Current Events > >_> I might actually be a communist

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pls posted...

We could literally right now automate food and energy production/distribution.

We could just build a ton of farms/greenhouses that run on mostly software and produce high quality food, and drones/self-driving vehicles to drive them to community produce-hubs where you just let machines stock the vegetables and fruits.

And we could all have free energy and internet if we just worked on building a ton of renewables and network infrastructure everywhere.

The technology to do all this exists. Even self-driving trucks. We could structure the farms/greenhouses in such a way that it's a straight line drive to the hub that stores the produce. Self driving vehicles are great at simple straight lines and minimal turns/intersections.

@Godnorgosh

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pls posted...

We could just build a ton of farms/greenhouses that run on mostly software and produce high quality food, and drones/self-driving vehicles to drive them to community produce-hubs where you just let machines stock the vegetables and fruits.

The inherent problem with centrally-planned operations like this, is that they tell you want you're intended to want, instead of responding to what the marketplace actually wants.

It's fine of you're establishing a baseline parallel to a market, but attempting to replace the market entirely just leads to breadlines, and a (black) market establishing itself anyway.

Ah is it time for a proudclad gimmick shift?
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I eagerly look forward to your bed time.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

The inherent problem with centrally-planned operations like this, is that they you want you're intended to want, instead of responding to what the marketplace actually wants.

It's fine of you're establishing a baseline parallel to a market, but attempting to replace the market entirely just leads to breadlines, and a (black) market establishing itself anyway.

That's why we need to do it at a more communal or community level. If we decentralize the means of energy production, for example, by settling on things like solar panels and wind farms over centrally-located nuclear power plants...any community can build its own infrastructure and plug into a broader smart grid if desired.

Anyone else can continue to use the centrally-located power source if they want to.

Same concept applies to ISPs. You can continue to use Comcast if you want, but if some community collectively decides to build its own ISP that is better service and speed for a fraction of the cost, then great!

Little by little we decentralize things and remove the profit motive by making it inefficient to even profit anymore. Eventually we get Star Trek.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I eagerly look forward to your bed time.

Are you going to...tuck me in, senpai? *unzips*

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pls posted...

Are there any good city-planning games that could let someone build such a concept? Ideally with capabilities to play in first person after building the city, so you could begin to envision how such a society would look.

@Antifar I've seen you mention City Skylines before, does it fit this description?

@pls

The closest thing I can think of to this is Satisfactory

https://www.satisfactorygame.com/

Think of it like one of those idle games but instead of just clicking on buttons like a moron you have to actually plan out and ration space and engineer your production.

It's in first person as well.

Watch the videos they'll give you a good idea of how it works.

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Star Trek is communism in it's ideal perfect form. That form has never been achieved in the real world. Communism at least so far, is a failed system because humans are not ready for it

Zikten posted...

Star Trek is communism in it's ideal perfect form. That form has never been achieved in the real world. Communism at least so far, is a failed system because humans are not ready for it

Star Trek Federation isn't communism. There is no working class / plebeian / proletariat. There's no bourgeoisie either (at least not in the federation)

There's only private citizens, elected officials, and military.

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pls posted...

That's why we need to do it at a more communal or community level. If we decentralize the means of energy production, for example, by settling on things like solar panels and wind farms over centrally-located nuclear power plants...any community can build its own infrastructure and plug into a broader smart grid if desired.

Keeping as many of these things possible at the municipal or county level is the best solution, yes.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Keeping as many of these things possible at the municipal or county level is the best solution, yes.

Municipalities that have 100% solar panel rooftops end up being net negative energy, meaning they add more power to the grid than they consume.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Keeping as many of these things possible at the municipal or county level is the best solution, yes.

Which is imo a good argument against more nuclear. More nuclear by definition has to be centralized.

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pls posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I eagerly look forward to your bed time.

Are you going to...tuck me in, senpai? *unzips*

I guess I walked into that one.
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You either die a capitalist, or live long enough to see yourself become a communist
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Get 'em!

pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Keeping as many of these things possible at the municipal or county level is the best solution, yes.

Which is imo a good argument against more nuclear. More nuclear by definition has to be centralized.

Smaller municipal-scale nuke plants would make less of a mess when someone screws up.