Current Events > When someone says you have privilege, is it an attack?

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closetjpopfan posted...

Right, we've gone over this. This is a stupid way to look at things. Stupid and damaging.

You're not "advantaged" or "privileged" over someone just because there are people who consider their natural state inferior. And if you believe so, you're a bigot.

And having both parents isn't some sort of privilege or advantage. You can say that someone raised with a single parent or orphaned is disadvantaged, fuck even relatively "underprivileged", "less" privileged than someone with both parents if you want to force the point. But that's a socioeconomic issue, and that's not how the word is used. Privilege by definition is an advantage, it's not just a "neutral" statement. A privilege is something that sets a group of people above or even just apart from others. It's not just a lack of a disadvantage.

I am not "fortunate" because I don't belong to this or that group that suffers prejudice. If I thought so I'd really be a bigot. Oh hey, thank goodness I'm not gay. Thank goodness I'm not black, wow I wouldn't want to be black, that really sucks. Man good thing I'm a man and not a woman, that's messed up. I'm so fucking privileged, awesome.

Are you willfully trying misunderstand the concept of privilege? Because that's what it looks like.

Lol, bless your heart.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

Are you willfully trying misunderstand the concept of privilege? Because that's what it looks like.

No, I don't misunderstand the "concept of privilege". I'm simply pointing out that it's a ridiculous, harmful, baseless concept.

There's no such thing as innate privilege (again, setting any possible socioeconomic privilege aside) because there's no such thing as innate disadvantage. People who suffer discrimination aren't born in any way shape or form less fortunate than those who don't (except of course some true physical disadvantage). To suffer discrimination is not a "disadvantage", it's not some sort of "tragedy" or even any sort of special condition. To view it as such is already discriminatory. That's bigotry, that's ignorance, it does the complete opposite of removing discrimination, it rationalizes it, it solidifies it, it arms it to use one of your own phrases, it's adding to it, it's setting it up as worthy of any sort of consideration and understanding. There's absolutely nothing to gain from studying, analyzing, cataloging ignorance. It's WRONG. It's factually wrong. It's stupid. It's ridiculous.

Vol2tex posted...

I mean your statement that

Privilege is something you have earned.

Blanket quoting leads to misunderstandings.

Trump's father did earn that privilege though. Trump himself, didn't. But it is the purview of the parent to share that privilege with their children, even though they may be mocked for it. So we mock Trump for his bequeathed privilege.

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closetjpopfan posted...

No, I don't misunderstand the "concept of privilege". I'm simply pointing out that it's a ridiculous, harmful, baseless concept.

There's no such thing as innate privilege (again, setting any possible socioeconomic privilege aside) because there's no such thing as innate disadvantage. People who suffer discrimination aren't born in any way shape or form less fortunate than those who don't (except of course some true physical disadvantage). To suffer discrimination is not a "disadvantage", it's not some sort of "tragedy" or even any sort of special condition. To view it as such is already discriminatory. That's bigotry, that's ignorance, it does the complete opposite of removing discrimination, it rationalizes it, it solidifies it, it arms it to use one of your own phrases, it's adding to it, it's setting it up as worthy of any sort of consideration and understanding. There's absolutely nothing to gain from studying, analyzing, cataloging ignorance. It's WRONG. It's factually wrong. It's stupid. It's ridiculous.

Your insistance on referring to it as innate privilege as though it's not based on the given society demonstrates that you, in fact, do not understand the concept.

008Zulu posted...

Blanket quoting leads to misunderstandings.

Trump's father did earn that privilege though. Trump himself, didn't. But it is the purview of the parent to share that privilege with their children, even though they may be mocked for it. So we mock Trump for his bequeathed privilege.

Trump's father benefited from his father's success, but regardless, they still possessed benefits by virtue of birth that most people in society do not.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

Your insistance on referring to it as innate privilege as though it's not based on the given society demonstrates that you, in fact, do not understand the concept.

That attitude is part of a whole nasty package. I'm positive this is only the tip of the iceberg, lol.


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No. Only to but hurt alt right/left WS's

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Dragonblade01 posted...

Your insistance on referring to it as innate privilege as though it's not based on the given society demonstrates that you, in fact, do not understand the concept.

