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WastelandCowboy
11/06/19 12:32:19 AM
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https://www.npr.org/2019/11/05/776572408/virginia-democrats-flip-control-of-state-senate

Updated at 12:11 a.m. ET

Democrats had a strong Election Night on Tuesday, claiming victory in the race for governor in Kentucky and taking back full control of the Virginia legislature for the first time in nearly a quarter century.

With all precincts reporting in Kentucky, Democrat Andy Beshear is leading Kentucky Republican Gov. Matt Bevin by 5,333 votes. While the Associated Press says the race is too close call, Beshear declared victory but Bevin hinted he would request a recount or recanvass.

If Beshear's margin holds, it's a blow to President Trump, who rallied in the state for Bevin on the eve of the election.

Beshear, the Kentucky attorney general, was able to drive up turnout in the commonwealth's urban and suburban centers combined with stronger than expected numbers in some rural areas. His lead shows that voters are still willing to make a differentiation between state and federal races, even in a hyper partisan political environment.

"Our elections don't have to be about right versus left. They are still be about right versus wrong," Beshear said in his victory speech.

But Bevin's position also suggested there may be limits to Trump's typically uncanny ability to turn out his base for a specific candidate, especially as he now faces an impeachment inquiry in Congress. Kentucky is a GOP stronghold at the federal level, having gone for Trump by 30 points in 2016, but has a long history of electing Democratic lawmakers. When he won in 2015, Bevin was just the third Republican to be elected governor since World War II.

However, Kentucky Republicans won all of the state's other constitutional offices on Tuesday, further evidence that this contest was more of a referendum on Bevin than anything.

Bevin had made plenty of enemies while doing little to make friends. His approval ratings put him as one of the most unpopular governors in the country, and he only narrowly won his primary over a little-known opponent. He picked fights with and offended Kentucky teachers over pension reform, resulting in a major backlash, and also didn't build great relationships with even GOP state legislators.

Bevin heavily nationalized the race to try to win, touting himself as stridently anti-abortion and tough on illegal immigrants, with his ads showing menacing-looking gang members poring over U.S. borders. He heavily leaned into his support for Trump and opposition to impeachment.

Beshear's father, Steve Beshear, was a popular Democratic governor who preceded Bevin and had expanded Medicaid in Kentucky under the Affordable Care Act, which Bevin tried to roll back by implementing work requirements.
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WastelandCowboy
11/06/19 12:32:29 AM
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Overall, Beshear campaigned that he would restore "respect" and "Kentucky values" to the governor's office along with protecting Medicaid expansion and education funding, making the race a referendum on state and local issues, instead of the nationalized vote Bevin wanted.

In Virginia, Democrats' victories showed that the commonwealth is moving away from its swing state status and more firmly into the blue column. The legislative wins give Democrats unified control, as they now hold the governorship along with the Virginia General Assembly.

Those new Democratic majorities could lead to greater gun control measures, further expansions to Medicaid and a shot at becoming the final state needed to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment. New court-ordered lines redrawn earlier this year in the House helped Democrats flip the chamber, and now that they're in control, they can help firm up congressional and legislative lines in the future.

The battle for control of the statehouse in Virginia attracted big money some individual races have raised more than $2 million apiece and big names just last weekend Vice President Pence and former Vice President Joe Biden held events in the state for their respective parties.

Democrats were able to pull off the victory, despite scandals among the three top statewide officials in their party. Gov. Ralph Northam and Attorney General Mark Herring both admitted earlier this year to wearing blackface when they were younger, and two women have accused Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexual assault, which he denies.

Republicans did have a good night in Mississippi, keeping the open seat race in their column as Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves defeated Democratic Attorney General Jim Hood for the seat.

The race was closer than usual in Mississippi, with Hood playing up his conservative positions on abortion and guns while also campaigning to expand Medicaid in the state, which Reeves opposed.

But Reeves' campaign got a boost when President Trump campaigned in Tupelo, Miss., for him last Friday ahead of the election. The GOP also swept all the down-ballot races marking the first time since Reconstruction that Republicans will hold all statewide offices in Mississippi.
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BlackScythe0
11/06/19 1:14:38 AM
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The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.
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Zeus
11/06/19 1:34:22 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
If Beshear's margin holds, it's a blow to President Trump, who rallied in the state for Bevin on the eve of the election.


I loved the SNL skits on that line of thinking.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Bevin had made plenty of enemies while doing little to make friends. His approval ratings put him as one of the most unpopular governors in the country, and he only narrowly won his primary over a little-known opponent. He picked fights with and offended Kentucky teachers over pension reform, resulting in a major backlash, and also didn't build great relationships with even GOP state legislators.


