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Nope. He is nitpicking and biased

haven't watched it yet though
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All of these complaints are entirely correct, yet also the exact reasons Dragonquest fans keep coming back.

lol
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I dont like when he tries to be a serious reviewer. Is that what hes doin? Didnt watch yet.

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LLKoolJosh posted...

I dont like when he tries to be a serious reviewer. Is that what hes doin? Didnt watch yet.

Its like half-and-half.
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i like That he cant deny how charming the game is but I find it silly that he basically admits he avoided leveling for the first half of the game and then hit a wall during the second half. Of course youre going to hit some snags lol

dunkeys jrpg reviews are fine because theyre basically how most people approach the genre tbh. Its something thats becoming more and more lost to time

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He's right about the rpgs though. They don't need to be anywhere near that level of grindyness.

He's right about the RPGs though. They don't need to be anywhere near that level of grindyness.

ultimate reaver posted...

i like That he cant deny how charming the game is but I find it silly that he basically admits he avoided leveling for the first half of the game and then hit a wall during the second half. Of course youre going to hit some snags lol

dunkeys jrpg reviews are fine because theyre basically how most people approach the genre tbh. Its something thats becoming more and more lost to time

I respect his honesty. Most reviewers would talk about hitting walls and completely omit if it was cause they skipped a bunch of fights. With Dunkey, you know he's being straight up with how he plays and prefers games.

He nailed it with his video about knowing your reviewers and their tastes so that you know how it syncs up with your own. He basically spells it out for people that he will always be harder on JRPGs cause they're not his thing. And they aren't mine anymore either, so I know when he recommends one, I might actually like it to.
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that's about as good a review you can hope for honestly

i also agree with him a fair bit. dragon quest combat feels really stale at this point. they've tried to supplement it with minor additions over the years like the tension and pep systems, but there's really not a whole lot to it.

but i also feel like he'd complain about turn based combat no matter how much depth it had
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Everything he said is exactly how I feel about these type of games

You know what bothers me is when dragon quest is judged as a jrpg for the whole genre.

I mean yeah technically it IS but there's a huge difference between FF 6, one of the greatest games of all time and all 11 intentionally outdated terrible dragon quest games.

One features character development, a fun battle and leveling system, a captivating story, and the other is a series the Japanese love that intentionally does not want to have character development or a fun battle system like magicite in ff6. Hell for the longest time battles were in first person, the worst camera mode of all time! You can't get much worse than that. Hell once upon a time they were gonna make dq9 a fun action rpg but the Japanese were actually in an uproar over that (can you believe it??!!) and insisted they change it back to a boring turn based Rpg.

Nothing wrong with turn based rpgs as ff 4-10 have shown, but these games also add an extra oomph to the mechanics that make battles and leveling incredibly fun. Hell ff 5 alone makes me gleeful when I get exp, and job points, and more, and it's all done with somewhat likable characters. Even with dq tries to do job system it's just so boring.

I actually enjoyed rpgs once upon a time but dq is like none of those, it intentionally has inconveniences the other jrpgs improved upon long ago, from the fricking snes era. And yet the Japanese are still obsessed with it. Don't know what that says about them.

Amenadeel posted...

You know what bothers me is when dragon quest is judged as a jrpg for the whole genre.

I mean yeah technically it IS but there's a huge difference between FF 6, one of the greatest games of all time and all 11 intentionally outdated terrible dragon quest games.

One features character development, a fun battle and leveling system, a captivating story, and the other is a series the Japanese love that intentionally does not want to have character development or a fun battle system like magicite in ff6. Hell for the longest time battles were in first person, the worst camera mode of all time! You can't get much worse than that. Hell once upon a time they were gonna make dq9 a fun action rpg but the Japanese were actually in an uproar over that (can you believe it??!!) and insisted they change it back to a boring turn based Rpg.

Nothing wrong with turn based rpgs as ff 4-10 have shown, but these games also add an extra oomph to the mechanics that make battles and leveling incredibly fun. Hell ff 5 alone makes me gleeful when I get exp, and job points, and more, and it's all done with somewhat likable characters. Even with dq tries to do job system it's just so boring.

I actually enjoyed rpgs once upon a time but dq is like none of those, it intentionally has inconveniences the other jrpgs improved upon long ago, from the fricking snes era. And yet the Japanese are still obsessed with it. Don't know what that says about them.