It is certainly innate because (supposedly...) society only "gives" it to those born in a certain group. What society determines is precisely which group of people are BORN into privilege, and which aren't, which group of people have and don't have INNATE privilege.

Of course society doesn't really do any such, because it can't. Because there's no such thing as innate privilege (again, sigh, other than perhaps socioeconomically).

Now I'm the one that wonders whether you even understand your own concept! But it really is as that other user said, once you have no response there's absolutely nothing left for you to do but continue to claim people don't understand you. How disappointing.

I'm done btw, enough is enough.

That means you're done, too.

shockthemonkey posted...

No, and thinking its an attack demonstrates a lack of understanding of what privilege is

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the lowest common denominator usually don't know when they are the dumbest in the room, lmao

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To argue that there is no such thing as innate societal privilege is freaking ludicrous. It's straight up absurd. Picking up a high school textbook that mentions housing discrimination would tell you that. Looking up the historical percentages of men vs women in positions of power would tell you that. Simply looking outside would show you that. Are we really getting to the point where we're denying all history and reality to avoid being SJW? Does the word privilege trigger people so much that it's warping reality?

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not necessarily but its sometimes used as one

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Vol2tex posted...

Trump's father benefited from his father's success, but regardless, they still possessed benefits by virtue of birth that most people in society do not.

Trump is acting like he has earned his privilege, he has not. So it's okay to mock him for it.

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Donald Trump was probably an adult the first time he shook a Black man's hand, lmao. It must've been quite the experience.


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AmericaTheBrave posted...

When someone talks about privilege you may possess (white, male, straight, thin, class), do you interpret it as an attack on you?

Thin privilege isn't really a thing for most dudes, you get shit on just as much as a fat guy is.
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Infost posted...

Thin privilege isn't really a thing for most dudes, you get shit on just as much as a fat guy is.

Thin or scrawny?

Basically Fresh Prince season 1 Will or Topher Grace aka Eric Foreman.

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It's the work of an enemy stand

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Umbreon posted...

No. We all have privilege of some sort.

This. When someone say it, they're asking that you recongize your background on a topic or event.

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closetjpopfan posted...

It is certainly innate because (supposedly...) society only "gives" it to those born in a certain group. What society determines is precisely which group of people are BORN into privilege, and which aren't, which group of people have and don't have INNATE privilege.

Of course society doesn't really do any such, because it can't. Because there's no such thing as innate privilege (again, sigh, other than perhaps socioeconomically).

Now I'm the one that wonders whether you even understand your own concept! But it really is as that other user said, once you have no response there's absolutely nothing left for you to do but continue to claim people don't understand you. How disappointing.

You were implying that people treat it as being innate while at the same time making an allowance for socioeconomic situations. They are the same in this case.

Only if you like pretending to be a victim

I missed the enrollment period for my white male privilege. Is it too late to opt in? I could use some of that gender pay gap money and have the cops not harass me.

I wouldnt necessarily say its an attack, but it is a shitty ass assumption.

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Why do these topics go on so long? Is it cause it's the only place you can voice shitty takes and not have it effect your real life?

So glad I don't have shitty opinions that make me have to live like a pussy ass bitch.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

You were implying that people treat it as being innate while at the same time making an allowance for socioeconomic situations. They are the same in this case.

I commend you for being THE only one in your camp still trying to carry on (a semblance of) intelligent debate, but no, we're done man. On account of making me feel like Ben fucking Shapiro. Ugh.

legendary_zell posted...

To argue that there is no such thing as innate societal privilege is freaking ludicrous. It's straight up absurd. Picking up a high school textbook that mentions housing discrimination would tell you that. Looking up the historical percentages of men vs women in positions of power would tell you that. Simply looking outside would show you that. Are we really getting to the point where we're denying all history and reality to avoid being SJW? Does the word privilege trigger people so much that it's warping reality?

Anti-SJWs have turned to anti-intellectualism as their only defense. It's why they fall for misinformation, manipulated statistics and straight up lies if it disagrees with SJWs.

Like we had this motherfucker not even using the correct definition of privilege to argue some non-point, even when he acknowledged the actual definition but dismissed it. Prolly cuz his only exposure to the concept is from r/TiA.

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