I might actually be a communist

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pls 10/14/19 10:04:52 PM #1:	If you consider that technology will enable Star Trek which is distinctly more communistic than capitalistic, and if you consider that we are very close to starting our ascent to Star Trek as a species if we just play our cards right, then I'm basically a communist. I'm a fucking comrade. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928775752] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>If you consider that technology will enable Star Trek which is distinctly more communistic than capitalistic, and if you consider that we are very close to starting our ascent to Star Trek as a species if we just play our cards right, then I'm basically a communist. I'm a fucking comrade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/14/19 10:08:07 PM #2:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfJ_GQawZ8" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD-UK_zn3k" data-time=" --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://RightWingWatch.org/ https://youtube.com/CodyJohnston https://reddit.com/r/The_Mueller https://reddit.com/r/BreadTube <cite>Notti posted [p:928775874] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfJ_GQawZ8" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD-UK_zn3k" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 10/14/19 10:08:42 PM #3:	Can I use the replicator to create a cute anime gf? --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:928775908] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Can I use the replicator to create a cute anime gf?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 10/14/19 10:09:08 PM #4:	pls posted... If you consider that technology will enable Star Trek which is distinctly more communistic than capitalistic, and if you consider that we are very close to starting our ascent to Star Trek as a species if we just play our cards right, then I'm basically a communist. I'm a fucking comrade. Nah. Communism started cause people felt like capitalism could never take use there. If you think governments should encourage us getting there you might be an acceleration at though --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:928775931] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>If you consider that technology will enable Star Trek which is distinctly more communistic than capitalistic, and if you consider that we are very close to starting our ascent to Star Trek as a species if we just play our cards right, then I'm basically a communist. I'm a fucking comrade.</quote> Nah. Communism started cause people felt like capitalism could never take use there. If you think governments should encourage us getting there you might be an acceleration at though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FursonaNonGrata 10/14/19 10:09:32 PM #5:	Go back to your OG hardcore Christian gimmick Proudclad --- A.M.A.B. ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ <cite>FursonaNonGrata posted [p:928775946] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Go back to your OG hardcore Christian gimmick Proudclad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:10:36 PM #6:	I'm a fucking comrade. I'm a fucking comrade. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928775990] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>I'm a fucking comrade. I'm a fucking comrade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bladegash 10/14/19 10:11:31 PM #7:	AlisLandale posted... Can I use the replicator to create a cute anime gf? Just visit the holodeck comrade --- Snappin necks & Cashin checks <cite>bladegash posted [p:928776026] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Can I use the replicator to create a cute anime gf?</quote> Just visit the holodeck comrade</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/14/19 10:13:01 PM #8:	I guess you are what you eat --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:928776089] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>I guess you are what you eat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 10/14/19 10:16:00 PM #9:	Star Trek is definitely not communistical in nature because participation is voluntary. They have enough energy that people who don't really want to work don't have to. The crew of the Enterprise weren't gathered through a press gang. --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:928776235] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Star Trek is definitely not communistical in nature because participation is voluntary. They have enough energy that people who don't really want to work don't have to. The crew of the Enterprise weren't gathered through a press gang.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 10/14/19 10:23:21 PM #10:	Doesn't the Star Trek universe take place during a time in which energy and resources are essentially unlimited? There would be no market for such things if that was the case. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:928776551] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't the Star Trek universe take place during a time in which energy and resources are essentially unlimited? There would be no market for such things if that was the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 10/14/19 10:23:29 PM #11:	Fuparulez posted... Star Trek is definitely not communistical in nature because participation is voluntary. They have enough energy that people who don't really want to work don't have to. The crew of the Enterprise weren't gathered through a press gang. That's not an inherent part of communism, it's just what tends to happen because none of the communist countries that have existed so far are post-industrial, much less Star Trek level. Plus those governments were way more focused on being-non capitalist and authoritarian than they were with worker solidarity and all that jazz. Could be different when super robots are doing everything. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:928776558] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>Star Trek is definitely not communistical in nature because participation is voluntary. They have enough energy that people who don't really want to work don't have to. The crew of the Enterprise weren't gathered through a press gang.</quote> That's not an inherent part of communism, it's just what tends to happen because none of the communist countries that have existed so far are post-industrial, much less Star Trek level. Plus those governments were way more focused on being-non capitalist and authoritarian than they were with worker solidarity and all that jazz. Could be different when super robots are doing everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:26:24 PM #12:	Annihilated posted... Doesn't the Star Trek universe take place during a time in which energy and resources are essentially unlimited? There would be no market for such things if that was the case. Yeah, and I could really see us making huge strides towards that even in our lifetime. Lab-grown food, assembling atoms into crude objects / learning the ropes of replication, unlimited energy via fusion and renewables... --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928776693] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Doesn't the Star Trek universe take place during a time in which energy and resources are essentially unlimited? There would be no market for such things if that was the case.