Current Events > Disney Star Wars left us in the same spot as the end of Episode VI

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Return of the Jedi
Good guys avenged the Republic and Jedi Order. The last Jedi hopes to pass knowledge to future generations.

The Rise of Skywalker
Good guys avenged the Republic and Luke's Order. The last Jedi hopes to pass knowledge to future generations.

It's almost like you could probably completely ignore 7 8 and 9 and be alright

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Yeah, the OG series is kinda meaningless now

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The dumb thing is that TLJ leaves a thread that Luke's big moment is going to inspire a whole bunch of new Force users.

And they do absolutely nothing with it. Even Finn doesn't get to do more than just 'have a feeling'
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KillerSlaw posted...

It's almost like you could probably completely ignore 7 8 and 9 and be alright

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Yeah, the OG series is kinda meaningless now

I like to view it as the other way around, ST is meaningless garbage and NOT canon. (=

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La-li-lu-le-lo posted...

I like to view it as the other way around, ST is meaningless garbage and NOT canon. (=

This but without the "garbage" descriptor for me. The sequel trilogy is just a shallow re-imagining of the original trilogy, but they're still enjoyable movies to watch for me.

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BakonBitz posted...

This but without the "garbage" descriptor for me. The sequel trilogy is just a shallow re-imagining of the original trilogy, but they're still enjoyable movies to watch for me.

What does garbage mean for either of you

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

What does garbage mean for either of you

I clearly used it as slang.

Incompetent story telling for starters.

Trash, junk, not good, etc.

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I enjoyed Episode VIII and IX when I first saw it in theaters, but the ST seems to ruin the saga way more than the PT for some reason.

This is why I say the whole point of the sequel trilogy was to kill off Han, Luke, and Leia.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I enjoyed Episode VIII and IX when I first saw it in theaters, but the ST seems to ruin the saga way more than the PT for some reason.

Outside of Revenge of the Sith...lol no

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Darmik posted...

The dumb thing is that TLJ leaves a thread that Luke's big moment is going to inspire a whole bunch of new Force users.

And they do absolutely nothing with it. Even Finn doesn't get to do more than just 'have a feeling'

If the opening scrawl of tRoS added "Jedi Master Luke Skywalker has sacrificed himself to save the Resistance from the First Order, now lead by Supreme Leader Kylo Ren after he usurped Snoke!" then you could skip TLJ entirely and miss absolutely nothing.

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Gheb posted...

If the opening scrawl of tRoS added "Jedi Master Luke Skywalker has sacrificed himself to save the Resistance from the First Order, now lead by Supreme Leader Kylo Ren after he usurped Snoke!" then you could skip TLJ entirely and miss absolutely nothing.

You can do that to any episode

Disney can still salvage this. Announce a reboot trilogy.

Episode X: A Forgotten Dream
The ST is revealed to have been a vision. Skywalker's tend to have premonitions of horrible things happening to their loved ones. From here Disney has another chance to film George Lucas' concluding chapters.

Just face it. The star wars we knew is done, outside of the new obi wan show and whatever else they decide, nothing else will come from the other 6 movies. The trilogy was honestly just a shitty way of writing them off

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KillerSlaw posted...

It's almost like you could probably completely ignore 7 8 and 9 and be alright

A smart fan will do this, Rogue One is the only good disney SW film.

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despite rey being a palpatine was dumb, i do like how it opened up you can have bad guy lazer finger powers but still be a good guy i guess.

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Letron_James posted...

Just face it. The star wars we knew is done, outside of the new obi wan show and whatever else they decide, nothing else will come from the other 6 movies. The trilogy was honestly just a shitty way of writing them off

There's enough stuff from the OT and PT at this point. It's time to move on from the Skywalkers and Palpatine.
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Darmik posted...

There's enough stuff from the OT and PT at this point. It's time to move on from the Skywalkers and Palpatine.