Meanwhile when Dan Malloy was one of the least popular governors, he still won re-election in CT. >_>

WastelandCowboy posted...
Democrats were able to pull off the victory, despite scandals among the three top statewide officials in their party. Gov. Ralph Northam and Attorney General Mark Herring both admitted earlier this year to wearing blackface when they were younger, and two women have accused Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexual assault, which he denies.


The SNL skit about Democrats' problem with blackface was possibly one of my favorites this year.

BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.


...by which you mean it allows Democrats to gerrymander the state instead. XD

BlackScythe0 posted...
I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.


Of course not, because the man brings home the bacon.

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/mitch-mcconnell-earmark-spending-104503_Page2.html
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BlackScythe0
11/06/19 2:04:34 AM
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Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.


...by which you mean it allows Democrats to gerrymander the state instead. XD


Yep, as I understand it despite every lower court ruling against gerrymandering the supreme court has repeatedly overturned them to protect republican gerrymandering. If we are in a position where it's either be gerrymandered against or be gerrymandered for I'll take being on the winning side. I'll still think it's wrong, but if us winning can help get a court primarily concerned with the constitution who might be able actually do something about I'll take it.
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usranger13
11/06/19 2:20:14 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
court primarily concerned with the constitution

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streamofthesky
11/06/19 2:22:05 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(
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BlackScythe0
11/06/19 2:23:53 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(


Meh I keep seeing the news point to polls showing how unpopular he is, but they ignore that there is a big difference between a state election and a federal election. A democratic governor is going to operate under rather different politics than a democratic senator.
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streamofthesky
11/06/19 2:27:33 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(


Meh I keep seeing the news point to polls showing how unpopular he is, but they ignore that there is a big difference between a state election and a federal election. A democratic governor is going to operate under rather different politics than a democratic senator.

Governor and senator are both state-wide votes, not sure why one is so different from the other...
Of course, who's running matters, but Mitch is worse than dog shit, so if a decent Dem can beat an awful Repub for governor, not sure why the same can't happen for senator.
Or does Kentucky just intentionally send us their worst as a giant middle finger to the rest of the country?
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BlackScythe0
11/06/19 2:29:59 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(


Meh I keep seeing the news point to polls showing how unpopular he is, but they ignore that there is a big difference between a state election and a federal election. A democratic governor is going to operate under rather different politics than a democratic senator.

Governor and senator are both state-wide votes, not sure why one is so different from the other...
Of course, who's running matters, but Mitch is worse than dog shit, so if a decent Dem can beat an awful Repub for governor, not sure why the same can't happen for senator.
Or does Kentucky just intentionally send us their worst as a giant middle finger to the rest of the country?


I'm not talking about how they run. I'm talking about how they work while in office. A governor is just in the state. While the senator has to go work with the "coastal elites" that they HATE. I can't understand how much people around here hate "coastal elites".
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streamofthesky
11/06/19 2:36:50 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(


Meh I keep seeing the news point to polls showing how unpopular he is, but they ignore that there is a big difference between a state election and a federal election. A democratic governor is going to operate under rather different politics than a democratic senator.

Governor and senator are both state-wide votes, not sure why one is so different from the other...
Of course, who's running matters, but Mitch is worse than dog shit, so if a decent Dem can beat an awful Repub for governor, not sure why the same can't happen for senator.
Or does Kentucky just intentionally send us their worst as a giant middle finger to the rest of the country?


I'm not talking about how they run. I'm talking about how they work while in office. A governor is just in the state. While the senator has to go work with the "coastal elites" that they HATE. I can't understand how much people around here hate "coastal elites".

Or how they think NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, etc... aren't on "the coast" because it'd ruin their narrative

But yeah, sounds like what I was asking then. Intentionally sending a fuck wad to the Senate as an F-U to the rest of the country. And yet it's the liberals who are mean to them, according to them.
For example, I don't recall democrats ever passing a tax bill that was explicitly written to fuck over red states, like the Republicans did w/ the 2017 tax law, outright saying they were targeting the state and local taxes deduction b/c it would mainly "hurt blue states."
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Mead
11/06/19 2:42:26 AM
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zebatov
11/06/19 4:10:34 AM
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Are there more than just two parties to vote for down there?
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HornedLion
11/06/19 9:03:26 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.


Kentucky has failed us then. Only hope now is for the Dems to take back the senate. And though not impossible... its going to take a huge turn out.