</quote> Yeah, and I could really see us making huge strides towards that even in our lifetime. Lab-grown food, assembling atoms into crude objects / learning the ropes of replication, unlimited energy via fusion and renewables...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 10/14/19 10:27:30 PM #13:	A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Trek) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:928776742] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Trek) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 10/14/19 10:28:26 PM #14:	pls posted... I'm a fucking comrade. I'm a fucking comrade. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:928776787] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a fucking comrade. I'm a fucking comrade.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:28:57 PM #15:	ssjevot posted... So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. Once we can reliably grow food with minimal inputs and harness tons of nearly free energy, the entire equation changes. Doubly so once we can get machines to mine asteroids for us. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928776808] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote> So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity.</quote> Once we can reliably grow food with minimal inputs and harness tons of nearly free energy, the entire equation changes. Doubly so once we can get machines to mine asteroids for us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/14/19 10:29:10 PM #16:	I think he finally broke <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:928776819] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>I think he finally broke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 10/14/19 10:30:10 PM #17:	Well we'll be dead long before any of that becomes feasible, so I recommend focusing on the world we currently reside in and letting our descendants deal with the implications (assuming we can even overcome the current problems of our world). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:928776852] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Well we'll be dead long before any of that becomes feasible, so I recommend focusing on the world we currently reside in and letting our descendants deal with the implications (assuming we can even overcome the current problems of our world). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:31:43 PM #18:	comrade fucking comrade i'm a comrade --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928776903] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>comrade fucking comrade i'm a comrade</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 10/14/19 10:34:21 PM #19:	ssjevot posted... A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:928777033] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote>A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. </quote> End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/14/19 10:34:39 PM #20:	All glory to the Party --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:928777047] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>All glory to the Party</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:36:53 PM #21:	legendary_zell posted... ssjevot posted... A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it. The major thing that makes it Not Actually Communism is that there's no point in even caring who owns what anymore. If you can spin up anything you want on demand or have access to whatever you want very easily, the concept of needing to protect your own property becomes deprecated. Whereas communism as it has been practiced has not really conceived of such a state of technological advancement, so they still insist on class theory and all that nonsense. Rather than trying to get us to the technological singularity. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928777144] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote>A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. </quote> End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it.</quote> The major thing that makes it Not Actually Communism is that there's no point in even caring who owns what anymore. If you can spin up anything you want on demand or have access to whatever you want very easily, the concept of needing to protect your own property becomes deprecated. Whereas communism as it has been practiced has not really conceived of such a state of technological advancement, so they still insist on class theory and all that nonsense. Rather than trying to get us to the technological singularity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 10/14/19 10:36:59 PM #22:	legendary_zell posted... End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it. And again, if we are post scarcity it is meaningless who owns it because all goods have a value of essentially zero. So capitalism, socialism, what you call communism here, are all economic systems designed for situations where scarcity exists. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:928777153] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it.</quote> And again, if we are post scarcity it is meaningless who owns it because all goods have a value of essentially zero. So capitalism, socialism, what you call communism here, are all economic systems designed for situations where scarcity exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/14/19 10:40:08 PM #24:	Godnorgosh posted... What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928777317] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP.</quote> You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/14/19 10:41:01 PM #26:	CrimsonRage posted... it took a while, but the propaganda is finally breaking through. rejoice comrades! FFFFFFF COMRADE FFFFFFFF --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928777358] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>it took a while, but the propaganda is finally breaking through. rejoice comrades!</quote> FFFFFFF COMRADE FFFFFFFF</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/14/19 10:43:39 PM #27:	com....rades --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928777494] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>com....rades</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 10/14/19 10:43:53 PM #28:	pls posted... com....rades Shut up and dribble --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:928777505] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>com....rades</quote> Shut up and dribble</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 10/14/19 10:44:55 PM #29:	Traitor Liberty Prime will be paying you a visit. