to increase it. Done.
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I've had a fast metabolism all my life in my experience I could eat whatever I want and not gain much weight or fat. In my mind to late 20's i did change my diet to a high calorie one in addition to the gym and gained a good amount of weight but I lost it all the moment I stopped granted that took a few months.

Genetics play a big part in how your body metabolizes fat and calories saying it's a 100% your diet that determines your bodies composition is BS.

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Basal metabolic rate is not the same from person to person and certainly not the same as a person ages. This is what is meant when people blame metabolism on weight gain. This is settled science, and anyone who claims differently is no better than a Flat Earther or an anti-vaxxer.
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Villain posted...

It can have an impact but at the end of the day it's going to mostly come down to amount of calories consumed vs amount of calories used.

Umm it's literally 100% calories in vs calories out

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't metabolism factor heavily in the calories out part of the whole "calories in vs calories out" statement

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Paragon21XX posted...

Basal metabolic rate is not the same from person to person and certainly not the same as a person ages. This is what is meant when people blame metabolism on weight gain. This is settled science, and anyone who claims differently is no better than a Flat Earther or an anti-vaxxer.

This. BMR and weight are side effects of the body's general health. Age is one of the biggest factors, but diet plays a large role and when neglected or mistreated, can cause your body to actually age quicker than normal. The body has to allocate resources to functions that it needs to survive in the short-term, by using resources meant to be used for longevity.

linid0t posted...

Umm it's literally 100% calories in vs calories out

Absolutely not, it is not that simple. 70 calories from half an apple is not the same as 70 calories from an egg.

Xenozoa425 posted...

Your weight is a side effect of whether or not your body is healthy. If your body is underweight, you aren't getting enough energy and nutrition to keep up the demand. If your body is overweight, you are eating too much food that lacks nutrition, which causes your metabolism to slow down, your hormones become unbalanced and create inflammation, your stomach pH becomes more alkaline, your cells reject nutrients, and you store water and fat because your body cannot utilize it anywhere else, so it packs it away for use "later", like a fridge.

Metabolism all boils down to basically these things:

* The calories you consume each day
* The type of calories you consume (sedentary people should not eat excess carbohydrates, that creates insulin resistance and a plethora of metabolic diseases overtime, and your body converts the unused carbohydrate energy into adipose tissue)
* Your activity level (more activity burns more calories)
* The type of activities you do (aerobic vs anaerobic)
* Your lean body mass (muscle requires more energy to maintain than fat, more muscle = more calories needed)
* The amount of vitamins, minerals, trace minerals and phytonutrients you take in (sodium, potassium, magnesium, zinc, vitamin A from meat sources, D from sunlight, K2 from vegetables, etc)
* The pH of your stomach (stomach acid needs to be acidic in order to properly break down and assimilate proteins, vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients from your food, support a healthy GI biome for your gut bacteria, and eliminate unwanted foreign bacterias, viruses and pathogens... an alkaline stomach cannot work properly and leaves you with various issues such as gas, bloating, cramping, brain fog, heartburn, and more)
* The condition of your liver (the liver handles a lot of processing for everything you eat, and can only tolerate a certain threshold of fructose and sugars... any excess will cause the liver to accumulate fat (and cause non-fatty liver disease) and will convert to adipose tissue)
* Hormone balances (high levels of cortisol, insulin, bad estrogens, etc. will cause you to store fat, decreasing those with a proper diet, exercise, and good quality sleep is key)
By fixing these, your metabolism will improve. My metabolism is much higher now that I'm in my mid-20s, I eat a balanced low carb diet, exercise regularly, supplement things like ACV and vitamins/minerals that I don't get enough of from my diet, and I can eat much more than when I was a teenager.

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People are really good at inaccurately reporting how much they move and how much they eat, so it makes it look like the BMR differences are greater than they are and that muh tabolism matters more than it does. That's not to say that it's inconsequential but it generally doesn't matter so much that otherwise healthy people "can't" lose or gain weight.