There has been hundreds if not thousands of stories not centered around Skywalker. But the main trilogy films should always be about them. This is one big reason I didn't like the sequels because Darth Vader had zero plot presence

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

There has been hundreds if not thousands of stories not centered around Skywalker. But the main trilogy films should always be about them. This is one big reason I didn't like the sequels because Darth Vader had zero plot presence

Eh I disagree. The biggest failing of the ST was them cowering away from moving on and setting up something new.

If Disney want the franchise to continue they don't really have a choice. The universe feels so damn small because they can't move on from characters established decades ago and the new important people have to be related to them.

The movies are always going to be the main event. By making the movies solely about Skywalkers and friends they're not really giving anything else a chance to be seen as important on a grander scale.
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Darmik posted...

Eh I disagree. The biggest failing of the ST was them cowering away from moving on and setting up something new.

If Disney want the franchise to continue they don't really have a choice. The universe feels so damn small because they can't move on from characters established decades ago and the new important people have to be related to them.

I'm not saying other films should be made, but the big event trilogies should definitely have keep the Vader tradition.

Rise of Vader PT
Fall of Vader OT
Legacy of Vader ST

Years from now Rey will be made to look like a chump, act out of character and Daisy Ridley will bemoan the ignorance of the writers.

Darmik posted...

Eh I disagree. The biggest failing of the ST was them cowering away from moving on and setting up something new.

If Disney want the franchise to continue they don't really have a choice. The universe feels so damn small because they can't move on from characters established decades ago and the new important people have to be related to them.

The movies are always going to be the main event. By making the movies solely about Skywalkers and friends they're not really giving anything else a chance to be seen as important on a grander scale.

The main trilogy had a ton of great characters like Obi Wan, Yoda, Boba Fett etc.
To say them being about the skywalkwrs stunted them is a really bad view that ignores the first 6 movies and just thinks on the st.

Ironically, the st is the only one stunted by focusing on the skywalkers because Disney failed all the other characters. You don'r care about bb the way you did R2D2 and C3PO.
They had no wookie like side kick.

And why did the st focus on skywalkers? Because they chose to do it. They didn't have to make it about Kylo Ren and killing off his family... but they did.
The st was just had a poor vision.

But it could have been good even with this focus on the skywalkers, just the way it was done was bad.

darkphoenix181 posted...

The main trilogy had a ton of great characters like Obi Wan, Yoda, Boba Fett etc.
To say them being about the skywalkwrs stunted them is a really bad view that ignores the first 6 movies and just thinks on the st.

The OT was sure.

But the prequels had the same problem.
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Darmik posted...

The OT was sure.

But the prequels had the same problem.

Mace Windu. Darth Maul. Qui-Gon.
Amidala. An entire army of Jango clones that got a whole cartoon series.
Jar Jar

Yea, no. It had lots of interesting non-skywalker material.

What did the st have? The knights of ren? Maybe when tfa was new. Now, who cares about them lmao.

Not to mention some of the droid army designs were cool like the rolling ball ones.
And the battle of clones vs. Droids making great games like battlefront.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Mace Windu. Darth Maul. Qui-Gon.
Amidala. An entire army of Jango clones that got a whole cartoon series.
Jar Jar

Mace Windu wasn't important and barely did anything in the prequel movies

Darth Maul had like two lines

Qui-Gon is the one who believes Anakin is the chosen one and dies in the first movie so it can then be about Anakin and Obi-Wan in the sequels

Jango Fett is Boba Fett's Dad and the Clone Army are revealed to basically be an army of Boba Fetts. The cool guy from the OT.

Amidala literally dies of a broken heart giving birth because Anakin turned evil. Which also contradicts Leia knowing her mother.

Jar Jar is Jar Jar

The prequel trilogy also revealed;
- Anakin was the chosen one that was supposed to bring balance to the force and has power levels off the chart
- Palpatine created Anakin
- Anakin built C-3PO

In the first Star Wars movie Darth Vader answered to Thrawn.

