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Error1355 posted...

Let me guess, you guys are gonna go off on some asinine tangent saying the mods protect him while at the same time suspending him which is the harshest thing a moderator can do to a user account.

Alright, alright, addy is a tolerant, kind and charitative gentleman and a scholar, I'm sorry. Geez, calm down bro @_@

Error1355 posted...

Let me guess, you guys are gonna go off on some asinine tangent saying the mods protect him while at the same time suspending him which is the harshest thing a moderator can do to a user account.

so you're saying it's the admins protecting him

that makes sense honestly

So what youre saying is that the admins protect him.
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The admins are not treating him any differently than other users either. Just because you guys are hyper focused on him doesn't mean he's being given any more leeway than others.

Moderators do not assign purgatories or bans. We suspend, admins handle from there. If an account is old and has a lot of karma it's more likely than not that the user is just going to get thrown into purgatory rather than an outright ban.

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Yes and that's stupid.

Okay, cool.

So say the site does just outright ban him and he just makes an account and is back in 3 days posting the same shit. How is that any better than giving him a week or longer purgatory where he actually does take a break from posting?

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Coastal_elite posted...

Error1355 posted...

Let me guess, you guys are gonna go off on some asinine tangent saying the mods protect him while at the same time suspending him which is the harshest thing a moderator can do to a user account.

Alright, alright, addy is a tolerant, kind and charitative gentleman and a scholar, I'm sorry. Geez, calm down bro @_@

I dislike admiral as much as anyone does here and I'm always pleased to see him get put in time out, but not even missing, but blatantly ignoring error's point here is just asinine.
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I mean, we are talking about the same admin staff that refuses to ban tenured users that have repeatedly denied the holocaust, so maybe we shouldnt expect too much from them.
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The same people in this thread bitching about him not being banned are the same reason why he keeps posting on CE to rule these same people up.

A lot lot of people in this thread need to either ignore/block him, take a break from gamefaqs, or stop enabling him. Any one of those will at least be a reason for him to stop posting on CE. But yall wont cause you crave the attention just as much as he does.

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So what if we ban him he just makes a new account makes you look like the whiniest most useless moderation staff on the internet. You are basically openly broadcasting your impotence to the site and advising people of how easy it is to get around whatever you try to do to them as consequence for being shitty

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ultimate reaver posted...

So what if we ban him he just makes a new account makes you look like the whiniest most useless moderation staff on the internet. You are basically openly broadcasting your impotence to the site and advising people of how easy it is to get around whatever you try to do to them as consequence for being shitty

Mods can't ban. Blame the admins.
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PleaseClap posted...

I mean, we are talking about the same admin staff that refuses to ban tenured users that have repeatedly denied the holocaust, so maybe we shouldnt expect too much from them.

I mean there's long been suspicions about Allen's political leanings.
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Machete posted...

Coastal_elite posted...

Error1355 posted...

Let me guess, you guys are gonna go off on some asinine tangent saying the mods protect him while at the same time suspending him which is the harshest thing a moderator can do to a user account.

Alright, alright, addy is a tolerant, kind and charitative gentleman and a scholar, I'm sorry. Geez, calm down bro @_@

I dislike admiral as much as anyone does here and I'm always pleased to see him get put in time out, but not even missing, but blatantly ignoring error's point here is just asinine.

He is a gentleman and a scholar. Nothing to dislike

Error1355 posted...

Okay, cool.

So say the site does just outright ban him and he just makes an account and is back in 3 days posting the same shit. How is that any better than giving him a week or longer purgatory where he actually does take a break from posting?

I mean, presuming that the general rule that higher karma accounts are less likely to get banned (except in circumstances where posters are known long term racist trolls) persists, then those accounts will get banned more easily and over time he will hopefully give up. We could also up the karma limit for CE to ensure he and other such users are less easily able to shitpost here.

Error1355 posted...

The admins are not treating him any differently than other users either. Just because you guys are hyper focused on him doesn't mean he's being given any more leeway than others.

Moderators do not assign purgatories or bans. We suspend, admins handle from there. If an account is old and has a lot of karma it's more likely than not that the user is just going to get thrown into purgatory rather than an outright ban.

Well then this site needs some sort of function where we can hide a user's posts so we don't have to see them
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Coastal_elite posted...

Machete posted...

Coastal_elite posted...

Error1355 posted...

Let me guess, you guys are gonna go off on some asinine tangent saying the mods protect him while at the same time suspending him which is the harshest thing a moderator can do to a user account.

Alright, alright, addy is a tolerant, kind and charitative gentleman and a scholar, I'm sorry. Geez, calm down bro @_@

I dislike admiral as much as anyone does here and I'm always pleased to see him get put in time out, but not even missing, but blatantly ignoring error's point here is just asinine.

