Current Events > I don't have sympathy for people who die of drug overdoses, is that bad?

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Bunch of very intelligent galaxy brains in here

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

So these people doing heroin, pills, liquids.....they are just chilling in their bedroom all alone?

I have people on my Snapchat on a daily basis drinking syrup and then going on with their lives. Its cute what you think sometimes.

Ive seen dudes grab every gun they have and bunker down in their living room because the shit they were on told them people were outside about to break in.

you are delusional as fuck if you dont think these people are putting others in harm

Were talking about addiction to illicit substances vs. drunk driving.

Your argument only works if we compare people who drive while drunk to those who drive while under the influence of, say, heroin.

There are plenty of alcoholics who dont drink and drive just as there are plenty of addicts who never hurt anybody.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I dont look down on them as ive been down that road myself. But i sure as hell dont feel sorry for them either. They took a risk and paid for it thats all there is to it.

I mean not much point in feeling sorry for a dead person, not like your sympathy can help them now. You should feel sorry for their family and other loved ones of theirs though, I think.

And, not to mention, empathy is what fuels programs that help addicts quit, so when it literally takes no effort to feel sympathy for people suffering from drug addiction I say hey why not express my support.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Shablagoo posted...
Big difference is drunk driving puts others lives at risk.

Shablagoo posted...

Were talking about addiction to illicit substances vs. drunk driving.

Your argument only works if we compare people who drive while drunk to those who drive while under the influence of, say, heroin.

There are plenty of alcoholics who dont drink and drive just as there are plenty of addicts who never hurt anybody.

Its like you said one thing and then just completely ignored that you said it or you tried to twist the meaning. I really dont know.

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Can you attempt to describe what you think is contradictory in there so I can see exactly how youre misunderstanding it and try to break down my simple English even further for you?

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No sympathy whatsoever.

You know what drugs can do, but decide to do them anyway, instead of the multitude of other options that dont potentially kill you.

Shablagoo posted...

Big difference is drunk driving puts others lives at risk.

So do drug addicts.

You said drunk driving puts other peoples lives at risk while implying not the same for these druggies.

I supplied some examples pointing out youre wrong, and then I have no idea what that response was.

If its you thinking all or even most of these drug people are just relaxing at home not doing anything.....man do I have some stuff to tell you.

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Drrobotniks posted...

No sympathy whatsoever.

You know what drugs can do, but decide to do them anyway, instead of the multitude of other options that dont potentially kill you.

Question, do you feel sorry for someone who dies in a car accident?

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

You said drunk driving puts other peoples lives at risk while implying not the same for these druggies.

I supplied some examples pointing out youre wrong, and then I have no idea what that response was.

If its you thinking all or even most of these drug people are just relaxing at home not doing anything.....man do I have some stuff to tell you.

Oh youre just blatantly trolling then, huh? Ill stop responding then.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes it's awful

you should be utterly ashamed of yourself

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Shablagoo posted...

Oh youre just blatantly trolling then, huh? Ill stop responding then.

him countering your argument is trolling? woah

Drrobotniks posted...

No sympathy whatsoever.

People are sympathetic with drug users for turning to that when they experience abuse or hard times, but insult people who turn to eating for the same reasons.

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Drrobotniks posted...

him countering your argument is trolling? woah

When its in bad faith, which seems to be all hes capable of doing, yes.
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I am so lost right now

like Ive been lost on here before but right now I legit have no idea whats going on

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He also likes to feign ignorance when hes called out on shitposting
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Alright buddy if youre trying to show up and be the cool guy you can see yourself out. Youve already shown you have nothing to add so if youre that bored go find another topic.

and can someone help me out with this

difference is drunk driving hurts people

people on drugs can do the same

stop trolling

what

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I pity them

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Thats actually kinda sad if youve noticed anything like that

My bad, that wasn't directed at you.

lmao yall cant even figure out who other users are referring to or follow the thread of the conversation, no wonder you have such difficulties understanding the basic English in my post.

