Current Events > First day at my new job today... Nervous...

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I hope I'll be good enough to stick around for a long while here... I'm about to head out for orientation day. The company says this will be my last first day, which is interesting. Hopefully that's the case.

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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day,

Lulz. I bet they do. Managers always try and make out the company is amazing.


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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day, which is interesting.

they're gonna eat you

Sounds terrible imho

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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day,

Lol OK. Unless they give you a 20% pay bump every 2-3 years, job hopping is still the best way to advance your title and salary in the IT world.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

Lol OK. Unless they give you a 20% pay bump every 2-3 years, job hopping is still the best way to advance your title and salary in the IT world.

where are these jobs

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Fuck managers, fuck companies, fuck the private sector.

Also, fuck the public sector.


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JBaLLEN66 posted...

where are these jobs

In his imagination

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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day, which is interesting.

Lol, dose weirdos
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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day, which is interesting.

Leave before they start doing horror movie cult stuff like offer you free food and hold house parties with the rest of their cultists friends.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

Lol OK. Unless they give you a 20% pay bump every 2-3 years, job hopping is still the best way to advance your title and salary in the IT world.

Yeah, but people at this company's network team have been with the company for 10 - 20 years, so I'm hoping I'll be able to stay at this one place and grow.

I hate changing jobs. And I'm finding out that I hate changing cities to change jobs even more, but... I had to leave my old job one way or another.

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REMercsChamp posted...

In his imagination

JBaLLEN66 posted...

where are these jobs

If you live in a larger city like TC or I do, they are everywhere. In the last 6 years, I've stayed at my jobs an average of 2 years. That's more than enough time to advance your skills and apply to another job. My last job and current job were a 34% and 32% pay bump respectively.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

If you live in a larger city like TC or I do, they are everywhere. In the last 6 years, I've stayed at my jobs an average of 2 years. That's more than enough time to advance your skills and apply to another job. My last job and current job were a 34% and 32% pay bump respectively.

You'll be making $300k a year in no time at this rate, if you aren't already

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REMercsChamp posted...

You'll be making $300k a year in no time at this rate, if you aren't already

I'm a little behind honestly. Between focusing on home improvements for the house I bought and just being lazy, I haven't done as much self studying this year as I would have liked. I'm still looking to hit mid $100k within the next 3 years.

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CableZL posted...

The company says this will be my last first day

it's a trap!

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

If you live in a larger city like TC or I do, they are everywhere. In the last 6 years, I've stayed at my jobs an average of 2 years. That's more than enough time to advance your skills and apply to another job. My last job and current job were a 34% and 32% pay bump respectively.

Let me ask you, I've been working in IT for just over a year for a pretty small salary managing around 50 remote users. As its my first professional IT job would you still try to job hunt after 2 years or stick it out for 3 or 4 to build experience?

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

If you live in a larger city like TC or I do, they are everywhere. In the last 6 years, I've stayed at my jobs an average of 2 years. That's more than enough time to advance your skills and apply to another job. My last job and current job were a 34% and 32% pay bump respectively.

my city boasts about its soaring population and growth and I just turned down a finance job that required 5 years of experience because they wanted to pay a college grads salary downtown

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Redwarz posted...

Let me ask you, I've been working in IT for just over a year for a pretty small salary managing around 50 remote users. As its my first professional IT job would you still try to job hunt after 2 years or stick it out for 3 or 4 to build experience?

Well do you feel like you're still learning a lot in your current role or do you feel you've learned all you could learn in your current role? I generally start updating my resume on the jobs sites and applying for things once I start getting bored with a job.

I'll also say this which sorta contradicts my last paragraph. Even if you're still learning stuff at your current job, the job posted on LinkedIn today won't be there next year when you're bored of your current job. No harm in constantly applying for jobs so cast that wide net. Worse case, they won't call you cause you don't have the experience they are looking for. Best case, you prove to them that you are able to grow into the role and you get a better job earlier than you expected.

JBaLLEN66 posted...

my city boasts about its soaring population and growth and I just turned down a finance job that required 5 years of experience because they wanted to pay a college grads salary downtown

Yeah I run into that issue occasionally as well. I'm in Richmond so not a very large city but a decent mid sized city. I get recruiters calling me offering these senior roles that pay slightly better than a junior role. Nah, I know what role should pay in this city. Also you're in the Finance field which I don't know much about. I'm talking about IT cause that's what TC is in. Networking to be specific.

