Current Events > BREAKING: Documents link hold on Ukraine aid to Trump

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spudger
01/02/20 4:33:11 PM
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A previously blacked-out White House email claims the President gave 'clear direction' to hold military funding, report says

In the face of warnings from the Pentagon that the hold on military aid to Ukraine could be illegal, an official from the Office of Management and Budget made it clear that the order to keep the freeze in place came directly from President Donald Trump,

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/politics/unredacted-ukraine-documents-pentagon-concerns/index.html
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Machete
01/02/20 4:39:23 PM
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ib4 "yeah but cnn so therefore fake news"

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darkprince45
01/02/20 4:40:14 PM
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Dude, it doesnt matter if he held the dude over a balcony while live streaming it.

the senate is not going to impeach

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Purely
01/02/20 4:40:14 PM
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Why are we giving them military aid in the first place, and why would it be illegal for the president to withhold it?
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UnfairRepresent
01/02/20 4:40:58 PM
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Trump supporters don't care dude
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Blue_Inigo
01/02/20 4:41:12 PM
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Purely posted...
Why are we giving them military aid in the first place, and why would it be illegal for the president to withhold it?
Wtf is context my dude

Please try not to post shit this dumb in the future

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Halo478
01/02/20 4:42:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Trump supporters don't care dude
He could literally murder people in public they wouldnt give a shit

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UnfairRepresent
01/02/20 4:43:21 PM
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Why are we giving them military aid in the first place,


To help them fight Russia.

and why would it be illegal for the president to withhold it?


Because it was improved by Senate and Congress. The President has no right to hold it, let alone as a bribe in exchange for dirt on rivals.

Even if you ignore the bribe part, he has no right to hold it without disclosing an extremely valid reason for why the second he did so.
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Unknown5uspect
01/02/20 4:43:37 PM
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Why are we giving them military aid in the first place, and why would it be illegal for the president to withhold it?
Congress controls the purse strings. If the executive has issues with where the money is going, they have to go to Congress.
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LightHawKnight
01/02/20 4:43:39 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Dude, it doesnt matter if he held the dude over a balcony while live streaming it.

the senate is not going to impeach

Sad but true.

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UnfairRepresent
01/02/20 4:44:04 PM
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Halo478 posted...

He could literally murder people in public they wouldnt give a shit

Yup

Trump himself flat out said this and everyone cheered.

It's literally a personality cult
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spudger
01/02/20 4:45:05 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Trump supporters don't care dude

I know you all dont

Us patriots do
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bknight
01/02/20 4:45:09 PM
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There could be a video of Trump bathing in the blood of newborn babies and he would still not get fired.
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Tyranthraxus
01/02/20 4:47:30 PM
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Purely posted...
Why are we giving them military aid in the first place, and why would it be illegal for the president to withhold it?

For the first question:
They are one of our most important allies in the region and they're currently under threat of annexation by Putin.

For the second question:
1. The money is allocated by Congress. You can't block it without a good reason. The president doesn't get to decide how Congress spends money. That would be like if Trump signed a budget and then from that budget put a hold on 10 million dollars that was supposed to go to a national park unless the governor of the state allowed him to host a campaign rally there. Unless it's literally a matter of national security he's not allowed to do it.

2. This doubled as an attempt to get a foreign country to interfere in our 2020 election. That is straight up treachery.


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UnfairRepresent
01/02/20 4:48:40 PM
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spudger posted...


I know you all dont

Us patriots do

I'm a Trump supporter now?
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MudKip_Master
01/02/20 4:51:19 PM
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So he saved America money.
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s0nicfan
01/02/20 4:52:35 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Dude, it doesnt matter if he held the dude over a balcony while live streaming it.

the senate is not going to impeach

The whole point of Pelosi holding on to the articles to delay the senate trial is to give time for enough details like this to leak to make it so politically untenable to vote not guilty that the Senate really has no choice but to convict.

They weren't going to impeach a week or month ago, but give it a few months of drip-fed details like this and you would be surprised what they could accomplish.

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LightHawKnight
01/02/20 4:53:57 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The whole point of Pelosi holding on to the articles to delay the senate trial is to give time for enough details like this to leak to make it so politically untenable to vote not guilty that the Senate really has no choice but to convict.

They weren't going to impeach a week or month ago, but give it a few months of drip-fed details like this and you would be surprised what they could accomplish.

Aren't there already a ton of republican senators that already flat out stated they don't care about the facts?