I think I agree with all of this. Only time I got anywhere in the older one, I relied on watching tv at the same time to keep me entertained. Except DQVIII. I liked that one when it was new. It was also my first tho
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Delirious_Beard posted...

but i also feel like he'd complain about turn based combat no matter how much depth it had

Yeah pretty much. He really hates jrpgs.
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Honestly, I felt like with the set-up and how the combat was in this one, they should've just tried a sort of rip of Grandia's combat. Still one of the better turn-based systems IMO.

"There's too much grinding." Okay fair, but DQ has a way around that... "Metal Slimes give out too much XP." Okay I don't even know what your problem is now.

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ssjevot posted...

"There's too much grinding." Okay fair, but DQ has a way around that... "Metal Slimes give out too much XP." Okay I don't even know what your problem is now.

You implied that 2nd part on him. He never insinuated that. He was mentioning how off it was that there was that slime and then everything else gave super low Exp.
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He says it became grindy at some point, but he also says that up until he got to that point he was avoiding the majority of battles.

Mayyybe he brought that on himself (depends how much he skipped)? Any idiot can tell you if you avoid the majority of encounters in an rpg, you're eventually gonna fall behind in levels.

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I wish 11 would have done something with the free movement mode in battle. It could have added some depth and strategy, but it does absolutely nothing. It was a complete waste of time and resources.
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Movement was just a neat novelty and dq combat is already perfect simplicity

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

He says it became grindy at some point, but he also says that up until he got to that point he was avoiding the majority of battles.

Mayyybe he brought that on himself (depends how much he skipped)? Any idiot can tell you if you avoid the majority of encounters in an rpg, you're eventually gonna fall behind in levels.

lol This.

Really though, I never understood why people take Dunk reviews completely seriously. His main priority is humor.

honestly without the hard mode options enabled you shouldn't have to grind that much, the game is kind of easy
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Grinding required for JRPGs? Most JRPGs are incredibly easy. I've never understood this cliche.

But also the more I hear about Dragon Quest, the less desire I have to ever play it.
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MelzezDoor posted...

He's right about the RPGs though. They don't need to be anywhere near that level of grindyness.

It isn't even grindy. Know how to kill metal slimes and do that once every 30 hours and you have no issue...probably will be overleveled

Delirious_Beard posted...

honestly without the hard mode options enabled you shouldn't have to grind that much, the game is kind of easy

Honestly if you dont run from everything you will raise a level or two per area youll be fine. I actively grinded to get expensive equipment a lot and it made the game really really easy

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

He says it became grindy at some point, but he also says that up until he got to that point he was avoiding the majority of battles.

Wew lad.

Amenadeel posted...

Hell once upon a time they were gonna make dq9 a fun action rpg but the Japanese were actually in an uproar over that (can you believe it??!!) and insisted they change it back to a boring turn based Rpg.

Even if it did have action RPG gameplay IX would have been shit. It might have been better if that was the case since the vocation system in IX sucks ass, but the issues go deeper than just the gameplay and story.
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people that want to turn ever jrpg into an arpg is whats killing the genre

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It's a feature, not a bug.

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Dunkey goes over so many gamers heads. You can't be emotional and watch Dunkey. He purposely wilds. He slips in and out of serious discussion and going hard in the paint.
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I mean... He's made it pretty known that he doesn't like turn-based jrpgs. This was honestly as good of a review as Dragon Quest was going to get from him. I think I recall him liking a few in the past but again, those were exceptions.
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MeIody posted...

I mean... He's made it pretty known that he doesn't like turn-based jrpgs. This was honestly as good of a review as Dragon Quest was going to get from him. I think I recall him liking a few in the past but again, those were exceptions.

He even mentioned it in his video on game reviewers. He said that you need to learn the biass of reviewers and uses the example of him not liking jrpgs but loving Persona 5 so you know that Persona 5 has to be something special when it made someone who hates jrpgs give it a 5.
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KeeperOfShadows posted...

Mayyybe he brought that on himself (depends how much he skipped)? Any idiot can tell you if you avoid the majority of encounters in an rpg, you're eventually gonna fall behind in levels.

That's one thing I really like about the Trails series. If you're fighting things above your level, the way the XP scaling system works means you'll level almost every encounter, sometimes even gaining multiple levels per encounter. It works the other way too, fighting things below your level drastically cuts XP gain, so it's never optimal to stay in one place grinding.
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KeeperOfShadows posted...

He says it became grindy at some point, but he also says that up until he got to that point he was avoiding the majority of battles.

