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pls
10/13/19 3:50:06 PM
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https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sites/ocasio-cortez.house.gov/files/A%20Just%20Society-%20The%20Embrace%20Act.pdf

(a) IN GENERAL.Notwithstanding any other provi-
4 sion of law (including title IV of the Personal Responsi-
5 bility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996
6 (8 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)), an individual who is an alien
7 (without regard to the immigration status of that alien)
8 may not be denied any Federal public benefit solely on
9 the basis of the individuals immigration status.
10 (b) DEFINITION.For purposes of this section, the
11 term Federal public benefit means
12 (1) any grant, contract, loan, professional li-
13 cense, or commercial license provided by an agency
14 of the United States or by appropriated funds of the
15 United States; and
16 (2) any retirement, welfare, health, disability,
17 public or assisted housing, postsecondary education,
18 food assistance, unemployment benefit, or any other
19 similar benefit for which payments or assistance are
20 provided to an individual, household, or family eligi-
21 bility unit by an agency of the United States or by
22 appropriated funds of the United States.


...yikes. So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.

This + her interest in open borders shows that her vision for American society really would bankrupt us and destabilize everything we know.
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bover_87
10/13/19 3:50:49 PM
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oh look joeseph mccarthy's ghost is back

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mattnd2007
10/13/19 3:50:54 PM
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Yeah I mean AOC is cray cray

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FursonaNonGrata
10/13/19 3:52:40 PM
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Shut the fuck up TC
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pls
10/13/19 3:53:49 PM
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Not sure why posts 2 and 4 are deflecting this hard from the content of the bill she is proposing.
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Machete
10/13/19 3:53:57 PM
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*rolls eyes at tc*
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pls
10/13/19 3:54:15 PM
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Machete posted...
*rolls eyes at tc*


Look at the bill, it isn't much to read.
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ThePrinceFish
10/13/19 3:55:48 PM
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pls posted...
Not sure why posts 2 and 4 are deflecting this hard from the content of the bill she is proposing.

Not many leftists here who want to get into the business of trying to defend the indefensible. Expect many attacks on your character though.
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thrashmetal14
10/13/19 3:55:48 PM
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Where is the line drawn? Like, can any non-citizen in the World qualify for benefits or is it only open to Mexicans?
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pls
10/13/19 3:56:17 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
pls posted...
Not sure why posts 2 and 4 are deflecting this hard from the content of the bill she is proposing.

Not many leftists here who want to get into the business of trying to defend the indefensible. Expect many attacks on your character though.


Indeed. Terrible.
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Machete
10/13/19 3:56:34 PM
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pls posted...
Machete posted...
*rolls eyes at tc*


Look at the bill, it isn't much to read.


lmao
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BilalPowell
10/13/19 3:56:47 PM
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If Bernie were a young woman, he'd be AOC.
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pls
10/13/19 3:58:18 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
If Bernie were a young woman, he'd be AOC.


Yeah if he or Warren support this, I'm not voting for them. I've already donated/committed to voting for one of them solely because of the climate crisis. But this is too much.
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thrashmetal14
10/13/19 3:59:35 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Illegal aliens pay taxes too


Some do, some don't.
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uwnim
10/13/19 4:00:16 PM
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That doesn't really seem like a good idea.
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pls
10/13/19 4:00:19 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
pls posted...
...yikes. So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.

Illegal aliens pay taxes too


From all that under the table pay? Not likely that it's going to be enough to make this sustainable.

Also consider the ones who are coming illegally without any work opportunities secured or available.

There is no way this can be done sustainably. It is going to require redistribution of citizen wealth to non-citizens.
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Machete
10/13/19 4:01:24 PM
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pls posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
pls posted...
...yikes. So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.

Illegal aliens pay taxes too


From all that under the table pay? Not likely that it's going to be enough to make this sustainable.

Also consider the ones who are coming illegally without any work opportunities secured or available.

There is no way this can be done sustainably. It is going to require redistribution of citizen wealth to non-citizens.


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MrToothHasYou
10/13/19 4:01:25 PM
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Seems reasonable to me

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ColdOne666
10/13/19 4:01:30 PM
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AOC is such an idiot.

