Current Events > Virginia Dems float prosecution,Nat' Guard deployment if police dont enforce law

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Unsugarized_Foo
12/13/19 9:27:21 AM
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Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.
After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, and a red flag law.
Legal firearm owners in the state, however, joined with their sheriffs to form Second Amendment sanctuary counties, which declare the authorities in these municipalities uphold the Second Amendment in the face of any gun control measure passed by Richmond.
Over 75 counties in Virginia have so far adopted such Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in the commonwealth, the latest being Spotsylvania County. The board of supervisors voted unanimously to approve a resolution declaring that county police will not enforce state-level gun laws that violate Second Amendment rights.
Virginia Democratic officials, however, already say local law enforcement supporting these resolutions will face consequences if they do not carry out any law the state Legislature passes.
I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath, Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures. The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law.
Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.
They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down, he said.
McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.
And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law, he said. That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.


Source- Washington Examiner - links too long for them to enjoy traffic



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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:31:37 AM
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LMAO now righties like "sanctuary jurisdictions"? Now they're no longer about "law and order"? Who'd have thought? LMAO
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Unsugarized_Foo
12/13/19 9:33:18 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
LMAO now righties like "sanctuary jurisdictions"? Now they're no longer about "law and order"? Who'd have thought? LMAO

Their argument is that it contradicts the Constitution thus making this law illegal

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solosnake
12/13/19 9:35:28 AM
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Letting this corrupt government take away gun rights is absolutely the wrong move.

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:36:10 AM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
They're argument is that it contradicts the Constitution thus making this law illegal

I love how all it takes for them to consider that something is against the constitution is some bubba saying so in his backyard while throwing rocks at opossums.

If you ask them if interracial marriage or free college are against the constitution they will say so too. These people will start their own pseudo-governments if given the chance.
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KillerSlaw
12/13/19 9:36:39 AM
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So its okay to not enforce immigration law but not okay to not enforce firearm law?

I thought democrats weren't after my guns?

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:36:45 AM
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solosnake posted...
Letting this corrupt government take away gun rights is absolutely the wrong move.

What gun rights are being taken away, @solosnake ?
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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:39:24 AM
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KillerSlaw posted...
So its okay to not enforce immigration law but not okay to not enforce gun grabs?

I thought democrats weren't after my guns?

This is the most "no u!" no u argument I've ever seen, lmao
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Lordofkhyber
12/13/19 9:40:24 AM
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Muh guns!
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KillerSlaw
12/13/19 9:42:48 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
This is the most "no u!" no u argument I've ever seen, lmao

Not an argument it's an observation/question

The argument would lie somewhere with if its constitutional which I wouldn't get into.

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:45:40 AM
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KillerSlaw posted...
Not an argument it's an observation/question

The argument would lie somewhere with if its constitutional which I wouldn't get into.

I said:

YokoGeri posted...
LMAO now righties like "sanctuary jurisdictions"?

And the he replied:

KillerSlaw posted...
So its okay to not enforce immigration law but not okay to not enforce firearm law?

It's the very definition of NO U
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KillerSlaw
12/13/19 9:47:25 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
I said:

And the he replied:

It's the very definition of NO U

A no you that you apparently cant engage or argue against.

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Doom_Art
12/13/19 9:48:06 AM
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Cops don't get to choose which laws to enforce

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:48:34 AM
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KillerSlaw posted...
A no you that you apparently cant engage

I love how you guys feel the rules don't apply to you.

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ThePrinceFish
12/13/19 9:48:52 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
I love how you guys feel the rules don't apply to you.
Irony.

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solosnake
12/13/19 9:49:08 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Cops don't get to choose which laws to enforce
Actually, they do, every single day lol. Thats the problem with human cops

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:49:42 AM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Irony.

Explain
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KillerSlaw
12/13/19 9:50:08 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
I love how you guys feel the rules don't apply to you.

I dont live in Virginia and follow the laws in my state so...

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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:50:41 AM
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KillerSlaw posted...
I dont live in Virginia and follow the laws in my state so...

I meant the rules of debate lol
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Ethosian
12/13/19 9:51:28 AM
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I'm against forcefully taking guns away, but I have to LMAO at Trumpers complaining about a government being unconstitutional
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YokoGeri
12/13/19 9:54:42 AM
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Ethosian posted...
I'm against forcefully taking guns away, but I have to LMAO at Trumpers complaining about a government being unconstitutional

They cried about sanctuary jurisdictions for years and now they're suddenly for them, it cracks me up
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Tmaster148
12/13/19 9:55:59 AM
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YokoGeri posted...
They cried about sanctuary jurisdictions for years and now they're suddenly for them, it cracks me up

The right only likes things if it benefits them.