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CableZL posted...

Yeah, but people at this company's network team have been with the company for 10 - 20 years, so I'm hoping I'll be able to stay at this one place and grow.

I hate changing jobs. And I'm finding out that I hate changing cities to change jobs even more, but... I had to leave my old job one way or another.

Oh changing cities for jobs sound awful. I wouldn't do that personally. I'm glad it worked out for you though.

Well hopefully there's room for advancement within that company. None of my jobs have had advancement ability unless someone above you left the company. That's why I found myself in the job hopping habit. I'm not going to wait around 10 years for the senior sys admin or whatever to retire so I can take over his job and get a $5k pay bump.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

Oh changing cities for jobs sound awful. I wouldn't do that personally. I'm glad it worked out for you though.

Well hopefully there's room for advancement within that company. None of my jobs have had advancement ability unless someone above you left the company. That's why I found myself in the job hopping habit. I'm not going to wait around 10 years for the senior sys admin or whatever to retire so I can take over his job and get a $5k pay bump.

how am I suppose to change cities for a job when theyll trash my resume when they figure out I live out of state?

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Kaiganeer posted...

they're gonna eat you

Nah thats me.

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Error1355 posted...

it's a trap!

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While switching jobs sounds good, staying with a company has it a benefits, as well. Like seniority and trust. Moving to another job just because its a little more sounds good. But if something happens and they cant keep you, you have to find another job. And there may be other people with more experience, or doing the same job hopping. Not to mention, some places like hiring someone they know will stay. Job hopping every couple of years will look bad to some companies. Going back to your old company would suck. The pay may be lower, and you start on the bottom of the totem pole again. And you lost all you trust with them. They both have their advantages and disadvantages...
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

how am I suppose to change cities for a job when theyll trash my resume when they figure out I live out of state?

Uh Idk man. I was just telling TC it sounds hard to do that. I've applied for jobs in NC before at one point and never heard back from them. Guess you just need to keep applying until you hit an employer that is willing to hiring someone relocating.

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Best of luck with the orientation and new job!

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LinkPizza posted...

While switching jobs sounds good, staying with a company has it a benefits, as well. Like seniority and trust. Moving to another job just because its a little more sounds good. But if something happens and they cant keep you, you have to find another job. And there may be other people with more experience, or doing the same job hopping. Not to mention, some places like hiring someone they know will stay. Job hopping every couple of years will look bad to some companies. Going back to your old company would suck. The pay may be lower, and you start on the bottom of the totem pole again. And you lost all you trust with them. They both have their advantages and disadvantages...

Yeah there's pros and cons. It really depends on where you live. Back in my hometown, people would see less than 5 years at a job kinda odd. In Richmond, no one bats an eye as long as you hit the 2 year mark at a job.

Not really following you on the if they can't keep you. I mean any company can downsize your job at any time. I guess you're saying being there longer might keep them from putting you on the chopping block first?

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been with my work for 15 years now.

i was the 2nd employee ever.

i get mad perks

if we ever go public i'm getting PAID
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BlazinBlue88 posted...

Not really following you on the if they can't keep you. I mean any company can downsize your job at any time. I guess you're saying being there longer might keep them from putting you on the chopping block first?

Being first on the chopping block goes with the seniority point I was making. But retainability is also something employers look for. Depending on the job, training someone can cost a lot. Or hiring a new person. Some jobs want to hire someone who theyll have on the team for a long time. So, they wont hire someone who works for a couple of years at every job theyve had. A lot of place still will. But some really good places try to avoid that...
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And as of yesterday, I'm no longer answering calls from the old job. Gotta focus on issues at my current job and use all of my time for me and my career growth here.

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LinkPizza posted...

While switching jobs sounds good, staying with a company has it a benefits, as well. Like seniority and trust. Moving to another job just because its a little more sounds good. But if something happens and they cant keep you, you have to find another job. And there may be other people with more experience, or doing the same job hopping. Not to mention, some places like hiring someone they know will stay. Job hopping every couple of years will look bad to some companies. Going back to your old company would suck. The pay may be lower, and you start on the bottom of the totem pole again. And you lost all you trust with them. They both have their advantages and disadvantages...

but you can get easily trapped like in my position . Im overpaid for my position so leaving companies is much harder and I know when my bonuses will hit so my vacations are already planned.

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CableZL posted...