Thankfully this aweful bill has no chance of passing.
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BilalPowell
10/13/19 4:01:32 PM
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You'd think legal immigrants would be the ones fighting the hardest to deport illegal immigrants.
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pls
10/13/19 4:02:01 PM
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uwnim posted...
That doesn't really seem like a good idea.


The left has gone off the deep end. It is just completely unreasonable. Thankfully Bernie said he opposes open borders and I would hope he opposes this too.

Can have a welfare state or open borders. Not both.
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pls
10/13/19 4:03:35 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
Seems reasonable to me


It isn't.

BilalPowell posted...
You'd think legal immigrants would be the ones fighting the hardest to deport illegal immigrants.


We are. (I'm the first born in the states from my family but everyone else in my family immigrated here legally. So did most of the community we are a part of.)

Illegal immigration is awful. I'm still waiting for family including two siblings to get their papers done and everything, and instead AOC just wants to roll out the red carpet for anyone who can walk in illegally.
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Jiek_Fafn
10/13/19 4:04:10 PM
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What's the benefit of being a legal citizen if this goes through?
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/13/19 4:04:22 PM
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I'm slightly confused.
I'm not American so keep that in mind.

She wants to give benefits to those who are there illegally.
But isn't it a crime ot be there illegally? So when Illegal Man asks for a handout, won't the gubberment just say "Illegal Man, you're here illegally, the cops are here too, bye?"
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Tmaster148
10/13/19 4:04:39 PM
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I'm sure TC actually understood the bill. Since he's shown to know what words mean in the past.
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pls
10/13/19 4:05:47 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
What's the benefit of being a legal citizen if this goes through?


The radical left doesn't want there to be any benefit to being a citizen. They don't want borders either.
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thrashmetal14
10/13/19 4:05:48 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
I'm slightly confused.
I'm not American so keep that in mind.

She wants to give benefits to those who are there illegally.
But isn't it a crime ot be there illegally? So when Illegal Man asks for a handout, won't the gubberment just say "Illegal Man, you're here illegally, the cops are here too, bye?"


Saying someone is in a country illegally is racist. No human being is ILLEGAL
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sktgamer_13dude
10/13/19 4:09:30 PM
#29:


pls posted...
Jiek_Fafn posted...
What's the benefit of being a legal citizen if this goes through?


The radical left doesn't want there to be any benefit to being a citizen. They don't want borders either.

Just how like the right wants everyone to be white.

See, I can post dumb shit too. Now shut the fuck up McCarthey.
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pls
10/13/19 4:13:08 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Nice


YIKES
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Annihilated
10/13/19 4:14:13 PM
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She is a traitor, this is what she does. Also I like your use of "illegal aliens" as kind of a middle finger to New York trying to ban those words.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/13/19 4:14:34 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
I'm slightly confused.
I'm not American so keep that in mind.

She wants to give benefits to those who are there illegally.
But isn't it a crime ot be there illegally? So when Illegal Man asks for a handout, won't the gubberment just say "Illegal Man, you're here illegally, the cops are here too, bye?"

So will anyone answer this or just pointless trolling among yourselves?
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pls
10/13/19 4:15:03 PM
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Annihilated posted...
She is a traitor, this is what she does. Also I like your use of "illegal aliens" as kind of a middle finger to New York trying to ban those words.


Yeah the ban on that speech in any capacity is traitorous, but the real reason was because the document itself uses it and the word immigrant wouldn't have fit in the topic title.
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Annihilated
10/13/19 4:16:14 PM
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pls posted...
Annihilated posted...
She is a traitor, this is what she does. Also I like your use of "illegal aliens" as kind of a middle finger to New York trying to ban those words.


Yeah the ban on that speech in any capacity is traitorous, but the real reason was because the document itself uses it and the word immigrant wouldn't have fit in the topic title.


I didn't realize that. This just makes the ban even more ridiculous, lol
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pls
10/13/19 4:16:42 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
I'm slightly confused.
I'm not American so keep that in mind.