Nevertheless, the dems win in Kentucky only means one thing... GOP will be searching for a way to purge more voters.
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Yellow
11/06/19 9:26:52 AM
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zebatov posted...
Are there more than just two parties to vote for down there?
In the US? Rarely.

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papercup
11/06/19 11:23:01 AM
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And Bevin is refusing to concede. What a fucking snowflake.
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BeerOnTap
11/06/19 2:06:29 PM
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So now our blackface wearing governor and his rapist lieutenant governor can attempt to run roughshod over our constitutional freedoms. They can push forward legislation to attempt to remove an inalienable right. They can push forth legislation to allow a baby who survived an abortion to die on the table (and before anyone says otherwise, yes, that is exactly what governor Ralph Blackface Northam was implying). They can tax and spend their way into making a once great state into a crap hole.
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Mead
11/06/19 2:33:08 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
So now our blackface wearing governor and his rapist lieutenant governor can attempt to run roughshod over our constitutional freedoms. They can push forward legislation to attempt to remove an inalienable right. They can push forth legislation to allow a baby who survived an abortion to die on the table (and before anyone says otherwise, yes, that is exactly what governor Ralph Blackface Northam was implying). They can tax and spend their way into making a once great state into a crap hole.


I cant imagine how pissed off youre gonna be a year from now lol
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BeerOnTap
11/06/19 2:38:42 PM
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Mead posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
So now our blackface wearing governor and his rapist lieutenant governor can attempt to run roughshod over our constitutional freedoms. They can push forward legislation to attempt to remove an inalienable right. They can push forth legislation to allow a baby who survived an abortion to die on the table (and before anyone says otherwise, yes, that is exactly what governor Ralph Blackface Northam was implying). They can tax and spend their way into making a once great state into a crap hole.


I cant imagine how pissed off youre gonna be a year from now lol


Well see what happens. This VA election is not at all a surprise. Its been trending this way long before Trump.

I think that if youre not disgusted by the notion that an objectively fully formed baby can be aborted moments before birth (as Kathy Tran and Governor Blackface proposed) theres something wrong with you.
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OrangeDawn
11/06/19 2:53:37 PM
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Good for Virginia. The people in Virginia haven't elected a republican in a state-wide contest in 10 years. Glad to see their state wide legislatures reflect that instead of gerrymandering giving it over to the republicans.
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Raddest_Chad
11/06/19 3:00:50 PM
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The Kentucky recount will mysteriously result in the GOP guy having more votes than the state has voters.
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OrangeDawn
11/06/19 3:01:22 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Mead posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
So now our blackface wearing governor and his rapist lieutenant governor can attempt to run roughshod over our constitutional freedoms. They can push forward legislation to attempt to remove an inalienable right. They can push forth legislation to allow a baby who survived an abortion to die on the table (and before anyone says otherwise, yes, that is exactly what governor Ralph Blackface Northam was implying). They can tax and spend their way into making a once great state into a crap hole.


I cant imagine how pissed off youre gonna be a year from now lol


Well see what happens. This VA election is not at all a surprise. Its been trending this way long before Trump.

I think that if youre not disgusted by the notion that an objectively fully formed baby can be aborted moments before birth (as Kathy Tran and Governor Blackface proposed) theres something wrong with you.

No reason to be that disgusted by it when like 99% of abortions happen before the 21st week anyway and the majority of the 1% that don't are for medical emergencies.
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Zeus
11/08/19 11:25:55 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(


Ted Cruz I can kinda understand, but why are you specifically against Mitch McConnel other than being a prominent Republican?
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BlackScythe0
11/09/19 4:59:13 AM
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Zeus posted...
Ted Cruz I can kinda understand, but why are you specifically against Mitch McConnel other than being a prominent Republican?


Ah, I see you're back to nonsense when it comes to politics. McConnel has devastated our political landscape with his divisive leadership.
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TyVulpine
11/09/19 5:33:10 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The Virginia win is huge. It prevent republicans from being able to gerrymander the state with the census results. So don't underrate how big this victory is for the next decade.

The Kentucky win is basically meaningless for democrats nationally. Republicans won 5/6 races in Kentucky comfortably. Seems the governor who lost just really sucked, and he lost by a very thin margin. I don't think this is a sign that evil turtle is going to struggle next year.

Damn it

Him and Ted Cruz are fucking vile, way worse than Trump

Really depressing knowing we'll never get rid of them :(

Democrats only need a +4 gain to get majority and then McTurtle wont be able to block Bills anymore.
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