Current Events > Its official Tobacco-Buying Age has been raised to 21 nationwide in US.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/budget/475487-trump-signs-14-t-spending-package-averting-shutdown

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1208029119776247808


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It's been a thing here for a while. Glad I was over 21 when it passed or I'd be pissed. Sorry kids.
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Some of those are actually good, someone give him a biscuit.

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Less freedom is good

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Also, until he actually does it, it's not official.
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First lol, I read this as Taco buying age.

But also, I am surprised he would do that.
That will piss of a good part of his base, in the places he needs.
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Cornmuffins posted...

It's been a thing here for a while. Glad I was over 21 when it passed or I'd be pissed. Sorry kids.

The difference is this is nationwide. 19 states already had it. Now the others will be doing it.

Cornmuffins posted...

Also, until he actually does it, it's not official.

It official. The article is breaking news. The tweet in OP was from this morning.

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You know, at this stage I dont understand why they dont say fuck it and just ban tobacco.

Not that it bothers me, but thats clearly the direction this is headed. Maybe in another 60 years. >_>

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He hasn't signed it so no, it's not official. I know there's other stuff in the bill that gives him reason to sign, but with this dude at president I'm not ready to deal with absolutes
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Cornmuffins posted...

He hasn't signed it so no, it's not official. I know there's other stuff in the bill that gives him reason to sign, but with this dude at president I'm not ready to deal with absolutes

CNN has confirmed it too.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/trump-spending-bills/index.html


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Cornmuffins posted...

He hasn't signed it so no, it's not official. I know there's other stuff in the bill that gives him reason to sign, but with this dude at president I'm not ready to deal with absolutes

It's official

It's one of the rare truly bipartisan issues that all of them are agreeing on

Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, and Trump were all in favor

De Evolution posted...

Less freedom is good

Yes, in this case it is good...I'm not even get into the pointlessness of smoking cigs, there are still many 18 year olds in HS as they turn 18 near the end of the school year, makes it easier to spread cigarettes throughout high school campuses and to underage kids. And that's just one potential positive. most people start smoking at a young age out of curiosity, get hooked, and keep going as adults...its not typically adults aged 21+ who are like "hmmmm...I think i wanna start smoking now".

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if you're old enough to die for your country, you're old enough to smoke

Good

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Sounds good to me.

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I'd like to see them implement a nationwide indoor clean air act. I think Trump and Pelosi would be for it but Mitch probably wouldn't be

And nothing of value was lost.

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12 weeks Paid Parental Leave

Well fuck I had kids a little too early.

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18: old enough to die for your government, too young to drink and smoke

This seems like it came out of nowhere. I probably just didn't hear about it though. Not that I'm complaining.

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CapnMuffin posted...

12 weeks Paid Parental Leave

Well fuck I had kids a little too early.

sux2bAmerican

My wife had a full year of maternity leave, obviously at a reduced rate, but still 12 months off to care for my son when he was born.

If I had taken that time off, my employer would have topped it up and it would be like getting paid at full wages for a year. I realized after 3 weeks with a newborn that was a stupid idea and let my wife take the entire time off to herself.

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Where do i sign up for the space force

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NES4EVER posted...

sux2bAmerican

My wife had a full year of maternity leave, obviously at a reduced rate, but still 12 months off to care for my son when he was born.

If I had taken that time off, my employer would have topped it up and it would be like getting paid at full wages for a year. I realized after 3 weeks with a newborn that was a stupid idea and let my wife take the entire time off to herself.

By contrast my wife had zero paid time and literally just had to use up all her sick time and then anything more would be unpaid.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

18: old enough to die for your government, too young to drink and smoke

Yea I'd be down for raising the enlistment age too. A lot of the 18 year olds they get are teens just out of high school, didn't do well in high school, don't put much thought into college or anything else and just say "well, might as well do this"...even 20 would be good. Gives them a good two years post high school to potentially gain some work experience, think it through and make a more educated decision as opposed to instantly saying "Yea i was an average C student all throughout HS i'm on my way to enlist" immediately after graduation. Of course that will never happen because its hard enough for them to get enrollments as it is...might as well take advantage of the vulnerable members of the graduating class every summer.

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NES4EVER posted...

sux2bAmerican

My wife had a full year of maternity leave, obviously at a reduced rate, but still 12 months off to care for my son when he was born.

If I had taken that time off, my employer would have topped it up and it would be like getting paid at full wages for a year. I realized after 3 weeks with a newborn that was a stupid idea and let my wife take the entire time off to herself.

I know here the mother gets 3 months paid, that can be extended an extra 3 months at a reduced rate of pay, and if they want to take more time they'd need to take a leave, which doesn't promise them their job status when they choose to return. I've worked and seen quite a few co-workers have babies...anyone who took more than 6 months never came back. mostly because anything longer doesn't "hold" their position.

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It'll give the Police something else to do. Chasing after smokers under 21.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

I know here the mother gets 3 months paid, that can be extended an extra 3 months at a reduced rate of pay, and if they want to take more time they'd need to take a leave, which doesn't promise them their job status when they choose to return. I've worked and seen quite a few co-workers have babies...anyone who took more than 6 months never came back. mostly because anything longer doesn't "hold" their position.

Personally I think it's counter-productive to an economy to have regressive maternity benefits (seriously a few months at a time compared to a 40+ year career) but hey as much as I dislike Trump or the current US political climate, this is a step in the right direction for Americans. A society that makes it difficult to have children really limits its own growth, and the security of present contributors of programs (such as social security, etc).