She wants to give benefits to those who are there illegally.
But isn't it a crime ot be there illegally? So when Illegal Man asks for a handout, won't the gubberment just say "Illegal Man, you're here illegally, the cops are here too, bye?"

So will anyone answer this or just pointless trolling among yourselves?


Basically it means that if anyone can sneak in, they can apply for those programs without proving they are citizens when they otherwise would need to be a citizen to get the benefits.

It would be a massive wealth transfer from the people paying taxes to a growing pot of people who intend to come here just to take advantage of the welfare benefits.
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Questionmarktarius
10/13/19 4:17:24 PM
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Soon:
US population: 7 billion
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Tyranthraxus
10/13/19 4:18:58 PM
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pls posted...
So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.
Why does it matter that it's with our tax dollars?

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ThePrinceFish
10/13/19 4:19:53 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
I'm slightly confused.
I'm not American so keep that in mind.

She wants to give benefits to those who are there illegally.
But isn't it a crime ot be there illegally? So when Illegal Man asks for a handout, won't the gubberment just say "Illegal Man, you're here illegally, the cops are here too, bye?"

So will anyone answer this or just pointless trolling among yourselves?

I fucking wish that the government went "illegal man, you're here illegally the cops are here too, bye" but illegal aliens do not live hidden lives in America. We have immigration activists who flaunt their illegal status on national news and it's not like the cops head to the studio to pick them up.
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Tyranthraxus
10/13/19 4:20:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Soon:
US population: 7 billion
Simultaneously:
US Annual GDP: $88 Trillion

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pls
10/13/19 4:20:30 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
pls posted...
So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.
Why does it matter that it's with our tax dollars?


You want to bust your ass to fund someone else's life? In the context where this will invite in basically everyone (keep in mind she and her supporters want open borders)
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pls
10/13/19 4:21:21 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Soon:
US population: 7 billion
Simultaneously:
US Annual GDP: $88 Trillion


And you think that this much gdp means what exactly? That we can just open the borders, house everyone, and give everyone welfare benefits? What is your point exactly?
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Machete
10/13/19 4:21:33 PM
#43:


ThePrinceFish posted...
We have immigration activists who flaunt their illegal status on national news


fucking good
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Annihilated
10/13/19 4:23:04 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
pls posted...
So basically she wants to expand the welfare state to cover illegals. Using our tax dollars.
Why does it matter that it's with our tax dollars?


...Because we paid them?

Tyranthraxus posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Soon:
US population: 7 billion
Simultaneously:
US Annual Debt: $88 Trillion


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pls
10/13/19 4:23:16 PM
#45:


Machete posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
We have immigration activists who flaunt their illegal status on national news


fucking good


Nope. They need to be deported.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/13/19 4:23:32 PM
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Don't you have the SSN? You don't need it for social benefits? Or can you get one when you're an illegal?

I'm sorry it's just completely different here. Here you either are here illegally and get nothing legally and have to use someone else's data
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10/13/19 4:23:34 PM
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Damn_Underscore
10/13/19 4:24:08 PM
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The ban on using illegal alien as an insult was seriously overreacted to by the media. It applies to employers, business owners, etc., not the general public. And it only applies when used as an insult.

I think if someone pays taxes, they should be able to get benefits like this. However, I have no idea how you would document all this for someone who is here illegally. Also this bill was created by someone who wants open borders so I will not give it the benefit of the doubt.
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10/13/19 4:24:24 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
Don't you have the SSN? You don't need it for social benefits? Or can you get one when you're an illegal?

I'm sorry it's just completely different here. Here you either are here illegally and get nothing legally and have to use someone else's data


She doesn't say how it would be implemented, just that you could get the benefits even if you are illegal. Presumably this means the applications would no longer involve any information specific to citizenship and you could just get benefits.
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Tyranthraxus
10/13/19 4:24:34 PM
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pls posted...
You want to bust your ass to fund someone else's life? In the context where this will invite in basically everyone (keep in mind she and her supporters want open borders)
I'm not funding anyone's life. I'm funding the US Government. The government spends that money on things that benefit people who are not me but they spend a lot more on things that benefit me so it all works out in my favor anyway.

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