He is a gentleman and a scholar. Nothing to dislike

Yes, we know you are trolling. You don't need to reiterate it. That's something ROD would do and you aren't ROD so you doing it is inadvisable.
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ITT: Incoming Error melty
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I genuinely think Admiral would be less inclined to post knowing he got an old ass account that used to have mod status banned

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Well then this site needs some sort of function where we can hide a user's posts so we don't have to see them

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user/ignored

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user/blocked

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ASithLord7 posted...

Mods can't ban. Blame the admins.

Most impotent administration staff, whatever. I assume moderation has a process for requesting a ban to the admins because theres more of them and they are more likely to know when it needs to be done. If thats not the case this is even stupider than I thought

regardless of how you split it up banning and suspending people is a thing just about any site like this has to do, and whack a mole-ing resulting sock puppets is a common consequence. Rarely do I ever see its too haaaaard as an excuse, st least out in the open, for being lax with repeat offenders though. Any site staff Ive ever been on would have booted anyone who embarrassed them by saying that out loud

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CrimsonRage posted...

keepit in the general

What part of "not everyone can see the general" and "we want gamefaqs rules and not warned general rules" don't you people understand?

Some old ass 6k karma account posted like 8 consecutive huge posts of copy pasta holocaust denial with image links and everything a few months back and got like a month purgatory. They returned after, posted another such post and got like a 3 month purg. Idg what the benefit of keeping an obvious alt posting heinous shit around is.

Error1355 posted...

So say the site does just outright ban him and he just makes an account and is back in 3 days posting the same shit. How is that any better than giving him a week or longer purgatory where he actually does take a break from posting?

But Error, what's stopping him(or anyone really) from posting on an alt when purg'd? If it's not on the usermap anyway.

Yes it's up to Allen if someone gets banned or not, but a ban is the only true punishment. A purg is essentially saying "You're welcome back here...later". Exactly how many times do the same problem users have to get suspended before enough is enough?

A ban is at least inconvenient since you no longer have an old account to soak up suspensions(or at least not with as much karma).Shitposting on a new account gets you banned way faster.

But in the end, the mods can't do much about Allen being soft on trolls.
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imagine defending the admiral because you don't like me and/or think I am someone I am not, LOL. *directed at a specific poster here*

Coastal_elite posted...

@CrimsonRage posted...

keepit in the general

What part of "not everyone can see the general" and "we want gamefaqs rules and not warned general rules" don't you people understand?

Also just wanted to point out that comments like that are a waste since you can now click hide topic if you don't want to see this sort of thing.

(But also, what that dude said)
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Error1355 posted...

doesn't mean he's being given any more leeway than others.

Error1355 posted...

If an account is old and has a lot of karma it's more likely than not that the user is just going to get thrown into purgatory

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AssultTank posted...

You know, FrisbeeDude gets the same treatment as Admiral and I think he has spent less time out of purg in the last year than Admiral has...

Generally speaking, older accounts have value to the user, banning them is final and takes away any incentive that user had to behave. What tends to happen with people like Admiral and some others ITT is that they wait for their history to clear before jumping back into the same shit they did before.

This period of good behavior is exactly what Allen wants. If you ban an account, you take away the incentive to behave and wind up with someone who has no reason to not just spam alts and rule breaking content. Based on observational data this philosophy works...

Well then why is Hey no longer active here after losing hundreds or maybe thousands of accounts including tenured FrankIin? Why does 462 now behave himself mostly after losing over 100? Why does muffinz0rz cause less trouble now that he's lost half the NFL roster in accounts? And why does the user in post #177 now only dogwhistle troll me instead of full-on harassing me after losing a bunch of accounts for it?

Observational data for the banning argument shows that works as well. Just saying.
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AssultTank posted...

If you ban an account, you take away the incentive to behave and wind up with someone who has no reason to not just spam alts and rule breaking content

...so Boxxy impersoster then? Though isn't their actual main untouched?

Anyway, I don't agree with that sentiment. I'm not the one running a website though. Yes some people can improve, but others have no intention to. May as well just ban them.
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Machete posted...

Well then why is Hey no longer active here after losing hundreds or maybe thousands of accounts

Because the site has made it extremely difficult for the users who were making dozens of accounts at a time to get an active account again behind the scenes. Sure as shit wasn't because we kept suspending/banning him or the Switch board troll.

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Machete posted...

Why does muffinz0rz cause less trouble now that he's lost half the NFL roster in accounts?

I can't speak on this person's behalf but he's clearly changed nothing about his posting...
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Error1355 posted...

Machete posted...

Well then why is Hey no longer active here after losing hundreds or maybe thousands of accounts

Because the site has made it extremely difficult for the users who were making dozens of accounts at a time to get an active account again behind the scenes. Sure as shit wasn't because we kept suspending/banning him.