And as of yesterday, I'm no longer answering calls from the old job. Gotta focus on issues at my current job and use all of my time for me and my career growth here.

wait, the old job was still calling you?

xD

its like they dont know how employment works...
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

but you can get easily trapped like in my position . Im overpaid for my position so leaving companies is much harder and I know when my bonuses will hit so my vacations are already planned.

That sounds great, tbh. Being overpaid for you position. Leaving is usually not going to be beneficial. If youre being overpaid, then other places would probably pay you less. The other guys was saying the major pro of leaving was finding a job that paid more.

The jobs you dont want to be stuck at are ones that pay you less, with no room for advancement. Those are fine as part-time jobs. But not career ones...
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LinkPizza posted...

That sounds great, tbh. Being overpaid for you position. Leaving is usually not going to be beneficial. If youre being overpaid, then other places would probably pay you less. The other guys was saying the major pro of leaving was finding a job that paid more.

The jobs you dont want to be stuck at are ones that pay you less, with no room for advancement. Those are fine as part-time jobs. But not career ones...

but are you trying to do the same job for the rest of your life?

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

but are you trying to do the same job for the rest of your life?

Sure. If the pay is great. Id rather do the same job everyday getting a good amount of money, and being set up for retirement (which I think is easier when staying at but he same job), then switching every couple of years. I hate getting new jobs. And not knowing if Ill be getting the same amount of money, or more, or less. And not knowing when Ill find a job, or when Ill start. Working the same job, or for the same company, isnt always bad. Getting overpaid is a good reason to stay somewhere...
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LinkPizza posted...

Sure. If the pay is great. Id rather do the same job everyday getting a good amount of money, and being set up for retirement (which I think is easier when staying at but he same job), then switching every couple of years. I hate getting new jobs. And not knowing if Ill be getting the same amount of money, or more, or less. And not knowing when Ill find a job, or when Ill start. Working the same job, or for the same company, isnt always bad. Getting overpaid is a good reason to stay somewhere...

You're not thinking of the negative situation he's probably describing. Say you are working a helpdesk level 1 job and getting paid more than a helpdesk level 2 position. You have a career goal of getting up to helpdesk level 3 but in order for that to happen, you have to work as a level 2. You'd have to move to the level 2 position for the experience and take a pay cut before you could move on to level 3.

In that scenario, you'd be stuck unless you wanted a pay cut.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Sounds like a cult to call it your last first day ever.

They are planning on murdering him.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

You're not thinking of the negative situation he's probably describing. Say you are working a helpdesk level 1 job and getting paid more than a helpdesk level 2 position. You have a career goal of getting up to helpdesk level 3 but in order for that to happen, you have to work as a level 2. You'd have to move to the level 2 position for the experience and take a pay cut before you could move on to level 3.

In that scenario, you'd be stuck unless you wanted a pay cut.

And Id be fine with that, as the money is good. If helpdesk 3 pays more, than a small pay cut is acceptable, if its the same company. If were talking about having to switch company, Id just stay with the first. If were talking about moving up in the same company, then the pay cut is fine until I get the helpdesk 3 job. As long as I know I can get it and it pays more than what Im being paid for helpdesk 1. But if helpdesk 3 pays less than helpdesk 1, Id stay with helpdesk 1. Because why take a huge pay cut for no reason?
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LinkPizza posted...

Being first on the chopping block goes with the seniority point I was making. But retainability is also something employers look for. Depending on the job, training someone can cost a lot. Or hiring a new person. Some jobs want to hire someone who theyll have on the team for a long time. So, they wont hire someone who works for a couple of years at every job theyve had. A lot of place still will. But some really good places try to avoid that...

And that's fine. Like I said, I just keep applying for better jobs and if someone doesn't have a problem with my work history, they'll call. Otherwise they won't. If no one calls then I continue to work my current job as always racking up years of working there until someone calls.

There's no real downside to job hunting a couple times a year. If anything it also helps you see what companies are looking for in terms of skills so you can stay marketable.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

And that's fine. Like I said, I just keep applying for better jobs and if someone doesn't have a problem with my work history, they'll call. Otherwise they won't. If no one calls then I continue to work my current job as always racking up years of working there until someone calls.

There's no real downside to job hunting a couple times a year. If anything it also helps you see what companies are looking for in terms of skills so you can stay marketable.

