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Lokarin
11/03/19 11:15:42 AM
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Jen0125
11/03/19 2:45:30 PM
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So here's my argument: black people can't swim

Lmao just kidding that's just a stereotype. I don't know why anyone is mad about black little mermaid. This guy really went into it.
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DDirtyDastard
11/03/19 3:15:08 PM
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Racist.
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wwinterj25
11/03/19 3:21:16 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I don't know why anyone is mad about black little mermaid.


I'm not mad but it does irk me when well established characters are changed just for the sake of it. This actress could have played a different mermaid. Why Arial? You can argue that's because this is a remake but that's already been changed so eh.

Edit: Making youtube videos ranting like this though is pathetic. Anything for subs/views.
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Mead
11/03/19 3:24:03 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
I don't know why anyone is mad about black little mermaid.


I'm not mad but it does irk me when well established characters are changed just for the sake of it. This actress could have played a different mermaid. Why Arial? You can argue that's because this is a remake but that's already been changed so eh.


Maybe she had the best audition and the choice was made on acting ability and not her skin color

Sometimes people are way too quick to assume something has been made diverse just for the sake of diversity
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wwinterj25
11/03/19 3:28:17 PM
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Mead posted...
Maybe she had the best audition and the choice was made on acting ability and not her skin color


Irrelevant. Ariel isn't black.

Mead posted...
Sometimes people are way too quick to assume something has been made diverse just for the sake of diversity


That's because it is. In other news look forward to white lead roles in Black Panther 2 and Blade sequels.
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Mead
11/03/19 3:53:41 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Irrelevant. Ariel isn't black.


Shes a fictional mythical creature

Loosen up my dude
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Bulbasaur
11/03/19 4:07:14 PM
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oh no are they making a live action little mermaid movie now
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LinkPizza
11/03/19 4:17:17 PM
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Its weird that people care about the skin color so much for a cartoon character, anyway. I mean, it really doesnt matter as long as the movie is good... And Id rather have a good actor than a shitty actor just because they look the most like the cartoon character...
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wwinterj25
11/03/19 4:19:39 PM
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Mead posted...
Shes a fictional mythical creature


Not sure how that changes anything.

Mead posted...
Loosen up my dude


Just saying opinions. That's how a discussion normally works.

Bulbasaur posted...
oh no are they making a live action little mermaid movie now


Why would they not?

LinkPizza posted...
Its weird that people care about the skin color so much for a cartoon character, anyway.


More to it than that as I've said above. It's also odd to make a "live action remake" but change things just because. Still yay for progression right?
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Raddest_Chad
11/03/19 4:26:50 PM
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This discussion reminds me of that meme with Ariana Grande where she used to look like the regular Little Mermaid and now looks like the new one.
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LinkPizza
11/03/19 4:28:58 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
More to it than that as I've said above. It's also odd to make a "live action remake" but change things just because. Still yay for progression right?

But thats you assuming its because of progression. If they had a bunch of shitty actors try out, and none worked, then they have to choose someone else. Maybe she just auditioned better than everyone else there. Maybe they just picked her because she was the best person to audition. And maybe they didnt care about the skin color at all because its a cartoon character. But they havent said anything about it yet, so Id probably save people getting angry until they know the actual reason...

But in the end, if people dont like that Ariels black, then dont see the movie. They always say to vote with your wallet, so do that. People who dont care about an actor being black can go see it. Idk. As long as its a good movie, its a good movie...
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wwinterj25
11/03/19 4:42:33 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
But thats you assuming its because of progression.


I have no other reason to assume these things when well established characters are changed for the sake of it.

LinkPizza posted...
And maybe they didnt care about the skin color at all because its a cartoon character.


Time for a white Aladdin and Mulan.

LinkPizza posted...
But in the end, if people dont like that Ariels black, then dont see the movie.


People are free to discuss whatever they please. I'll probably watch it at some point because nostalgia but this doesn't mean I must praise every choice that is made. If Aladdin and Mulan were changed to white folk I'd be irked too. Even more so if it's labelled as a remake.

LinkPizza posted...
As long as its a good movie, its a good movie...


That remains to be seen. However going by your logic if you're happy with what you see then go and see it and stop talking about it. Although that isn't good logic but still.
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LinkPizza
11/03/19 4:53:11 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
I have no other reason to assume these things when well established characters are changed for the sake of it.

Yeah. But its still an assumption. They could have others reasons. And maybe during an interview at some point in time, theyll explain it. So, Im just saying, maybe people shouldnt just assume...

wwinterj25 posted...
Time for a white Aladdin and Mulan.

Go for it. Like I said, I wouldnt care as long as the movie was good... Though, without Mushu, I probably wont see Mulan, tbh... I like that character. Plus, not really a live action remake sort of person. But if I hear good things, maybe Ill go watch it. Or something... No reason to completely write it off...

wwinterj25 posted...
People are free to discuss whatever they please. I'll probably watch it at some point because nostalgia but this doesn't mean I must praise every choice that is made.