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/8tc5P9i.jpg That's America's ass <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:928777564] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Traitor Liberty Prime will be paying you a visit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/14/19 10:49:06 PM #31:	Godnorgosh posted... pls posted... Godnorgosh posted... What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism. That sounds like averagejoel stuff. I don't even do that because I don't conflate those places with the communism of Marx. You've definitely done it, buddy. Multiple times. --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928777767] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP.</quote> You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism.</quote> That sounds like averagejoel stuff. I don't even do that because I don't conflate those places with the communism of Marx.</quote> You've definitely done it, buddy. Multiple times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/14/19 11:08:35 PM #33:	Godnorgosh posted... pls posted... Godnorgosh posted... pls posted... Godnorgosh posted... What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism. That sounds like averagejoel stuff. I don't even do that because I don't conflate those places with the communism of Marx. You've definitely done it, buddy. Multiple times. If you're talking about the China stuff, that's just because I enjoy fucking with you. unzips --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928778806] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP.</quote> You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism.</quote> That sounds like averagejoel stuff. I don't even do that because I don't conflate those places with the communism of Marx.</quote> You've definitely done it, buddy. Multiple times.</quote> If you're talking about the China stuff, that's just because I enjoy fucking with you.</quote> unzips</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 10/16/19 6:15:27 PM #35:	I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people. --- take me somewhere nice <cite>EverDownward posted [p:928855526] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/16/19 6:19:07 PM #36:	Pfft. Who had more money? The federation or the ferengi? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:928855693] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Pfft. Who had more money? The federation or the ferengi? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/16/19 6:19:53 PM #37:	EverDownward posted... I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people. Uh wrong, there are way more than two --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928855728] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>EverDownward posted... </cite> <quote>I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people.</quote> Uh wrong, there are way more than two </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/16/19 6:20:40 PM #38:	Tyranthraxus posted... Pfft. Who had more money? The federation or the ferengi? It's not the question of who had more money, but rather who needed money more. The Federation is free from those shackles, the Ferengi adorn them for kicks. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:928855758] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Pfft. Who had more money? The federation or the ferengi? </quote> It's not the question of who had more money, but rather who needed money more. The Federation is free from those shackles, the Ferengi adorn them for kicks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 10/16/19 6:20:53 PM #39:	pls posted... EverDownward posted... I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people. Uh wrong, there are way more than two I'll believe it when people stop disappointing me. --- take me somewhere nice <cite>EverDownward posted [p:928855768] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>EverDownward posted... </cite> <quote>I'm convinced there are maybe two people on this forum that aren't playing some con game / gimmick, and I'm one of those two people.</quote> Uh wrong, there are way more than two </quote> I'll believe it when people stop disappointing me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 10/16/19 6:21:15 PM #40:	Do the own the means of production in Star trek? Also, they do have energy rations in some sense right? At least, the federation workers do --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:928855784] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Do the own the means of production in Star trek? Also, they do have energy rations in some sense right? At least, the federation workers do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/16/19 7:59:11 PM #41:	emblem boy posted... Do the own the means of production in Star trek? Also, they do have energy rations in some sense right? At least, the federation workers do Star Trek is post scarcity. The means of production is irrelevant, limitless, requires no labor, and can meet everyone's needs at no cost. It's like asking who owns breathable air. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:928859648] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>emblem boy posted... </cite> <quote>Do the own the means of production in Star trek? Also, they do have energy rations in some sense right? At least, the federation workers do</quote> Star Trek is post scarcity. The means of production is irrelevant, limitless, requires no labor, and can meet everyone's needs at no cost. It's like asking who owns breathable air. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/16/19 8:03:11 PM #43:	Tyranthraxus posted... Star Trek is post scarcity. The means of production is irrelevant, limitless, requires no labor, and can meet everyone's needs at no cost. It's like asking who owns breathable air. Yeah and unfortunately, communists like @Godnorgosh couldn't actually care less about getting to such a state. They'd rather just live in a society where the workers own the means of production because they have a bizarre fixation on the workers needing to own the means of production. They'd probably consider a post scarcity society to be anti worker or something stupid like that. --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928859820] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Star Trek is post scarcity. The means of production is irrelevant, limitless, requires no labor, and can meet everyone's needs at no cost. It's like asking who owns breathable air.