This whole 'the Skywalkers (and Palpatine? are the most important people in the galaxy ever' went full force because of the stuff established in the prequels. That whole mindset lead to people believing that Rey could only be powerful if she was related to someone else.
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The force isn't genetically inherited. That's a Skywalker only trait.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The force isn't genetically inherited. That's a Skywalker only trait.

Sure but after 9 movies if you aren't linked to Anakin, Palpatine, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett or Yoda you aren't worth shit. At most you're a talented pilot or smuggler.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The force isn't genetically inherited. That's a Skywalker only trait.

I think having force sensitive parents certainly helps your odds. It's just the no relationship rule meant very few Jedi had kids.

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Really the Force shouldn't care about bloodlines at all. It should depend on your personal belief in yourself, the Force and your destiny. That was Yoda's entire thing in Empire Strikes Back.

It makes sense in the OT that there's barely any Jedi. Nobody believes in them and they were wiped out. Luke wasn't the one to fight Vader because he has powerful Force blood. It should be because he was his son and his mentors guided him on the right path.

It's a bit sad that the movies after this seemed to take it in a different direction IMO. It ironically makes it seem a lot less epic.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

There has been hundreds if not thousands of stories not centered around Skywalker. But the main trilogy films should always be about them. This is one big reason I didn't like the sequels because Darth Vader had zero plot presence

The Star Wars galaxy is a bottomless pit of possible ideas and you want the main movies to always revolve around one family? No way

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stoltenberg11 posted...

The Star Wars galaxy is a bottomless pit of possible ideas and you want the main movies to always revolve around one family? No way

The ST barely used the Skywalker family as a plot point so your wish has been granted.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

A smart fan will do this, Rogue One is the only good disney SW film.

I thought Solo was good too apart from the stupid "why is his name 'Solo'" origin. That didn't need explanation, it worked fine as just a regular last name.

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BakonBitz posted...

I thought Solo was good too apart from the stupid "why is his name 'Solo'" origin. That didn't need explanation, it worked fine as just a regular last name.

I did not like it much but it is a lot better then any ST movie thats for sure.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The ST barely used the Skywalker family as a plot point so your wish has been granted.

Uh Luke, Leia, and Kylo were all major characters. And don't act like Rey being a Palpatine wasn't done in large part because Sheev was for 6 movies the Skaywalkers' arch nemesis.

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stoltenberg11 posted...

Uh Luke, Leia, and Kylo were all major characters. And don't act like Rey being a Palpatine wasn't done in large part because Sheev was for 6 movies the Skaywalkers' arch nemesis.

Uh ok.

Somewhat disappointed and glad that the whole thing is over?

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Im just going to say it

Star wars has never had good writing. Fans have made up ridiculous fan theories to fill in the inconsistencies.

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pauIie posted...

despite rey being a palpatine was dumb,

Now I can't stop imagining Palpatine boning some random woman, shrieking "Power! Unlimited, power!"

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Uh ok.

I guess you don't really understand what we're talking about here so let's end this conversation.

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008Zulu posted...

Now I can't stop imagining Palpatine boning some random woman, shrieking "Power! Unlimited, power!"

I remember thinking back in TFA that Obi-Wan won't be Rey's Dad because they would need to explain random new characters for that to work.

Man it's so damn bad. What were they thinking.
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008Zulu posted...

Now I can't stop imagining Palpatine boning some random woman, shrieking "Power! Unlimited, power!"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sObyG9bTf5A

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stoltenberg11 posted...

I guess you don't really understand what we're talking about here so let's end this conversation.

If Disney really wanted to make the the Skywalker Saga then they would have centered the films around Vader's grandchildren like George Lucas wanted.

What were all the different eras?

Old Republic [Episode 1 and before]
Clone Wars [Episode 2 3]
Dark Times [between Episode 3 & 4]
The Rebellion [Episode 4 5 6]
New Republic [Between episode 6 & 7]
First Order vs Resistance [Episode 7 8 9]
New Repbulic again [Post ST]