Current Events > The Admiral is WARNED

(+) Yeah! (+)

admiral banned

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SBAllen came through with the Ether.

admiral soul burning slow

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SBAllen posted...

It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

This is the most transparency I've ever seen from any single mod or admin, ever. It should be noted that transparency is extremely appreciated when dealing with things of this matter.

*CElutes*
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PatrickMahomes posted...

SBAllen posted...

It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

This is the most transparency I've ever seen from any single mod or admin, ever. It should be noted that transparency is extremely appreciated when dealing with things of this matter.

*CElutes*

*CElutes*

so is he banned?
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Woooooow

Banned now

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Aww snap.

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end of tenure

Malfunction posted...

end of tenure

Guess we will see him in 72 hours

SBAllen posted...

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

This has my full approval!

Yes he can always make another account because IP bans haven't been effective in ages, but it's nice to see someone finally burned.
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Now ban Tails and Tony pls
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Oh shit Admiral is actually banned now

Lmfao. I bet he comes back on an alt though. For a guy who claims to have such an awesome life, he just can't resist spending his free time shitposting on here.
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Guys, if Admiral comes back, I'm sure he will be 100% changed.

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i was pretty harsh in what i said earlier and while i still stand by it, the right thing was done in this case. good work

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@SBAllen posted...

Can you think about raising karma limits so that low karma alts cant just spam the most popular boards like CE. People would be less likely to spam moderations if they have to wait longer to do so.

You did it for 261, do it for 400 too kthx
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SBAllen posted...

It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

Well this certainly answers my question in Veggeta X's topic, and I have nothing else to say on the matter, so I yield back the remainder of my time to the chairman O_O
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I feel like Admiral spit out an egg before he exploded, and we'll see what was born from that egg at the next tournament.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I feel like Admiral spit out an egg before he exploded, and we'll see what was born from that egg at the next tournament.

Is this a Piccolo reference?

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SBAllen posted...

It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

@SBAllen As a long time poster, I recall a time where troublesome accounts were simply put on KoS. Is this no longer a thing? Why not?


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Counterproductive. People wore it as a badge of honor.

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iirc the justification is that people took being KoS as a badge of honor and dialed the shitposting up to 11.
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Veggeta X posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I feel like Admiral spit out an egg before he exploded, and we'll see what was born from that egg at the next tournament.

Is this a Piccolo reference?

of course!
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What did KoS stand for?
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Shablagoo posted...

What did KoS stand for?

Killed on Sight

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okay CEmen, stop trying to keep sempai's attention... he's got other shit to do that's got nothing to do with CE, lmao
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DuranOfForcena posted...

like others, i applaud @SBAllen for the transparency with this, but it strikes me as sort of odd that the post about it is basically "we choose not to ban older users so that we can contain them and force them to behave, but this time we're choosing to ban this older user, so he's no longer gonna be contained, so we'll see what happens." so like are we just giving rise to "Admiral_Unleashed" here or what

no. pretty weak thinking on your part.

addy has had plenty of chances; this isn't a one off.
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posting in a legendary topic

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A Novel Idea posted...

posting in a legendary topic

I like the username to post ratio
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

he's got other shit to do

lmao

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Gamefaqs history neato

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Valjackal posted...

Counterproductive. People wore it as a badge of honor.

Were you around for the "LUEicides?" It was even a banned word at one point, lol
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Admiral, Banned??

Im so mad im shaking

BannedMiral
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Wow I really didn't see that coming.

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SBAllen posted...

It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

@SBAllen So if there have been measures put in place to prevent people from creating spam accounts, how come yourwisesage has made roughly 15 accounts already this football season alone, and what I can only assume is several hundred over the last few years? Do the measures not actually prevent the creation of spam accounts? No hate, real question.

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ugh... c'mon...
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KTG2 posted...

@ SBAllen So if there have been measures put in place to prevent people from creating spam accounts, how come yourwisesage has made roughly 15 accounts already this football season alone, and what I can only assume is several hundred over the last few years? Do the measures not actually prevent the creation of spam accounts? No hate, real question.

I recommend you re-read the 4th paragraph.

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I want to let yall know theres no hard feeling for closing my number 2 Admiral banned topic

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Error1355 posted...

I recommend you re-read the 4th paragraph.

Well hold on, the reason I ask is because he said they stopped whoever Hey is in one paragraph but then says nobody can really be stopped in another

I'm curious about the mechanics in place more than anything

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AssultTank posted...

By stopped, Allen really means slowed down to where he can no longer create hundreds of accounts a day.

The clarification is appreciated, I wasn't familiar enough with Hey to measure his spam vs someone like yws

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Why would someone create hundreds of accounts a day on here

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REMercsChamp posted...

Why would someone create hundreds of accounts a day on here

Because they get into trouble too much so they need it.

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So far there's still no way to deal with the problematic site staff though

LittleBonTron2 posted...

So far there's still no way to deal with the problematic site staff though

Maybe learn to be a productive member of the community and you wouldn't have to deal with us.

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Valjackal posted...

LittleBonTron2 posted...

So far there's still no way to deal with the problematic site staff though

Maybe learn to be a productive member of the community and you wouldn't have to deal with us.

but that user has a pristine usermap with a vast assortment of diverse usernamed accounts that are all active and in good standing with clean moderation histories, as far as I know
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I'm plenty productive and constructive here yet I get attacked for non-issue posts all the time.