</quote> Yeah and unfortunately, communists like @Godnorgosh couldn't actually care less about getting to such a state. They'd rather just live in a society where the workers own the means of production because they have a bizarre fixation on the workers needing to own the means of production. They'd probably consider a post scarcity society to be anti worker or something stupid like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/16/19 8:08:06 PM #45:	Godnorgosh posted... No, a Star Trek-like post-labor society would be nice. Capitalism will sooner drive us toward extinction than that, however. If only we could just seize the means of production and threaten dissenters with life in the gulag! We'd have Star Trek just like Marx envisioned. --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928860003] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>No, a Star Trek-like post-labor society would be nice. Capitalism will sooner drive us toward extinction than that, however.</quote> If only we could just seize the means of production and threaten dissenters with life in the gulag! We'd have Star Trek just like Marx envisioned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 10/16/19 8:15:24 PM #46:	pls posted... I'm basically a communist. Welcome, and glad to have you aboard, comrade. I have personally been assigned to oversee your lesson in means of production seizing, so get a good night's sleep and report to me tomorrow at 1100 hours (my means of production seizing skills have been assessed as exemplary and top tier by the party, so I am afforded the luxury to sleep in, as are any and all comrades serving under my command...) --- https://talktotransformer.com The Internet is kind of the whole ****ing Internet. <cite>Machete posted [p:928860319] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>I'm basically a communist.</quote> Welcome, and glad to have you aboard, comrade. I have personally been assigned to oversee your lesson in means of production seizing, so get a good night's sleep and report to me tomorrow at 1100 hours (my means of production seizing skills have been assessed as exemplary and top tier by the party, so I am afforded the luxury to sleep in, as are any and all comrades serving under my command...)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/16/19 8:16:23 PM #47:	Machete posted... Welcome, and glad to have you aboard, comrade. I have personally been assigned to oversee your lesson in means of production seizing, so get a good night's sleep and report to me tomorrow at 1100 hours (my means of production seizing skills have been assessed as exemplary and top tier by the party, so I am afforded the luxury to sleep in, as are any and all comrades serving under my command...) Will need hot pics of you PM'd immediately, otherwise I'm requesting another teacher, comrade --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928860360] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>Welcome, and glad to have you aboard, comrade. I have personally been assigned to oversee your lesson in means of production seizing, so get a good night's sleep and report to me tomorrow at 1100 hours (my means of production seizing skills have been assessed as exemplary and top tier by the party, so I am afforded the luxury to sleep in, as are any and all comrades serving under my command...)</quote> Will need hot pics of you PM'd immediately, otherwise I'm requesting another teacher, comrade </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 10/16/19 8:19:21 PM #48:	Star Trek world can exist for some people and I know for a fact middle class Americans know that >_>; But it's a finite resource --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:928860494] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Star Trek world can exist for some people and I know for a fact middle class Americans know that >_>; But it's a finite resource</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/17/19 11:50:27 AM #49:	ssjevot posted... A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Trek) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. Add in the rank structure of a typical navy vessel, and post-scarcity does begin to look a lot like idealized communism. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:928883339] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote>A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Trek) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. </quote> Add in the rank structure of a typical navy vessel, and post-scarcity does begin to look a lot like idealized communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/17/19 11:57:51 AM #50:	We could literally right now automate food and energy production/distribution. We could just build a ton of farms/greenhouses that run on mostly software and produce high quality food, and drones/self-driving vehicles to drive them to community produce-hubs where you just let machines stock the vegetables and fruits. And we could all have free energy and internet if we just worked on building a ton of renewables and network infrastructure everywhere. The technology to do all this exists. Even self-driving trucks. We could structure the farms/greenhouses in such a way that it's a straight line drive to the hub that stores the produce. Self driving vehicles are great at simple straight lines and minimal turns/intersections. --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928883614] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>We could literally right now automate food and energy production/distribution. We could just build a ton of farms/greenhouses that run on mostly software and produce high quality food, and drones/self-driving vehicles to drive them to community produce-hubs where you just let machines stock the vegetables and fruits. And we could all have free energy and internet if we just worked on building a ton of renewables and network infrastructure everywhere. The technology to do all this exists. Even self-driving trucks. We could structure the farms/greenhouses in such a way that it's a straight line drive to the hub that stores the produce. Self driving vehicles are great at simple straight lines and minimal turns/intersections. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/17/19 11:58:38 AM #51:	Are there any good city-planning games that could let someone build such a concept? Ideally with capabilities to play in first person after building the city, so you could begin to envision how such a society would look. @Antifar I've seen you mention City Skylines before, does it fit this description? --- Do good. <cite>pls posted [p:928883649] in >_> ... [t:78086658]...</cite> <quote>Are there any good city-planning games that could let someone build such a concept? Ideally with capabilities to play in first person after building the city, so you could begin to envision how such a society would look. @Antifar I've seen you mention City Skylines before, does it fit this description? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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