Well, the downside is possibly being fired if your current job finds out. They may start looking for a replacement who will stay. So, there is that downside. Me personally, I work jobs so I can live. So, I wont leave a job just because Im bored. Work doesnt need to be fun and new all the time. Nor do I want the stress of finding a new place of employment, and learning everything from the ground up. If you can find a job that pays more, thats awesome. But not common for most people. Especially with a work history where people cant trust you to stay. Im honestly surprised at you being able to do what youre doing, big city or not.

Also, even for more money, I wouldnt leave unless they had much better pay and better benefits... Because of the seniority and stuff...
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LinkPizza posted...

And Id be fine with that, as the money is good. If helpdesk 3 pays more, than a small pay cut is acceptable, if its the same company. If were talking about having to switch company, Id just stay with the first. If were talking about moving up in the same company, then the pay cut is fine until I get the helpdesk 3 job. As long as I know I can get it and it pays more than what Im being paid for helpdesk 1. But if helpdesk 3 pays less than helpdesk 1, Id stay with helpdesk 1. Because why take a huge pay cut for no reason?

Oh I was talking about helpdesk 3 paying more at the end of it. It's just needing to suffer with the helpdesk 2 pay cut for a while.

A more relevant example. I've nearly peaked in my particular career track managing Windows servers and virtual hardware. Looking to shift into Cloud technologies but that may mean dropping down a few pegs and working my way up in that area because I lack Linux work experience. I'm attempting to move into Cloud tech because it pays much much more than my current career track.

So yeah I may need to take a pay cut in order to move to another field of IT that would pay much more than my current one.

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Well you can't spell Culture without Cult

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LinkPizza posted...

Well, the downside is possibly being fired if your current job finds out. They may start looking for a replacement who will stay. So, there is that downside. Me personally, I work jobs so I can live. So, I wont leave a job just because Im bored. Work doesnt need to be fun and new all the time. Nor do I want the stress of finding a new place of employment, and learning everything from the ground up. If you can find a job that pays more, thats awesome. But not common for most people. Especially with a work history where people cant trust you to stay. Im honestly surprised at you being able to do what youre doing, big city or not.

I like getting into a new job and learning how a new company sets up their infrastructure. I also like the challenge. Honestly once I get to a certain salary level, I'll probably just coast until retirement.

Yeah I kinda am too but that just seems to be the general atmosphere in my city. I have a friend in the networking field like TC. He started his career about 7 years ago getting paid like $45k. He keeps getting networking certs and job hopping every 1-2 years which is crazy to me. Now he's making about $150k.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

Oh I was talking about helpdesk 3 paying more at the end of it. It's just needing to suffer with the helpdesk 2 pay cut for a while.

A more relevant example. I've nearly peaked in my particular career track managing Windows servers and virtual hardware. Looking to shift into Cloud technologies but that may mean dropping down a few pegs and working my way up in that area because I lack Linux work experience. I'm attempting to move into Cloud tech because it pays much much more than my current career track.

So yeah I may need to take a pay cut in order to move to another field of IT that would pay much more than my current one.

Sure. The pay cut could be beneficial. As long as it doesnt hurt your life. Like, I wouldnt rake the cut if Id be struggling or would need to take out a loan to live. But if it was a small enough that is wasnt that noticeable, or it would bother me, Id be fine.

BlazinBlue88 posted...

I like getting into a new job and learning how a new company sets up their infrastructure. I also like the challenge. Honestly once I get to a certain salary level, I'll probably just coast until retirement.

Yeah I kinda am too but that just seems to be the general atmosphere in my city. I have a friend in the networking field like TC. He started his career about 7 years ago getting paid like $45k. He keeps getting networking certs and job hopping every 1-2 years which is crazy to me. Now he's making about $150k.

I dont like challenging my life. That sounds stressful. Id rather be safe while making good money.

And the job hopping can work for some. But not for most. And things will change if too many people start doing it. And there are many good jobs that will keep increasing pay. Id be wary of jobs that hire people who cant stay at a job long, and dont mind paying more. Because those seem like they might fire you before you get the chance to leave after doing it too much.

But like I said (I edited), it would need to be a very be pay upgrade and much better benefits for me to leave a position where I have decent seniority and already work there. I hate learning a whole new way of doing things if I can help it. Especially if they do things worse. And Id rather not play my life like a game, where I can possibly lose stuff just because Im slightly bored at a job... But thats just me. Like I said, they both have their pros and cons. But a big con is that what you do doesnt really work for most people...
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LinkPizza posted...

