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DeadSite
12/17/19 9:06:13 PM
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Disney actually wanted to do something interesting with TLJ and they shit over it.

Now they get the dumb, Justice League style overcorrection

Hope you're happy

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Paper_Okami
12/17/19 9:08:01 PM
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TLJ backlash is so fucking ridiculous, the people who think that movie is one of the worst ever have no fucking idea what a bad movie is.
I envy the people those people, things must be pretty fucking good if TLJ is the worst movie you've ever seen.

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Irony
12/17/19 9:08:45 PM
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TLJ is garbage, people that like it need to get over that their choice in life was wrong.

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DarthAragorn
12/17/19 9:09:01 PM
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The Last Jedi did nothing interesting though
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Fossil
12/17/19 9:09:08 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
TLJ backlash is so fucking ridiculous, the people who think that movie is one of the worst ever have no fucking idea what a bad movie is.
You're not wrong. For a film, it really isn't bad. For a Star Wars film it was a disgrace.
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OrdonGoatCheese
12/17/19 9:09:45 PM
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What was the interesting thing they tried to do?

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creativerealms
12/17/19 9:11:48 PM
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They also deserve how Attack of the Clones was even worse. Both are really bad movies.

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Freddie_Mercury
12/17/19 9:12:13 PM
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OrdonGoatCheese posted...
What was the interesting thing they tried to do?


you'd think they'd be able to answer this question after two years

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evil_zombie11
12/17/19 9:16:16 PM
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It was a nothing burger tbh

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/17/19 9:17:30 PM
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Hopefully, its a good movie and they still hate it. That's even better.

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marthsheretoo
12/17/19 9:18:46 PM
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Fossil posted...
You're not wrong. For a film, it really isn't bad. For a Star Wars film it was a disgrace.

Eh it was a bad film too. But yeah, way worse as a Star Wars movie than as just a movie.

TFA was also awful, and TROS looks set to continue the trend.

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Zack_Attackv1
12/17/19 9:20:20 PM
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Fossil
12/17/19 9:20:38 PM
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marthsheretoo posted...
Eh it was a bad film too. But yeah, way worse as a Star Wars movie than as just a movie.

TFA was also awful, and TROS looks set to continue the trend.
I'm not normally a critic when it comes to movies. I either enjoy it or don't. But I don't feel TLJ was a "bad movie", just a bad Star Wars movie. Like if you didn't know shit about SW and watched TLJ, then you'd think it was awesome.

Also, I really liked TFA.
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DevsBro
12/17/19 9:22:43 PM
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OrdonGoatCheese posted...
What was the interesting thing they tried to do?
Luke vs Kylo was one of the best scenes ever tbh.

But that's about it really, lol.

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Irony
12/17/19 9:23:40 PM
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Luke vs Kylo was the Yoda vs Dooku of the movie

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Zeeak4444
12/17/19 9:24:30 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
TLJ backlash is so fucking ridiculous, the people who think that movie is one of the worst ever have no fucking idea what a bad movie is.
I envy the people those people, things must be pretty fucking good if TLJ is the worst movie you've ever seen.

For a commercial blockbuster release with that much financing?

Ya, its one of the worst of those. It makes Green Lantern look good.


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AlisLandale
12/17/19 9:25:06 PM
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TLJ did absolutely nothing interesting with the franchise.

The bulk of the blame still goes to Abrams and his bullshit nostalgia wankery in TFA, and regressive world building like blowing up the entire republic to justify rehashing the Empire with Diet Palpatine, but Johnson did fuck all to move the story forward. And the intellectually self-satisfied posturing just drives home how shallow his approach was. "Hey, the Resistance buys its war machines from the same sellers that the First Order buys from! This certainly says...something about war. Now let's brush that under the rug and never think about the morally questionable aspects of conflict again!" >_>

If any of his morally ambiguous "the good guys fuck up, the bad guys aren't all bad, kill the past, but really don't" meandering actually has something to say about this story or any of the characters, it might have been decent. But every single character ended up exactly where they were at the start of the movie, (or in Luke's case, where he already ended up in RotJ), and the plot ended with a lame stalemate where the Resistance had to retreat, and now was even smaller.Which might have been compelling if the movie wasn't a boring space chase and actually showed the dwindling resources beyond faceless spaceships. >_> In the end, the good guys are still good, the bad guys are still evil, and despite supposedly being BTFO'd by the First Order, the movie ends to reassure us there is no tension, the Resistance will rebuild, everything is fine.

TLJ is bullshit, and Rian Johnson's approach to "mature" subjects has about as much depth as a Zack Snyder film.

