Current Events > The Last Jedi really butchered people's expectations for Star Wars material.

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All this raving about The Mandalorian. Yeah, it's probably the best Star Wars thing in years but it's still just ok. Great visuals but 2 eps in a we still have no semblance of a plot. So it was literally just made for people who thought Boba Fett was cool looking and are willing to tune in to him mugging around.
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And deservedly so. I never considered Star Wars to be all that competent writing wise to begin with, there was never any nuance to be had, but they at least had consistent narrative structure. TLJ just seemed outright confused at certain points. And had so much PIS that I felt like I was watching a shitty JRPG play out.
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TLJ was dook butter
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lilORANG posted...

So it was literally just made for people who thought Boba Fett was cool looking and are willing to tune in to him mugging around.

If anything this is exactly the sort of thing to appeal to the people who hate TLJ, endless retreads of old characters

I really liked the first episode, however episode 2 felt like a got dang filler episode. The one revelation that we got could have been handled in 3 seconds with out getting there in the most convoluted possible.
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Star Wars is at its best when it's fun.

Which, TLJ wasn't, and The Mandalorian kinda is.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78172571

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I still think TLJ is fine as a stand-alone. As a sequel to VII, it kind of misses the mark. The whole sequel trilogy just has no continuity.

7 is all about getting to Luke, its played as as a huge dramatic moment. 8 then uses the moment for laughs by having luke toss the saber. Then the theme of 8 is letting the past die. And what do we have in episode 9? Surprise were bringing back the emperor, because of reasons. Like what is the long term vision for this trilogy?
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mew4ever posted...

Like what is the long term vision for this trilogy.

KK wanted to leave her *mark* on the industry, for better or worse, I think.

I'd say money too, but with how much fucking money she blew on all those unnecessary firings and reshoots on films...yeah, that definitely wasn't the worry this time.
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KillerSlaw posted...

KK wanted to leave her *mark* on the industry, for better or worse, I think.

who is kk

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The Last Jedi killed my dog and slashed my tires
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Doom_Art posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

KK wanted to leave her *mark* on the industry, for better or worse, I think.

who is kk

Kathleen Kennedy producer and leader of the Star Wars for now.
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I'm wondering what people think Kathleen Kennedy does exactly

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all of star wars is at best just good, the original trilogy are just pretty good adventure movies.

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People wanting plot in TM are crazy to me. I want to see more stories where the hero gets fed up and starts chasing after gigantic land rovers without any sort of forward thinking. No I don't want to see the silent badass bounty hunter kill everyone with ease, I want him to get stunlocked by a bunch of Jawas while a baby watches.
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I have no interest in seeing the next SW movies in theaters. I'll catch a rip of it when it comes to streaming services.
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Doom_Art posted...

I'm wondering what people think Kathleen Kennedy does exactly

Shes behind every wrong thing thats happened in the Star Wars sequels and the things I dislike about them. I dont know what shes produced before but I assume it was all trash or if they were good they succeeded despite her awfulness as a producer. Shes fat!
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Doom_Art posted...

I'm wondering what people think Kathleen Kennedy does exactly

Enlighten us, oh wise one. I know she fired Lord and Miller after they pretty much filmed 3/4 of Solo. I know she was apparently the one behind the massive reshoots for Rogue One. I know she was the one who championed Rian Johnson and his vision. I believe she basically created the current Star Wars story writing group.

But yeah, I might be missing some crucial things she did while being the President of Lucasfilm.
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TFA was interesting and I was wondering where the story was going to go. TLJ killed all that. As for other stuff, Rogue One didn't enchant me like it did most people. I thought it was kinda boring and forgettable and it feels like a movie just for fan service. Still haven't seen Solo and ROS, TM, and that Obi Wan series don't really interest me at all. I never thought I'd not be interested in SW ever.

I just think of my younger self who was so obsessed with SW. Now it's just another franchise or series that joins the list with the others that have been ruined for me.
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KillerSlaw posted...