So why wouldn't that same thing work on admiral?
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AssultTank posted...

Honestly, the users you mentioned could still make more accounts, some just got bored because they can't do it en masse now.

Nothing would be stopping Admiral from making 1-2 new accounts a week and continuing his posting at a much higher frequency than he does now.

Well you said it yourself. Some got bored. The idea is for them all to get bored having to keep doing it manually. So at some point, it would be boredom that stopped him from doing that, like it did with the others.
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To the mods:

Hey guys, addy aside, what happened?

As of late (I can't quite say an exact date, maybe a month ago?) your behavior has changed. More and more moderations get dished out with no comment, and when contested they get upheld with no comment too. Some mods like (redacted) now are more open antagonizing posters (e.g. saying they have no life or that they have issues), and making fun of users or getting defensive when questioned. The topic "the moderation system is gabage" (or what it "the appeal system is garbage"? I forgot, but many mods posted there) is a good example.

This sort of stuff was unthinkable just a few months ago, what changed?

Not only am I the most active user here with the oldest account, I am also the best ToS following active user with the oldest account here on CE.

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AssultTank posted...

You know, FrisbeeDude gets the same treatment as Admiral and I think he has spent less time out of purg in the last year than Admiral has...

Generally speaking, older accounts have value to the user, banning them is final and takes away any incentive that user had to behave. What tends to happen with people like Admiral and some others ITT is that they wait for their history to clear before jumping back into the same shit they did before.

This period of good behavior is exactly what Allen wants. If you ban an account, you take away the incentive to behave and wind up with someone who has no reason to not just spam alts and rule breaking content. Based on observational data this philosophy works...

The good behavior isnt forever though.

Allen should start banning people because they know theyre getting slaps on the wrist. Its dumb.

They also should raise the level minimum here. Itd really help with people just spamming alts and maybe, just maybe, people will start acting like adults.

Of course those ideas are logical so of course GameFAQs wont do it.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

They also should raise the level minimum here. Itd really help with people just spamming alts and maybe, just maybe, people will start acting like adults.

Realistically what would really, REALLY help would be 2 things -

1) Consistent punishments:

If a 30 karma account says "triggered" it may get them suspended under certain contexts. But if a level 36 account says "lol that got you triggered, you dumb *****?" that may be a warn or less. It makes no sense to reward old accounts with more lenient punishments, it just encourages people to wait and then go full troll.

2) More reasonable punishments

People get warned or even sent to purg over silly stuff sometimes, and then some real messed up things are a notify without delete. There should be a clear, defined punishment for things. Saying "fuck you" to someone should always be more serious than say, replying "womp womp". Punishments need to be reasonable and in a sliding scale, and without regard to account age.

So many whiney brats and not enough paddles and Admirals. GameFAQs has truly gone to shit. So much hate that it couldn't even be contained in the General.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

They also should raise the level minimum here. Itd really help with people just spamming alts and maybe, just maybe, people will start acting like adults.

Case in point, the one above me.......

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It's been touched upon already, but one of the reasons you see older accounts stick to purgatory rather than banning is that their identity, their personal account that they are known for, is the strongest carrot that we have to dangle in front of someone to force them to behave. Once you take it away, there's nothing left to encourage good behavior.

You absolutely cannot treat all problematic users the same because they aren't the same. I saw mention of Hey earlier. People of that nature can't be treated in the same way as someone like The Admiral because they do things much differently. Hey was stopped by months and months of silent site updates to block each method used to create spam accounts. I have no reason to believe that Admiral would go down that kind of route, which is why he isn't treated the same way.

Having said that, he's been on an extremely slippery slope this year, and managing him via purgatories has gotten rather tedious. Since he's gotten himself suspended yet again, and the "good behavior" window has all but disappeared at this point, he's getting the boot. He almost got it a few months ago on a different suspension but the offense was so minor that a ban just didn't make sense. This time the punishment fits the crime, so that's that.

To those who think it should be a trivial process keeping someone away from the site, I would encourage you to do some research on just how easy it is to access anything you want to on the Internet. We can and certainly do things to slow people down (see: Hey), but if someone wants to be here, they are going to be here. That's all there is to it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely naive.

As for Admiral, I wouldn't start celebrating his banning if I were you. The carrot's gone, and he clearly likes CE. Guess we'll see what kind of person he is.

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HOOOLLLY SHIT

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Wait a second KyleALLEN, SBALLEN

Is there some sort of conspiracy going on here?

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I don't even know who this Veggeta X is

What was the reason for the latest suspension anyway?
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Shinnokxz posted...

I don't even know who this Veggeta X is

You lucky dog

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