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Can you please actually answer anything or go over anything or at least point out where you think Im wrong.

Youre just resorting to trying to belittle people and its kinda weird. If you realized you are wrong you can just man up and admit it and we can move on. But the more you babble and ignore everything just shows and proves you are wrong right now.

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Shablagoo posted...

lmao

Shablagoo posted... yall cant even figure out who other users are referring to or follow the thread of the conversation, no wonder you have such difficulties understanding the basic English in my post.

At least I can admit when I'm wrong. You just lmao and run away.

Shablagoo posted...

Can you attempt to describe what you think is contradictory in there so I can see exactly how youre misunderstanding it and try to break down my simple English even further for you?

That. I want that.

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Shablagoo posted...

It literally doesnt take any effort to have sympathy for people who take potentially deleterious mind-altering substances to ease the pain of a miserable life.

Literally no effort lmao. And yet yall trying to force your fart opinions down our throats like youre so fucking smart and awesome for looking down on people struggling with drug addiction.

You know what else takes absolutely no effort? Not doing drugs in the first place. I'm with TC here. Unless you were strapped down and had drugs forced into your system until you were addicted, you get no sympathy from me.

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Fuck me I said Id stop responding but on the slim chance youre being serious:

The topic is about having sympathy for people who die of overdoses.

Its not about having sympathy for people who commit violence or hurt others.

Drunk driving is a behavior with the inherent risk of hurting someone else. As is driving while under the influence of an illicit substance like heroin.

But merely drinking or using heroin do not carry that same inherent risk. Thus, a direct comparison between drunk driving and being addicted to drugs is not a good one.

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Not surprised that two of the worst NFLB posters have awful opinions here

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loafy013 posted...

You know what else takes absolutely no effort? Not doing drugs in the first place. I'm with TC here. Unless you were strapped down and had drugs forced into your system until you were addicted, you get no sympathy from me.

This

Shablagoo posted...

using heroin do not carry that same inherent risk.

Uh, and people doing crack, and other hard drugs? Those 100% carry risk of those people Harming other people. Wtf are you talking about

corneliusmagus posted...

I came very close to having an opiate overdose. I turned to drugs as a way of coping with being physically, mentally and sexually abused by an ex partner.

Fuck you.

Could've turned to something else.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Youre just resorting to trying to belittle people and its kinda weird.

Oh and this is sort of an odd criticism given that Ive never seen a single post from you when youre arguing with someone where you dont slip in an ad hominem, like the several that you managed to squeeze into the post Im quoting.

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So is Shablagoo's argument that alcohol is bad because some people drink and drive? But the rest of drug addicts we should just pat on the shoulder and say "awwww" while pretending no bad things have happened while people are under the influence of any other drug?

Also while ignoring the fact that drunk driving happens with people that are casual drinkers and are just shit people that drive drunk instead of calling a cab or having a designated driver?

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Shablagoo posted...

Oh and this is sort of an odd criticism given that Ive never seen a single post from you when youre arguing with someone where you dont slip in an ad hominem, like the several that you managed to squeeze into the post Im quoting.

Ignoring questions and replying with junk shows youre wrong. Im not trying to hide that or slip that in or be cute. It shows your wrong. Nothing else.

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thanosibe posted...

So is Shablagoo's argument that alcohol is bad because some people drink and drive?

Literally said the exact opposite of that. You guys are either trolling me or really tired or something and not reading things correctly.

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DevsChum posted...

Does a significant portion of ODs happen to people who got addicted by involuntary use? As in, somebody tied them down and injected them?

As anything in real life, addiction is a fair bit more complicated than simply "I want to engage in this possibly illegal act that will continue to harm my body, my brain, in addition to placing more strain and stress on my loved ones and friends and depleting my finances, rendering me unable to sustain both a stable life and my addiction."