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Smashingpmkns
12/17/19 9:25:25 PM
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Both TFA and TLJ are better overall movies than the prequels.
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lightwarrior78
12/17/19 9:26:27 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
TLJ backlash is so fucking ridiculous, the people who think that movie is one of the worst ever have no fucking idea what a bad movie is.
I envy the people those people, things must be pretty fucking good if TLJ is the worst movie you've ever seen.

The existence of the stuff on MST3K doesn't let anything else off the hook. Doubly so from Disney. They're the biggest entertainment company in the world. They can do better than 4th tier fanficiton written by people so distances from the books they ignored they don't get Rey's been preceded by dozens of female jedi, so isn't interesting in and of herself.

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DevsBro
12/17/19 9:27:19 PM
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Irony posted...
Luke vs Kylo was the Yoda vs Dooku of the movie
Eh

Yoda vs Dooku really betrayed Yoda's character tbh. Was fun to watch at least.

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Cobra1010
12/17/19 9:29:34 PM
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The lesson that should be learnt here is to have a backbone planned for the trilogy and try not to use different directors for each.

Every director considers themsevle artists and will refuse to carry on off another's work. They just have to be different and show off their own style.

And the result is this disjointed mess.

So, Johnson went to JJ during The Force Awakens and asked that the ending scene with Luke be changed to suit his own movie. Instead of having Luke meditate surrounded by floating rocks, something that was promised to actor Mark Hamill, we instead got Rey presenting Luke with his father's lightsaber. BUT when Colin Trevorrow asked Johnson to change the ending of TLJ so that Luke lived, Johnson refused and Trevorrow was removed due to "creative differences." And let's not forget how Rian defends his movie by attacking fans and saying he made TLJ for himself.
So, this pretty much means that Johnson (to an extent) took control of the entire trilogy. Not to mention how he rewrote characters to fit despite their established personalities in other works (even Holdo got screwed over by this). To make a movie just for him, he had to tell the other creators of the trilogy how to write their movies.
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IShall_Run_Amok
12/17/19 9:34:28 PM
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Who would have thought that this thread would result in the same old tired arguments, some of them debunked.

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iPhone_7
12/17/19 9:54:25 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Eh

Yoda vs Dooku really betrayed Yoda's character tbh. Was fun to watch at least.

Yoda in Empire surprised Luke because he was expecting a strong man wielding a lightsaber, not a crane using small green old alien talking weird.

George partially corrected it by giving him a mini-me lightsaber and making him jump @ spin around all over the room. Now thats the magic of Star Wars, thats what being a Jedi is all about.

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ultimate reaver
12/17/19 9:59:25 PM
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When yoda did a flip I clapped

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au_gold
12/17/19 10:16:29 PM
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I just rewatched it, and it did absolutely nothing interesting. It baffles me that people keep tricking themselves into thinking that they did.

It hinted at interesting directions for the franchise, but followed through with none of them.

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DocDelicious
12/17/19 10:22:53 PM
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OrdonGoatCheese posted...
What was the interesting thing they tried to do?

Dude, Leia flew in what has to be one of the worst, most awkward looking, scenes of all time.

Also, that one bitch had purple hair...PURPLE HAIR!!

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Doom_Art
12/17/19 10:27:18 PM
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I've heard a bunch of positive early shit about the movie. Iunno where this is coming from.

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evil_zombie11
12/17/19 10:37:19 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I've heard a bunch of positive early shit about the movie. Iunno where this is coming from.

Here you go

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78261399

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Doom_Art
12/17/19 10:39:33 PM
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Not reading spoilers, chief. Seeing the movie on Friday.

Are there reviews in that topic or something?

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evil_zombie11
12/17/19 10:40:31 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Not reading spoilers, chief. Seeing the movie on Friday.

Oh yeah sorry.

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Snickers_Pls
12/17/19 10:41:34 PM
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I just finished playing Fallen Order. It was pretty good.
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ssjevot
12/17/19 10:41:41 PM
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If the Last Jedi did something interesting I would understand I guess. It kept bordering on doing something interesting but then it never did. Like oh man maybe Ray and Kylo will team up and make a neutral side, real balance to the force! Oh wait no, not happening. Ah but the old Jedi texts were destroyed, maybe this is some new beginning, oh wait no they were in a drawer on the ship, so that didn't matter either I guess. We had our time wasted with the casino planet, the finger snap cave, and the low speed chase, all of which amounted to nothing. We even had the world's worst attempt at "both sides" with the Rebels apparently being as bad as Space Nazis because they buy their weapons from companies. Like no shit, who doesn't buy weapons from companies? Where else would they come from?

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DeadSite
12/17/19 10:58:45 PM
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au_gold posted...
I just rewatched it, and it did absolutely nothing interesting.
lol

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corneliusmagus
12/17/19 11:10:18 PM
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It's really quite sad that when Disney produces an exciting, visually spectacular film that gives depth to a series that although good mostly lacked it people will go crazy calling it the worst movie ever. But they churn out dull and offensively bad slop in the MCU and people celebrate it.