You dont have to. Most people dont. But I think people should she the movie before totally bashing it to pieces...

wwinterj25 posted...
That remains to be seen. However going by your logic if you're happy with what you see then go and see it and stop talking about it. Although that isn't good logic but still.

Why do I have to stop talking about it. I hunk maybe you should. You seem to have no interest in it because of the characters race. If that bothers you so much, maybe you should stop talking about it. And I dont even know if Im going to see it. Live remakes arent always my thing. But I really dont see if it matters her skin color if the movie is good. The movie being good is really all that matters...
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wwinterj25
11/03/19 4:56:26 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
You seem to have no interest in it because of the characters race.


"I'll probably watch it at some point because nostalgia"

Yes I can see how that interpretation came about. Still this isn't a remake being as they have changed well established characters. A retelling or even reboot probably would be more fitting. Arial sure has undergone some changes here.

LinkPizza posted...
But I really dont see if it matters her skin color if the movie is good.


I've been over this. Make new characters and not change old ones if what I'm getting at. It shouldn't be that difficult.
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LinkPizza
11/03/19 7:54:23 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
You seem to have no interest in it because of the characters race.


"I'll probably watch it at some point because nostalgia"

Yes I can see how that interpretation came about. Still this isn't a remake being as they have changed well established characters. A retelling or even reboot probably would be more fitting. Arial sure has undergone some changes here.

Maybe theyre trying to start a Disney Cinematic Universe...

wwinterj25 posted...
I've been over this. Make new characters and not change old ones if what I'm getting at. It shouldn't be that difficult. I know this film will be praised for it's progression though no matter if it sucks or not.

Maybe they dont want to make new characters. Especially since the name of old characters is a draw for many people.
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 4:38:30 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Maybe they dont want to make new characters. Especially since the name of old characters is a draw for many people.


Well duh. It's more easy to be lazy and change existing characters. It's still not a move I like.
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The_tall_midget
11/04/19 4:47:19 PM
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*White person does anything that apparently has to do with another race *

Other races : THAT'S CULTURAL APPROPRIATION! YOU WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

*They turn a known character that has been Caucasian since its creation into another race because muh diversity*

Other races: WHY ARE YOU WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS OFFENDED?!
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 4:51:21 PM
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I mean I recall seeing all the dumb arse tweets praising the choice because Arial is at last black! Yet apparently race doesn't matter in a cartoon? I can already see the reviews praising this film for all the wrong reasons. Still the Disney remakes have been enjoyable for the most part so I hope this turns out better than I'm expecting.
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Mead
11/04/19 4:53:48 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
I mean I recall seeing all the dumb arse tweets praising the choice because Arial is at last black! Yet apparently race doesn't matter in a cartoon? I can already see the reviews praising this film for all the wrong reasons. Still the Disney remakes have been enjoyable for the most part so I hope this turns out better than I'm expecting.


Sounds like youve already preconstructed a nice little narrative about the situation in your mind
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 4:56:10 PM
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Mead posted...
Sounds like youve already preconstructed a nice little narrative about the situation in your mind


Based on the tweets I've seen I don't need to construct any type of narrative as it writes itself.
Still Javier Bardem is rumoured to play King Triton so that gives me hope. Melissa McCarthy as Ursula(another rumour) is a bit eh though.
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Mead
11/04/19 4:58:10 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Based on the tweets I've seen


By seen I think you mean looked for
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 4:59:59 PM
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Mead posted...
By seen I think you mean looked for


Actually Duckbear made a "news" topic on it a while back. Do keep up.
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Mead
11/04/19 5:05:16 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Mead posted...
By seen I think you mean looked for


Actually Duckbear made a "news" topic on it a while back. Do keep up.


Well if duckbear posted the tweets they must be an accurate depiction of what people really think

He wouldnt lie
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:11:39 PM
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We have these things called screenshots that duckbear provided. Amazing I know!
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Mead
11/04/19 5:12:28 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
We have these things called screenshots that duckbear provided. Amazing I know!

Mead posted...
Well if duckbear posted the tweets they must be an accurate depiction of what people really think

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The_tall_midget
11/04/19 5:13:45 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
We have these things called screenshots that duckbear provided. Amazing I know!


Don't ask too much winter.
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:25:16 PM
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Mead posted...
-snip-


So you're saying a screenshot of what someone actually typed isn't what they actually typed? Huh.
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LinkPizza
11/04/19 5:25:33 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Maybe they dont want to make new characters. Especially since the name of old characters is a draw for many people.


Well duh. It's more easy to be lazy and change existing characters. It's still not a move I like.

Well, not just that. But people know certain characters. And changing that can lose sales. Like with the Phoenix Wright games. They are good and sold well. When they started the next game, they used Apollo Justice as the new name. It apparently had trouble selling. Then the 5th & 6th games went back to Phoenix Wright and sold amazingly well. Changing the name loses money. So, why do it?
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:26:46 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
Don't ask too much winter.


I feel I do that most the time when I engage with some posters here.

LinkPizza posted...
Well, not just that. But people know certain characters. And changing that can lose sales.