But, to address your gross ignorance, yes, involuntary addiction actually can happen - believe it or not. Case in point, I'm physically addicted to opioids but not because I wanted this to happen. My oncologist and myself couldn't understand at the time why I was having such severe bouts of pain associated with partial bowel obstruction, until some time well later after the fact when I, on my own accord, managed to link together the side effects of certain medications that were working in tandem to undermine my own bowel system. And I'd like to add that nobody in my care team, not my oncologist nor nurse practitioner nor case manager, were able to link these circumstances together to effectively prevent what could have been a totally preventable outcome. All they knew to do was throw more pain medication at the problem.

I didn't ask to be physically addicted to pain meds. I didn't ask to have to wear a fentanyl patch every day, or suffer debilitating withdrawals. But now I have to if I want to have a stable life while battling metastatic colon cancer and trying to prevent said pain medication from increasing any further all the while still dealing and living with chronic pain stemming from the main tumor in my lower sigmoid colon.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Ignoring questions and replying with junk shows youre wrong. Im not trying to hide that or slip that in or be cute. It shows your wrong. Nothing else.

I didnt ignore your damn questions dude, post #78.

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EverDownward posted...

As anything in real life, addiction is a fair bit more complicated than simply "I want to engage in this possibly illegal act that will continue to harm my body, my brain, in addition to placing more strain and stress on my loved ones and friends and depleting my finances, rendering me unable to sustain both a stable life and my addiction."

But, to address your gross ignorance, yes, involuntary addiction actually can happen - believe it or not. Case in point, I'm physically addicted to opioids but not because I wanted this to happen. My oncologist and myself couldn't understand at the time why I was having such severe bouts of pain associated with partial bowel obstruction, until some time well later after the fact when I, on my own accord, managed to link together the side effects of certain medications that were working in tandem to undermine my own bowel system. And I'd like to add that nobody in my care team, not my oncologist nor nurse practitioner nor case manager, were able to link these circumstances together to effectively prevent what could have been a totally preventable outcome. All they knew to do was throw more pain medication at the problem.

I didn't ask to be physically addicted to pain meds. I didn't ask to have to wear a fentanyl patch every day, or suffer debilitating withdrawals. But now I have to if I want to have a stable life while battling metastatic colon cancer and trying to prevent said pain medication from increasing any further all the while still dealing and living with chronic pain stemming from the main tumor in my lower sigmoid colon.

A 1 out of 1000 chance scenario. I have sympathy for people in certain scenarios but not all. Most people I know that got into drugs was from a party lifestyle. Or aka they just wanted to have some fun.

But this topic is about ODs unless someone fucked up whether it be your doctor or you. You should not be ODing on prescribed meds.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

A 1 out of 1000 chance scenario

[citation needed]

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mooreandrew58 posted...

A 1 out of 1000 chance scenario. I have sympathy for people in certain scenarios but not all. Most people I know that got into drugs was from a party lifestyle. Or aka they just wanted to have some fun.

Even then I do think they deserve sympathy. Sure, it might have been slightly stupid to start going down that and thinking you were safe from the risks, but being stupid doesn't mean we can't want better for them, for them to be free of addiction.

Addiction is awful and not something we should want anyone to suffer. Could some people have made better life choices? Sure, but I don't think anyone can say they haven't done the occasional stupid/risky thing. Most of us are just fortunate the risks don't catch up with us or aren't severe enough to a long term concern.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

A 1 out of 1000 chance scenario. I have sympathy for people in certain scenarios but not all. Most people I know that got into drugs was from a party lifestyle. Or aka they just wanted to have some fun.

But this topic is about ODs unless someone fucked up whether it be your doctor or you. You should not be ODing on prescribed meds.

It still happens, though. That's what I'm trying to stress. I'm also trying to stress that addiction is a lot more complicated and layered than simply "i want to get fucked out of my mind, dude xd." Not to mention ODing can happen if you're not even addicted, and just happened to be at a party where some trashbag of a life-form fucked you over because he thought it would be 'funny' to see what would happen by increasing the potency a little too much.