Weird world. Also apparently I'm not a real Star Wars fan because I love The Last Jedi and think it's the second best movie in the franchise (Empire being number one). I guess all that time I spent reading the books, repeatedly watching the films as a kid, playing with the toys, having excited discussions with my childhood friends about it, playing the games just doesn't count because I think Luke had great and logical character development.

Idk, Rise of the Skywalker sounds disappointing because of the idea that these angry nerds need indulging. I won't be in any rush to see it.
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BruceWayneJr
12/17/19 11:11:48 PM
#38:


Shame on you Star Wars fans for disliking a Star Wars movie!

And oh yeah, fuck the prequels and the EU!

It's your fault Disney had to make a piece a shit!

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ledbowman
12/17/19 11:12:02 PM
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Holy shit these very intelligent last jedi rants are cringe, as usual. Is that really how yall watch movies lol

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ThanksUglyGod
12/17/19 11:12:10 PM
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ssjevot posted...
If the Last Jedi did something interesting I would understand I guess. It kept bordering on doing something interesting but then it never did. Like oh man maybe Ray and Kylo will team up and make a neutral side, real balance to the force! Oh wait no, not happening. Ah but the old Jedi texts were destroyed, maybe this is some new beginning, oh wait no they were in a drawer on the ship, so that didn't matter either I guess. We had our time wasted with the casino planet, the finger snap cave, and the low speed chase, all of which amounted to nothing. We even had the world's worst attempt at "both sides" with the Rebels apparently being as bad as Space Nazis because they buy their weapons from companies. Like no shit, who doesn't buy weapons from companies? Where else would they come from?
90% of TLJ criticism is like this
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ledbowman
12/17/19 11:14:43 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
90% of TLJ criticism is like this

These people love nothing more than thinking they're smarter than the movie

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ssjevot
12/17/19 11:18:29 PM
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Had nothing to say about it until people claiming to be smart started saying how it was the best movie in the series and did interesting things. Apparently claiming it is good is fine and doesn't require reasons, but claiming it is bad is being overly pedantic. If you guys told me it was a good movie because you're just supposed to turn your brain off and enjoy it like a Marvel movie I wouldn't have any complaints. That's a valid position.

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evil_zombie11
12/17/19 11:18:30 PM
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ledbowman posted...
These people love nothing more than thinking they're smarter than the movie

That superiority complex is on both sides. People who defend the movie say others just don't "get" it.

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OrdonGoatCheese
12/17/19 11:20:13 PM
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OrdonGoatCheese posted...
What was the interesting thing they tried to do?


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ledbowman
12/17/19 11:24:27 PM
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ssjevot posted...
Had nothing to say about it until people claiming to be smart started saying how it was the best movie in the series and did interesting things. Apparently claiming it is good is fine and doesn't require reasons, but claiming it is bad is being overly pedantic. If you guys told me it was a good movie because you're just supposed to turn your brain off and enjoy it like a Marvel movie I wouldn't have any complaints. That's a valid position.

"I had nothing to say until people said they like it" lol

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DocDelicious
12/17/19 11:27:35 PM
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corneliusmagus posted...
It's really quite sad that when Disney produces an exciting, visually spectacular film that gives depth to a series that although good mostly lacked it people will go crazy calling it the worst movie ever. But they churn out dull and offensively bad slop in the MCU and people celebrate it.

Weird world. Also apparently I'm not a real Star Wars fan because I love The Last Jedi and think it's the second best movie in the franchise (Empire being number one). I guess all that time I spent reading the books, repeatedly watching the films as a kid, playing with the toys, having excited discussions with my childhood friends about it, playing the games just doesn't count because I think Luke had great and logical character development.

Idk, Rise of the Skywalker sounds disappointing because of the idea that these angry nerds need indulging. I won't be in any rush to see it.

Almost no one praises the MCU anymore. People are starting to figure out how fucking bad it is.

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DeadSite
12/18/19 12:16:22 AM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
90% of TLJ criticism is like this
Lol it's actually so lame, the way they watch movies is fucking baby af

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DeadSite
12/18/19 10:26:17 AM
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ledbowman posted...
"I had nothing to say until people said they like it" lol


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DeadSite
12/18/19 8:04:13 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
doesnt bumping and deleting not work anymore? why are you doing that?
Huh

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RchHomieQuanChi
12/18/19 8:06:28 PM
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Love or hate TLJ, the fan reaction is largely why TRoS ended up being a mess.

Disney would have been better off doubling down on its themes and concepts versus trying to undo almost everything it did just to appease fanboys.

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