I dont like challenging my life. That sounds stressful. Id rather be safe while making good money.

And the job hopping can work for some. But not for most. And things will change if too many people start doing it. And there are many good jobs that will keep increasing pay. Id be wary of jobs that hire people who cant stay at a job long, and dont mind paying more. Because those seem like they might fire you before you get the chance to leave after doing it too much.

But like I said (I edited), it would need to be a very be pay upgrade and much better benefits for me to leave a position where I have decent seniority and already work there. I hate learning a whole new way of doing things if I can help it. Especially if they do things worse. And Id rather not play my life like a game, where I can possibly lose stuff just because Im slightly bored at a job... But thats just me. Like I said, they both have their pros and cons. But a big con is that what you do doesnt really work for most people...

That's fair. Plenty of people want to find a solid job that will treat them well and stick to it. Nothing at all wrong with it.

Personally a new job isn't stressful to me. I get to go to a new place and play with new tech that I wouldn't have been able to at the previous job which is fun. Honestly most people I interview with are impressed at my drive to learn new things outside of my job in order to advance my career. They probably assume I won't outgrow their company because they will offer growth opportunities. That's also one of the questions I ask them when they interview me. I interview them as much as they interview me so I can see if there are any red flags.

Oh yeah like I said, it's very industry based. IT allows for a lot of moving around. I don't really see it as playing my life like a game. I'm happy and stable in my current job but I randomly apply for jobs that look interesting and see if they'll throw me an extra $20k a year. lol

@CableZL Sorry if we took over your topic man. Super excited to see how your new job works out for you.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

That's fair. Plenty of people want to find a solid job that will treat them well and stick to it. Nothing at all wrong with it.

Personally a new job isn't stressful to me. I get to go to a new place and play with new tech that I wouldn't have been able to at the previous job which is fun. Honestly most people I interview with are impressed at my drive to learn new things outside of my job in order to advance my career. They probably assume I won't outgrow their company because they will offer growth opportunities. That's also one of the questions I ask them when they interview me. I interview them as much as they interview me so I can see if there are any red flags.

Oh yeah like I said, it's very industry based. IT allows for a lot of moving around. I don't really see it as playing my life like a game. I'm happy and stable in my current job but I randomly apply for jobs that look interesting and see if they'll throw me an extra $20k a year. lol

@CableZL Sorry if we took over your topic man. Super excited to see how your new job works out for you.

Most of my stress comes from finding the job, leaving the other job, and making sure I have enough to live before the paycheck comes in. Though, some of it comes from being able to do the job the way they want, which could be different from how you do it or know how to do it.

And wouldnt that only matter if the other place had new tech. Just because its a different place doesnt mean it will have new tech. And with Autonomous machines starting to take over, seniority will become important, as the cuts will probably my start with the newer people.

Also, it still depends on location. A friend of mine had an IT job. And where we are, moving around isnt really an option...
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LinkPizza posted...

Most of my stress comes from finding the job, leaving the other job, and making sure I have enough to live before the paycheck comes in. Though, some of it comes from being able to do the job the way they want, which could be different from how you do it or know how to do it.

And wouldnt that only matter if the other place had new tech. Just because its a different place doesnt mean it will have new tech. And with Autonomous machines starting to take over, seniority will become important, as the cuts will probably my start with the newer people.

Also, it still depends on location. A friend of mine had an IT job. And where we are, moving around isnt really an option...

I already have a good job though so there isnt stress when searching for a new one. Just putting myself out there so I don't pass up a possible good opportunity. If I don't get the job, I keep living my life contently. Your current employer won't find out youre job searching unless you are stupid and do it during work on the company computer. I also get paid more than enough to where I dont have to worry about when the paycheck comes. That's the benefit of working your way up your career ladder. Also yeah if they do things differently and it's a better process then its a good learning experience. If you have a better process then you suggest it to your boss and you look like a hero.

Well that's why you look at the experience they want in the job posting. Knowledge of insert software/programming language. Also during the interview I ask "What solution do you guys use for your backups or whatever?" When I go to interviews, they normally spend an hour interviewing me and I spend the next hour interviewing them. By the time I leave, I more or less know what I'd be getting myself into with that company.