The thing about addiction is that almost nobody that does suffer from it ever believes it will happen to them, because society is so loose about it. A drink here, a hit there, a toke there, but the consequences are never necessarily addressed because friends, co-workers, loved ones, etc. are there to take your mind off of how dangerous it is. You're having fun with your friends, or whatever, how bad could it really be? And then they find themselves all alone, at 3 in the morning in the bathroom of some stranger's house that an acquaintance was a roommate of in college, taking a hit after just spending the light bill money on it.

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i didnt read all the walls of text in this topic but i will say that i disagree that people very clearly know the dangers of drugs, thats kind of an outside looking in mindset. also i think most people dont really have a good understanding of addiction and how it works

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Sort of. I feel bad that people get dragged down into a horrible habit that ruins lives. At the same time, having seen one particular disgusting person bounce back and forth between sobriety and drug use the last few years, blaming all issues in her life on everything but herself, selling her own child's insulin for drug money, and just being an all around horrible person, I'd honestly feel nothing if she dropped dead due to her own issues.

DevsChum posted...

Does a significant portion of ODs happen to people who got addicted by involuntary use? As in, somebody tied them down and injected them?

"Somebody made a mistake so i don't care if they die"

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Shablagoo posted...

I didnt ignore your damn questions dude, post #78.

After like the 5th attempt to get it from you, congrats dude.

Romulox28 posted...

but i will say that i disagree that people very clearly know the dangers of drugs

So then we should be feeling bad for people that are ....dumb?

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Romulox28 posted...

i didnt read all the walls of text in this topic but i will say that i disagree that people very clearly know the dangers of drugs, thats kind of an outside looking in mindset. also i think most people dont really have a good understanding of addiction and how it works

Who doesn't know that you can overdose and die on certain drugs?

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nemu posted...

Sort of. I feel bad that people get dragged down into a horrible habit that ruins lives. At the same time, having seen one particular disgusting person bounce back and forth between sobriety and drug use the last few years, blaming all issues in her life on everything but herself, selling her own child's insulin for drug money, and just being an all around horrible person, I'd honestly feel nothing if she dropped dead due to her own issues.

If you make scummy choices, you are a scummy person. Addiction doesn't change that, just the same with drink drivers.

The addiction itself is bad, yes, but ultimately the person still makes the choice to do harm to others and that is not something that should be forgiven.

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Funkydog posted...

If you make scummy choices, you are a scummy person. Addiction doesn't change that, just the same with drink drivers.

The addiction itself is bad, yes, but ultimately the person still makes the choice to do harm to others and that is not something that should be forgiven.

Addiction can definitely turn someone into a completely unreedemable scumbag. Even when they're sober, you can tell how much they've changed. Though that obviously depends on the kind of drug used and history of usage.

i never had any problems with drug addictions so its hard for me to judge others or speak on these issues when i havent experienced them.

@Funkydog hey are you British?

I just recently learned that they call it drink driving in the UK and I love it.

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ur loss

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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Who doesn't know that you can overdose and die on certain drugs?

it's just not that simple.

take alcohol, for example. we all know how dangerous it is - in the US, 88k people a year die from it, it's the #3 cause of preventable death. we know it causes liver damage, heart disease, strokes, etc.

yet many people still drink. why? this is when things get blurry. we know it's safe to drink a glass of wine with dinner, right? what about getting drunk at your friend's birthday party, is that ok? probably. what about going out and bar hopping on the weekends, is that ok? maybe. how much drinking is too much drinking? what makes you an alcoholic? these are questions with no clear answer, & most people tend to answer them by avoiding them.

addiction knows no boundaries, it does not discriminate based on age, sex, race, social status, etc. most people learn growing up that addiction is this boolean type thing, you're either a full-blown addict pissing himself on a city sidewalk or you're a drug-free, non-addict normal guy, but the reality is that addiction is a lot more dynamic than that.

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