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just in time for new years' resolutions

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NES4EVER posted...

A society that makes it difficult to have children really limits its own growth, and the security of present contributors of programs (such as social security, etc).

Honestly the world is already too overpopulated so any policy that discourages population growth is fine in my book.

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I see energy credits still around for wind power, we really need more wind power because solar is unfeasable in most places.
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Duncanwii posted...

Honestly the world is already too overpopulated so any policy that discourages population growth is fine in my book.

Babies in China and India aren't going to pay for your retirement.

An altruistic goal, perhaps... limiting population for environmental reasons... but I'd like someone to pay into the present retirement ponzi scheme :)

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thrashmetal14 posted...

18: old enough to die for your government, too young to drink and smoke

So at 18. What age would you be deployed?

12 weeks paid parental leave?

Like, for anyone?

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you aren't necessarily going to die in war.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

18: old enough to die for your government, too young to drink and smoke

Which is fine; you're far more useful in service than the net loss of drinking and smoking.

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I don't really have a problem with this, since I'm not a smoker and I'm also pretty sensitive to a number of smells. Cigarettes and tobacco smoke are right up there with exhaust and Marijuana, when it comes to high nausea inducing levels.

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Eh, if alcohol's 21, why not make tobacco the same?

I mean ok.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Yea I'd be down for raising the enlistment age too. A lot of the 18 year olds they get are teens just out of high school, didn't do well in high school, don't put much thought into college or anything else and just say "well, might as well do this"...even 20 would be good. Gives them a good two years post high school to potentially gain some work experience, think it through and make a more educated decision as opposed to instantly saying "Yea i was an average C student all throughout HS i'm on my way to enlist" immediately after graduation. Of course that will never happen because its hard enough for them to get enrollments as it is...might as well take advantage of the vulnerable members of the graduating class every summer.

It's weird that you seem to assume it's mostly C-grade students or worse who enlist because they don't know what else to do or don't have better options. It's also weird that you think of it as the military taking advantage of vulnerable people.

A lot of people who enlist do it to utilize the advantages that military service offers. Like paying for certifications and college, getting that valuable job experience, and having something that looks good to future employers. Or a whole career.

Esrac posted...

It's weird that you seem to assume it's mostly C-grade students or worse who enlist because they don't know what else to do or don't have better options. It's also weird that you think of it as the military taking advantage of vulnerable people.

A lot of people who enlist do it to utilize the advantages that military service offers. Like paying for certifications and college, getting that valuable job experience, and having something that looks good to future employers. Or a whole career.

Yes, and a lot of them do that because they lack options, or lack knowledge of options. It's no secret that the ASVAB is basically a brainlet filter, and low scores get sent straight to infantry. Heck, they encourage people who fail to make the cut to try again, when people scoring that low would be better off getting an evaluation.

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Should have made weed legal as a trade off tbh
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Yea I'd be down for raising the enlistment age too. A lot of the 18 year olds they get are teens just out of high school, didn't do well in high school, don't put much thought into college or anything else and just say "well, might as well do this"...even 20 would be good. Gives them a good two years post high school to potentially gain some work experience, think it through and make a more educated decision as opposed to instantly saying "Yea i was an average C student all throughout HS i'm on my way to enlist" immediately after graduation. Of course that will never happen because its hard enough for them to get enrollments as it is...might as well take advantage of the vulnerable members of the graduating class every summer.

Im fine with enlisting at 18 but unless its a world war 2 type war I think they should just train them and give them basic jobs within the military until they reach 21.

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What the ever loving fuck is the point of the space force? Did he watch an episode of Doctor Who and think it was a documentary?

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1. I'm shocked they agreed on anything
2. with the general trends, laws, and regulations, I'm surprised it isn't just out right banned at this point. I reckon that will be come down the pipeline in the next 15 years.
3. GO SPACE FORCE!!!
4. Gamefaqs has auto number formatting....woohoo!!

How does the federal government have the constitutional authority to do that?
Is this another "okay, states - raise the age or we cut off highway money" thing like Reagan pulled for booze?

spikethedevil posted...

What the ever loving fuck is the point of the space force? Did he watch an episode of Doctor Who and think it was a documentary?

He's desperate to be known for something other than one of the most corrupt POS to be president.

nuge posted...

There's actually some good stuff in this bill. And raising the smoking age is smart. I'm an ex smoker and wish I never did. It's a hard habit to quit. The wall and space force crap is probably why he really signed it.

I feel like these kind of not-directly-related things shouldn't be signed together. And I hear this happens all the time. Why not make them separate bills?
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I disagree on raising tobacco age

It makes no sense to say "at 18 you're an adult and have responsibilities and consequences... but youre too young to smoke"

You go off to fight in Iraq but you cant smoke a cig?

Once you're 18 you should have personal freedom to do whatever you like

A 20 year old murderer will be tried as a sane adult yet is legally too immature to buy tobacco?

wut

spikethedevil posted...

What the ever loving fuck is the point of the space force? Did he watch an episode of Doctor Who and think it was a documentary?

It's a good idea

Space is the future, China, Japan and India are working on their own.

That's where technology is going to grow and in the future resources and security will be tied to how advanced we are in space

Its actually super smart to be ahead of the curve on this and it bugs me that people act like it's a bad idea just because Donald Trump said it.

Imagine If we opposed investing in cars and planes because we didnt like the guy calling for it.

This is the future , it matters
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