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Musourenka
01/02/20 4:54:37 PM
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They're still going to vote Not Guilty, but at least things like this prevent McConnell and the GOP from exonerating Trump without consequences.

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MC_BatCommander
01/02/20 4:54:45 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Aren't there already a ton of republican senators that already flat out stated they don't care about the facts?

Moscow Mitch blatantly stated he's not gonna take any of this trial seriously

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Tyranthraxus
01/02/20 4:55:13 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Aren't there already a ton of republican senators that already flat out stated they don't care about the facts?

Only 2 have flat out said that. Others probably feel the same way though.

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spudger
01/02/20 4:55:24 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Aren't there already a ton of republican senators that already flat out stated they don't care about the facts?

probably. sounds traitorous to me.
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Machete
01/02/20 4:56:35 PM
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spudger posted...
probably. sounds traitorous to me.

yeah. imo all trump supporting senators should be locked up for life for treason

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CADE FOSTER
01/02/20 4:56:55 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Im sure Mitch doesnt give a shit

Of course not Moscow Mitch and Trump are both traitors
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dotsdfe
01/02/20 4:56:58 PM
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It's really depressing that we're seeing genuinely major bombshells drop here, but they don't matter since he was already impeached yet won't be removed.

This is a pretty big smoking gun, but it's not going to do anything.

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Tyranthraxus
01/02/20 5:01:13 PM
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dotsdfe posted...
It's really depressing that we're seeing genuinely major bombshells drop here, but they don't matter since he was already impeached yet won't be removed.

This is a pretty big smoking gun, but it's not going to do anything.
It's important though.

It's having an effect. The Christianity Today article was a really big fucking deal. That's like probably the third biggest predominantly right wing marketed media. It's like if Fox News said to impeach Trump, just instead TV audience it's the core evangelicals.

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Antifar
01/02/20 5:02:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The Christianity Today article was a really big fucking deal.

To who?
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spudger
01/02/20 5:06:27 PM
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Antifar posted...


To who?

hopefully christians...
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Tyranthraxus
01/02/20 5:40:10 PM
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Antifar posted...
To who?
Evangelicals which are his majority voters in "Bible belt" states.

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Tmaster148
01/02/20 5:41:23 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Dude, it doesnt matter if he held the dude over a balcony while live streaming it.

the senate is not going to impeach

This is not an reason to excuse the action.

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PatrickMahomes
01/02/20 5:43:52 PM
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Impeachment all but certain now

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Dark_SilverX
01/02/20 5:44:51 PM
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This is to help the American people. The amount of trolls attacking The Master is insane.

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Tired-Insomniac
01/02/20 5:46:00 PM
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Why do conservatives hate America?

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Questionmarktarius
01/02/20 5:47:04 PM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
Why do conservatives hate America?
Because America is very naughty.
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Letron_James
01/02/20 5:47:25 PM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
Why do conservatives hate America?

Because America has filthy liberals

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Machete
01/02/20 5:48:35 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Hes already been impeached

You are talking to the user with the username PatrickMahomes.


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Kaldrenthebold
01/02/20 5:48:57 PM
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MudKip_Master posted...
So he saved America money.

Considering how much fucking golf he's been playing on our dime? Laughable take you have here.

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PatrickMahomes
01/02/20 5:53:07 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Hes already been impeached
r/woosh

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bover_87
01/02/20 5:54:09 PM
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
Considering how much fucking golf he's been playing on our dime? Laughable take you have here.
why are you responding to 462

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Machete
01/02/20 5:55:15 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Oh, you were trying to sound dumb on purpose. Yeah forgive me for not knowing that

lol

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creativerealms
01/02/20 5:55:55 PM
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McConnell and Graham don't care.

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PatrickMahomes
01/02/20 5:59:10 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Oh, you were trying to sound dumb on purpose. Yeah forgive me for not knowing that


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Hexenherz
01/02/20 6:14:08 PM
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I thought we had already moved past this line of defense ("Trump didn't order the freeze") and were at a line or two to the rear ("Trump only ordered the freeze to ensure Zelenskiy upheld a promise to combat corruption!!")

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KobeSystem
01/02/20 6:44:33 PM
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Its crazy how much power these states with tiny populations have

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Autocraticus
01/02/20 6:48:21 PM
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This time, for sure!
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hockeybub89
01/02/20 6:50:47 PM
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bknight posted...
There could be a video of Trump bathing in the blood of newborn babies and he would still not get fired.
And they would call him the second coming of Christ and the most pro-life President ever

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