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Ethosian
12/13/19 10:02:11 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
Except this isn't all Trumpers that are upset about this.

There are a lot of liberal gun owners in VA (self included) and they are not happy about this.
No, like I said, I'm against this. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of the people on the right for supporting Trump yet calling a government unconstitutional
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YokoGeri
12/13/19 10:04:02 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
In the same light, those who were for them for immigration are suddenly against them...

this is more "no u".

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Balrog0
12/13/19 10:10:04 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
In the same light, those who were for them for immigration are suddenly against them...

well, to be fair, in the american political system, counties, cities, and other local governments have no rights the way that states have rights

so its not quite the same thing as a city or a state deciding not to enforce federal laws or comply with federal authorities, because states and (by extension) cities do have standing against the federal government which cities generally do not have against states

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Awesome
12/13/19 10:15:33 AM
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the democrats continue to give trump easier chances of victory in 2020

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Unsugarized_Foo
12/13/19 11:43:55 AM
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It'd also fun to see 95% of the geography be green and novel think they'd have the thought of using the military on their own people

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Abiz_
12/13/19 11:50:00 AM
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Supreme court rules that Police officers don't have to enforce the law. So...
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EvenSpoonier
12/13/19 11:50:46 AM
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Because nullification is only okay when Democrats do it, amirite?

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Balrog0
12/13/19 12:07:02 PM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
Because nullification is only okay when Democrats do it, amirite?

I explained why this doesn't apply already

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Buzz Killjoy
12/13/19 12:13:44 PM
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How did the law actually change? Didn't see that info in the OP.

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Unsugarized_Foo
12/13/19 12:23:08 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, and a red flag law.

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Balrog0
12/13/19 12:43:50 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Oh you're absolutely correct. But I highly doubt that's why people are against them. In fact, I'd wager most of them don't even know this.

oh yeah you're not wrong

I do think it's important to point out, though. I'm not even saying I like that cities and states have that kind of relationship, but, you know ... it is what it is.

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SocksForWok999
12/13/19 12:46:23 PM
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Unconstitutional to the max

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Balrog0
12/13/19 12:53:08 PM
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SocksForWok999 posted...
Unconstitutional to the max

red flag laws have been upheld in court, and we've already done one of the two other proposals on a national scale

would universal background checks really be unconstitutional?

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Sackgurl
12/13/19 12:53:22 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
And the ones that do support them have lived in rough areas or poorer areas and see the validity in owning one for protection.

this seems anecdotal

Balrog0 posted...
would universal background checks really be unconstitutional?

of course not. only the assault weapons ban might fail a SCOTUS challenge, though it passed the 9th way back.

in general though, municipalities have no argument here--it's for the judicial branch to rule on constitutionality.

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TheMikh
12/13/19 1:00:18 PM
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this country is going to hell in a handbasket, one state at a time

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MudKip_Master
12/13/19 1:01:44 PM
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Why the fuck did that state vote for dems?
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TheMikh
12/13/19 1:03:13 PM
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MudKip_Master posted...
Why the fuck did that state vote for dems?

virginia's been a blue state since 2008

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Machete
12/13/19 1:14:02 PM
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The federal government should take all of the guns away from people who are pro-trump and give them away for free to people who are anti-trump imo. That would solve all major gun issues in the country.
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L0Z
12/13/19 1:17:07 PM
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National Guard. Bro those guys are glorified civilians that dont get weapons training unless they are go active duty and deploy
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Unsugarized_Foo
12/13/19 1:18:17 PM
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MudKip_Master posted...
Why the fuck did that state vote for dems?



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JE19426
12/13/19 1:27:52 PM
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KillerSlaw posted...
So its okay to not enforce immigration law but not okay to not enforce firearm law?

The difference is that it's the Federal government's job to enforce immigration law, not the state or city. While I don't know enough to say for sure I imagine Virginia law makes it the job of local police to enforce State law. Having said that if the law is unconstitutional, as some have claimed, it's an illegal law, and therefore none of the police should enforce it.
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DadofStrawman
12/13/19 1:30:13 PM
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KillerSlaw posted...
So its okay to not enforce immigration law but not okay to not enforce firearm law?

I thought democrats weren't after my guns?


What the fuck man what the hell did my son do you to you. Holy shit why would you do that to him?

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