I know she fired Lord and Miller after they pretty much filmed 3/4 of Solo

There's a bit more nuance to that than most people would like to think

KillerSlaw posted...

I know she was apparently the one behind the massive reshoots for Rogue One

Source?

And if so was that a negative thing? Most major hollywood films have reshoots during production.

KillerSlaw posted...

I know she was the one who championed Rian Johnson and his vision. I believe she basically created the current Star Wars story writing group.

If you have issues with the creative direction of the franchise then why would your ire not be directed towards the people actually making the creative decisions

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Doom_Art posted...

There's a bit more nuance to that than most people would like to think

Please enlighten me then, because you seem to always talk about the stuff "most people don't know" to imply they are wrong but then never actually elaborate.

Doom_Art posted...

Source?

And if so was that a negative thing? Most major hollywood films have reshoots during production.

Because it bloated the budget. Duh. You also make this excuse without even understanding the context behind it, you do it with Rise of Skywalker a lot without realizing that having reshoots to the very last minute of production on a post production heavy film isn't normal at all and is also very very costly.

Doom_Art posted...

If you have issues with the creative direction of the franchise then why would your ire not be directed towards the people actually making the creative decisions

It's almost like you can have issues with both the person that made the creative decisions, and the person who is in charge of everything and seemingly keeps letting these bad decisions happen. Crazy, right?

So, mind telling me all the good that Kathleen Kennedy does that you seem to always imply but never elaborate on?
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The sad thing is that the last jedi could be about rian Johnson taking a shit and it would still sell 1 billion.

Because everything with a Disney or a star wars or apple badge sells.
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Oh and as far as a source for the Rogue One reshoots, it's all over the place because different people involved say different things. It is one of those things that you kind of have to read between the lines to realize that it was a lot of trouble that, luckily in that case, paid off in the end. The problem wasn't so much the reshoots themselves for that film because it ended up becoming a success that most people at least enjoyed, but it's that because it worked for Rogue One it appears it became a defacto "fix" for all future films, which so far failed with Solo and the jury is still out on Rise of Skywalker.

This is the best article I've read on it without being total rumor and such, the fact that Ben Mendelsohn claims the reshoots could have 20-30 difference between scenes sort of sounds like the rumors about all the reshoots for Rise of Skywalker.

https://ew.com/movies/2018/04/05/rogue-one-reshoots-tony-gilroy/
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Why can't people just stay away from what they don't like?

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Veggeta X posted...

Why can't people just stay away from what they don't like?

*shrug*

I like discussing the decline of Star Wars. I'm not planning on watching Episode IX.
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Geesh man I mean are you even coming from a educational side of this?

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cjsdowg posted...

I really liked the first episode, however episode 2 felt like a got dang filler episode. The one revelation that we got could have been handled in 3 seconds with out getting there in the most convoluted possible.

Yeah that's how I felt. Episode 2 was a real bummer.

Veggeta X posted...

Geesh man I mean are you even coming from a educational side of this?

"a educational"

Now that's ironic.

Veggeta X posted...

Geesh man I mean are you even coming from a educational side of this?

Hating stuff is some of these people's identity
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Malfunction posted...

lilORANG posted...

So it was literally just made for people who thought Boba Fett was cool looking and are willing to tune in to him mugging around.

If anything this is exactly the sort of thing to appeal to the people who hate TLJ, endless retreads of old characters

Yet people were upset the TFA was a retelling of ANH.
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Star Wars is a kid's space adventure movie series. Rian Johnson decided not to stick to that and it didn't work out. Not every series needs to be intellectual or deep.

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I like the things they're doing with Star Wars that's outside of the sequel trilogy. I think it's interesting to see events that take place right after the Jedi Purge as well as showing what happens shortly after the events of RotJ.

My feelings about the ST are that I enjoyed The Force Awakens but by the end of The Last Jedi I realized that I didn't really care about any of the new characters and all of the old characters are well...


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Ironically Battlefront 2 had a great campaign that was probably the only Disney EU stuff I could tolerate so far at the moment.
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