You're looking at seniority wrong. Working at a company for 40 years won't save that janitor his job when the cleaning robots are deployed. People that get cut are the ones that don't provide any benefit to the company. The people that can't have their job responsibilities automated are the ones that will be safe. Most of those people have more important titles that you need to climb the career ladder to get to. Going back to the helpdesk example. Smart companies are getting their system engineers/architects to figure out ways to automate 90% of the tickets that come into the helpdesk. Then they get rid of the helpdesk staff, hire an outside IT service to handle the other 10% of helpdesk tickets, and save a crap ton of money.

Yes we've both agreed that location is important many times by this point along with industry. My best friend lives near Virginia Tech and he's stuck a horrible IT job cause the job pool there is very tiny.

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BlazinBlue88 posted...

I already have a good job though so there isnt stress when searching for a new one. Just putting myself out there so I don't pass up a possible good opportunity. If I don't get the job, I keep living my life contently. Your current employer won't find out youre job searching unless you are stupid and do it during work on the company computer. I also get paid more than enough to where I dont have to worry about when the paycheck comes. That's the benefit of working your way up your career ladder. Also yeah if they do things differently and it's a better process then its a good learning experience. If you have a better process then you suggest it to your boss and you look like a hero.

Well that's why you look at the experience they want in the job posting. Knowledge of insert software/programming language. Also during the interview I ask "What solution do you guys use for your backups or whatever?" When I go to interviews, they normally spend an hour interviewing me and I spend the next hour interviewing them. By the time I leave, I more or less know what I'd be getting myself into with that company.

You're looking at seniority wrong. Working at a company for 40 years won't save that janitor his job when the cleaning robots are deployed. People that get cut are the ones that don't provide any benefit to the company. The people that can't have their job responsibilities automated are the ones that will be safe. Most of those people have more important titles that you need to climb the career ladder to get to. Going back to the helpdesk example. Smart companies are getting their system engineers/architects to figure out ways to automate 90% of the tickets that come into the helpdesk. Then they get rid of the helpdesk staff, hire an outside IT service to handle the other 10% of helpdesk tickets, and save a crap ton of money.

Yes we've both agreed that location is important many times by this point along with industry. My best friend lives near Virginia Tech and he's stuck a horrible IT job cause the job pool there is very tiny.

I have a good job, too. Two, in fact. Still doesnt get rid of my stress, though. And I dont mind missing out on anything if it isnt major. Doing the same job, but get barely anymore isnt worth losing seniority over, for example. Your current employer can find out from many sources. One source is when you put them in your resume. If they call, you employer might find out. And through people who work there. And I also get paid enough to not have to worry. Wont stop me from worrying, though. Like, even when I have a ton of money in my account, I still get worried. Because emergencies do happen. and usually at the worst times... And anything can happen with the new job. Like getting you date pushed back, or then not being able to hire you after hiring you. So, it can still be stressful when those things play in. Also, I would call that working you way up the ladder. Its more like switching ladders... If they take the advice. Ive work at many places where people suggest things. Some things are actually worse. And they like those suggestions. The good ones get ignored because theyve Always done it this way. And most people in a higher position will usually my try to take you idea to make them look better. So, they may treat you like hero, while they are the real ones getting the glory from higher up...

Sure. If they tell you the real truth. Or dont sugarcoat things. It easy to say something new. Or talk about all the new stuff coming in. Or having new stuff that they say to can use, but not being able to when you start working there...

It may not save the janitor his job forever. But he will be the last janitor fired. And youre right that people that offer no benefit will be fired first. But its not about who first to get fired. But whos last. Friends and family are usually last. Followed by good workers. What happens when everybody is a good worker. Well, whos been here longer. Theyll keep those people for that reason alone. Not to mentioned, they are sometimes grandfathered into certain rules. So, theres that. And most things can be automated. It may take a little longer for certain jobs in certain areas. But they can be still. Especially in IT. And especially in a big city. Theyll probably do cities before small towns. And its actually easier to climb the ladder in one company than it is switching. Because you have trust with that company. And longevity. Theyll have reason to choose you over someone whos only been there for a couple years. Switching makes it a little harder. They may hesitate when It comes to you because they arent even sure youll stay. And theyll have to hire again. And when they hire that IT tech, you only hope its you. But youll probably have a bunch of competition. And if that competition doesnt switch jobs on a whim, thats already one extra point for him/her. And another if they know them. And another if they have worked for the company for many, many years before that. Or lost their job during the cutting process...

Location does matter. But also how far you are. If you are already high up, sometimes theres not reason to have to switch...
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