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Absolutely not, it is not that simple. 70 calories from half an apple is not the same as 70 calories from an egg

if you're a bodybuilder looking to cut/bulk or if you're diabetic or something then fair enough.

If you're a fatty who needs to lose weight then CICO is 99.9% of your problem.

I've read countless papers that studied how much a low metabolism vs high metabolism person burns calories when resting and if both people rested for 24 hours straight and were roughly the same age/sex/weight/fat vs muscle- the calorie differential for the entire day was less than 100

So how can we have a 400lb man blame it on metabolism. EAT LESS. fucking MOVE your body

linid0t posted...

Absolutely not, it is not that simple. 70 calories from half an apple is not the same as 70 calories from an egg

if you're a bodybuilder looking to cut/bulk or if you're diabetic or something then fair enough.

If you're a fatty who needs to lose weight then CICO is 99.9% of your problem.

I've read countless papers that studied how much a low metabolism vs high metabolism person burns calories when resting and if both people rested for 24 hours straight and were roughly the same age/sex/weight/fat vs muscle- the calorie differential for the entire day was less than 100

So how can we have a 400lb man blame it on metabolism. EAT LESS. fucking MOVE your body

Yes CICO matters, but the TYPE of calories consumed matters too. Fat and protein are more satiating than carbs, they create less of an insulin response, and the body can actually utilize fat and protein for energy and repair. Carbs are only used for quick energy, if you eat too many carbs and don't exercise, they add to your waistline. That is why low-carb and ketogenic diets are very powerful for weight loss, because your body learns to tap into its fat reserves for energy, instead of relying on glucose energy from carbs.

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linid0t posted...

I've read countless papers

[X] Doubt.

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@Xenozoa425 what's your opinion about huel?

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pojr posted...

@Xenozoa425 what's your opinion about huel?

I never heard about it until today, but I looked around at it and it seems like a fairly solid and convenient, albeit expensive method of portioning your macros. I saw they are vegan focused, their powders contain all the essentials amino acids, fatty acids, and nutrients, but not having any meats or dairy products will turn some people off. Not to mention that meat/seafood/dairy/egg food sources yield a higher degree of certain nutrients that plants alone cannot provide. Vitamin A for example, is important for vision, cellular function and autoimmune support. Some people genetically cannot convert beta carotene from plants into Vitamin A, while meat sources (fish is a great example) already have the converted form of Vitamin A that the body can readily use.

It basically depends on whether or not you are willing to spend that much money on a meal plan, versus spending less money on single ingredient foods and more time researching what macronutrient profile you need, cooking, reading labels, etc.

$99 for 28 meals of Huel (that lasts a month) VS what I use personally... $25 for 25 servings of hemp, pumpkin seed and milk thistle seed powder, $25 for 46 servings of bovine collagen peptides, and $30 for 50 servings of MCT oil powder. That will be saving me $20-$30 a month.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

I never heard about it until today, but I looked around at it and it seems like a fairly solid and convenient, albeit expensive method of portioning your macros. I saw they are vegan focused, their powders contain all the essentials amino acids, fatty acids, and nutrients, but not having any meats or dairy products will turn some people off. Not to mention that meat/seafood/dairy/egg food sources yield a higher degree of certain nutrients that plants alone cannot provide. Vitamin A for example, is important for vision, cellular function and autoimmune support. Some people genetically cannot convert beta carotene from plants into Vitamin A, while meat sources (fish is a great example) already have the converted form of Vitamin A that the body can readily use.

It basically depends on whether or not you are willing to spend that much money on a meal plan, versus spending less money on single ingredient foods and more time researching what macronutrient profile you need, cooking, reading labels, etc.

$99 for 28 meals of Huel (that lasts a month) VS what I use personally... $25 for 25 servings of hemp, pumpkin seed and milk thistle seed powder, $25 for 46 servings of bovine collagen peptides, and $30 for 50 servings of MCT oil powder. That will be saving me $20-$30 a month.

you ever get hungry before your meal time happens? what do you do if that happens?

do you ever eat your meal and you dont believe its satisfying enough? do you ever want seconds? do you go for seconds?