That ship has already sailed though as you know they have changed the character. It's almost as if you're actually understanding why some folk don't like well established characters changed.
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LinkPizza
11/04/19 5:35:34 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
That ship has already sailed though as you know they have changed the character. It's almost as if you're actually understanding why some folk don't like well established characters changed.

Except they might not have. The only thing we know is different is the skin color. And that doesnt matter much, so...
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:36:26 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Except they might not have. The only thing we know is different is the skin color.


Does not compute.
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LinkPizza
11/04/19 5:37:47 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Except they might not have. The only thing we know is different is the skin color.


Does not compute.

Thats fine. But it was pretty easy to understand...
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:40:33 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/RHwtdhE.jpg

That's even more easy to understand.
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myghostisdead
11/04/19 5:44:05 PM
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I don't care what color she is. She is fictional. Maybe they should follow the camouflage of many fish and make her back dark and her front white.

I just want little kids to watch it and enjoy it.
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 5:46:53 PM
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myghostisdead posted...
I just want little kids to watch it and enjoy it.


They probably will regardless.
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EvilMegas
11/04/19 7:25:33 PM
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How are you this mad over a movie you were never going to see? lol
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EvilMegas
11/04/19 7:31:27 PM
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This is way past discussion.
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Lokarin
11/04/19 7:32:18 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
This is way past discussion.


Especially since I bet only Jen actually saw the video I linked
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wwinterj25
11/04/19 7:32:40 PM
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That's your interpretation.
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LinkPizza
11/05/19 1:21:13 AM
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Lokarin posted...
EvilMegas posted...
This is way past discussion.


Especially since I bet only Jen actually saw the video I linked

I watched it...
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WoIverine
11/05/19 1:29:18 AM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe she had the best audition and the choice was made on acting ability and not her skin color


Irrelevant. Ariel isn't black.

Mead posted...
Sometimes people are way too quick to assume something has been made diverse just for the sake of diversity


That's because it is. In other news look forward to white lead roles in Black Panther 2 and Blade sequels.
You white people have suffered so much already. And now all your roles are going to us minorities and yall are left dangerously underrepresented!

Oh the injustice of it all! *weeps*
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zebatov
11/05/19 2:33:13 AM
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To be fair, I hated it when they cast Maggie Gyllenhaal for Rachel Dawes in The Dark Knight because Katie Holmes chose to do another movie that nobody remembers. So yeah, its the principle. Nothing to do with colour.
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wolfy42
11/05/19 2:41:13 AM
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Ok, don't hate me for this, and this is just my personal opinion and taste.

I do not think black women look good with red hair. There are always exceptions of course, but in general.

Ariel should have red hair, it's pretty much iconic....and seems wrong for her not to.

Therefore, make her green or blue (red goes really well with both colors!!), I don't think yellow would work
very well, and I'm gonna nix purple (keep that for the sea witch), but dn't make her black...unless you do
some kinda cool obsidian black with a dark red maybe, but...that wouldn't be very playful.

Basically black + red can work if your aiming for sinister or a dark look, but I don't see it for cute at all, and it doesn't work in my mind to portray Ariel (although I must admit I have not seen the new look for her and my mind of course could be changed.
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Jen0125
11/05/19 9:17:25 AM
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Wolfy, to be blunt, no one gives a fuck about your opinion of the appearance of black women. The movie isn't for 40 year old single men to jerk off to. It's for kids.
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RCtheWSBC
11/05/19 9:22:25 AM
#47:


wolfy42 posted...
but dn't make her black...unless you do
some kinda cool obsidian black with a dark red maybe, but...that wouldn't be very playful.

Holy shit how dark do you think the actor's skin is?

wolfy42 posted...
although I must admit I have not seen the new look


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wwinterj25
11/05/19 1:37:36 PM
#49:


zebatov posted...
To be fair, I hated it when they cast Maggie Gyllenhaal for Rachel Dawes in The Dark Knight because Katie Holmes chose to do another movie that nobody remembers. So yeah, its the principle. Nothing to do with colour.


I don't like major changes to well established characters in anyway. Making new characters would be my preference.

wolfy42 posted...
I do not think black women look good with red hair. There are always exceptions of course, but in general.


Although I disagree with this(See Ember Moon as a example) I'm not even sure she'll have red hair in this to be honest.

Jen0125 posted...
It's for kids.


I believe they are more aimed at families personally but yeah little girls probably will get the most enjoyment out of it. I'll maybe go and see it with my Niece as she'll love it. Still nostalgia is a thing.
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LinkPizza
11/05/19 1:44:59 PM
#50:


wwinterj25 posted...
I'm not even sure she'll have red hair in this to be honest.

I think I saw some pictures where she had red hair, kind of. Like it wasnt a full red...
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wwinterj25
11/05/19 1:49:40 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
I think I saw some pictures where she had red hair, kind of. Like it wasnt a full red...


I always imagine Ariel to be ginger in a live action film for some reason.

Moc picture but:
https://i.imgur.com/3WKML6n.jpg

Might work....
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EvilMegas
11/05/19 2:31:59 PM
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Lol imagine being this upset still.
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