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My dad should be fat as fuck he isnt though dude eats like a fucking truck and is only 120 lbs. He doesnt exercise hes a lazy dick who sits on his computer all day. If I lived like him i would be 300 lbs.

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pojr posted...

you ever get hungry before your meal time happens? what do you do if that happens?

do you ever eat your meal and you dont believe its satisfying enough? do you ever want seconds? do you go for seconds?

I usually ride my hunger out. I normally don't eat snacks, but I'm lately finding that a small pre-workout meal helps me perform better at the gym. Cottage cheese with berries, or a rice cake with peanut butter. On my non-workout days, I normally don't eat breakfast and will wait until lunch to eat. I may get a bit hungry feeling, but it's never as extreme as it used to be when I was overweight. If I didn't eat breakfast before I'd be moody, slow, fatigued, etc.

I generally portion out everything, so I am usually satisfied with my meals. Neither hungry for more, nor disgustingly full and bloated. I usually don't go for seconds, but sometimes I'll make a low-carb desert at home that has some extra protein and fat, just to help satiate me a bit more, and the satiating feeling will last until the next meal tomorrow. Sometimes I can fast foe 24-48 hours with no hunger. It doesn't really matter what I eat. One day might be pasta and shrimp for dinner, the next might be fast food. I eat enough to maintain my weight, but I can easily increase or decrease my macros to cut or bulk.

Lately I move between doing one month of keto and one month of carb cycling, or changing my carb count every day to help mobilize fat. I find that it's very helpful and therapeutic for balancing your hormones, controlling hunger, allowing you to burn fat and build muscle at the same time, and more.

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I eat way more calories than my little brother does, but he has always been fatter than me. We both get similar amounts of exercise.

miki_sauvester posted...

I eat way more calories than my little brother does, but he has always been fatter than me. We both get similar amounts of exercise.

Are you both the same height and eating the same foods?

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Barber102 posted...

My dad should be fat as fuck he isnt though dude eats like a fucking truck and is only 120 lbs. He doesnt exercise hes a lazy dick who sits on his computer all day. If I lived like him i would be 300 lbs.

anecdotal

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miki_sauvester posted...

I eat way more calories than my little brother does, but he has always been fatter than me. We both get similar amounts of exercise.

are you around your brother 247

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Xenozoa425 posted...

I usually ride my hunger out. I normally don't eat snacks, but I'm lately finding that a small pre-workout meal helps me perform better at the gym. Cottage cheese with berries, or a rice cake with peanut butter. On my non-workout days, I normally don't eat breakfast and will wait until lunch to eat. I may get a bit hungry feeling, but it's never as extreme as it used to be when I was overweight. If I didn't eat breakfast before I'd be moody, slow, fatigued, etc.

I generally portion out everything, so I am usually satisfied with my meals. Neither hungry for more, nor disgustingly full and bloated. I usually don't go for seconds, but sometimes I'll make a low-carb desert at home that has some extra protein and fat, just to help satiate me a bit more, and the satiating feeling will last until the next meal tomorrow. Sometimes I can fast foe 24-48 hours with no hunger. It doesn't really matter what I eat. One day might be pasta and shrimp for dinner, the next might be fast food. I eat enough to maintain my weight, but I can easily increase or decrease my macros to cut or bulk.

Lately I move between doing one month of keto and one month of carb cycling, or changing my carb count every day to help mobilize fat. I find that it's very helpful and therapeutic for balancing your hormones, controlling hunger, allowing you to burn fat and build muscle at the same time, and more.

do you count your calories?

did you study nutrition in in college?

i'll admit a lot of the info you mentioned in your very first post went over my head, especially the stuff about Ph of the stomach. that is on a level that I cannot even comprehend. i always found nutrition to be very confusing and often have difficulties understanding what is really healthy and what isnt. i know there are probably resources on the internet, but for me I never really had a huge interest in it. not making excuses, just explaining why im a fatty lol.

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Everything else listed seems to make sense, but what is that bit about a more alkaline stomach? Are you talking about the amount of hydrochloric acid produced, or what?

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