Mayyybe he brought that on himself (depends how much he skipped)? Any idiot can tell you if you avoid the majority of encounters in an rpg, you're eventually gonna fall behind in levels.

Or it could do something sensible and NOT require pointless time wasting grinding.

Leave it for those who want to fight some optional boss or breeze through stuff. The whole grinding thing is why I've never really wanted to do most JRPGS.
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There isn't any grinding for the normal difficulty lol. Not if you don't blatantly avoid enemies except for a handful, like has been stated. And shit, even if you *do* want to grind, DQ has made it so absurdly easy with the metal slimes and the combat skills you're given. At the end of the post-game I grinded in my 60's to max level and I was gaining like 5 levels per fight. It's braindead easy and only necessary if you want the trophy that goes with it or if you're on hard mode.

MelzezDoor posted...

He's right about the RPGs though. They don't need to be anywhere near that level of grindyness.

yeah and this one isn't. the difficulty in this game is super toned down compared to dragon quest games of the past. you only need to grind if you're playing on the hard difficulty, which he wasn't doing. he just isn't very good at these types of games and blames it on the genre.
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Apparently, he may have stolen footage in his review

https://twitter.com/Win98Tech/status/1183058154155905025?s=19
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Superlinkbro posted...

Apparently, he may have stolen footage in his review

https://twitter.com/Win98Tech/status/1183058154155905025?s=19

It wouldn't be respectable but the footage isn't even the appeal of his videos...like, at all. Unless he's clowning around in the game world. But this isn't one those videos. I couldn't care less about this
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Superlinkbro posted...

Apparently, he may have stolen footage in his review

https://twitter.com/Win98Tech/status/1183058154155905025?s=19

It wouldn't be respectable but the footage isn't even the appeal of his videos...like, at all. Unless he's clowning around in the game world. But this isn't one those videos. I couldn't care less about this

If he used footage from one of my videos without any credit, I would definitely complain to him. Just a small mention of the video or link to the channel he got it from would be nice. It's not hard.
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Superlinkbro posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Superlinkbro posted...

Apparently, he may have stolen footage in his review

https://twitter.com/Win98Tech/status/1183058154155905025?s=19

It wouldn't be respectable but the footage isn't even the appeal of his videos...like, at all. Unless he's clowning around in the game world. But this isn't one those videos. I couldn't care less about this

If he used footage from one of my videos without any credit, I would definitely complain to him. Just a small mention of the video or link to the channel he got it from would be nice. It's not hard.

Oh, I completely agree. But that has nothing to do with me or the appeal I find in his videos. That's between him and the dude. Seems extra dumb with a turn based RPG tho. Peoples gameplay experiences don't vary much. It's not like RDR where you can go about things in 50 different ways.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Oh, I completely agree. But that has nothing to do with me or the appeal I find in his videos. That's between him and the dude. Seems extra dumb with a turn based RPG tho. Peoples gameplay experiences don't vary much. It's not like RDR where you can go about things in 50 different ways.

I can see your take, and what you're getting at. People watch him for the commentary and not necessarily the "video/looking at" portion. But if you're going to take someone's footage, no matter how similar the game is to yours, you still should credit them. I don't think dunkey is a piece of shit for taking footage but I just hope he updates the description of the video with sources to the gameplay.
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Hes not wrong.

Im not the biggest JRPG fan but Ive played and enjoyed a fair share of them: chrono trigger, Mario rpg, Mario and Luigi, lost odyssey, skies of Arcadia, bravely second, tales of symphonia just to new a few.

I tried playing dragon quest 8 on the 3ds, which from what I heard was supposed to be the best in the series. It bored me to tears. It felt like the most basic rpg I had ever played. When I saw that 11 looked almost exactly the same as 8 (just based in trailers and reviews) I had no interest in it.

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LLKoolJosh posted...

I dont like when he tries to be a serious reviewer. Is that what hes doin? Didnt watch yet.

Hes really good at it tho
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Superlinkbro posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Oh, I completely agree. But that has nothing to do with me or the appeal I find in his videos. That's between him and the dude. Seems extra dumb with a turn based RPG tho. Peoples gameplay experiences don't vary much. It's not like RDR where you can go about things in 50 different ways.

I can see your take, and what you're getting at. People watch him for the commentary and not necessarily the "video/looking at" portion. But if you're going to take someone's footage, no matter how similar the game is to yours, you still should credit them. I don't think dunkey is a piece of shit for taking footage but I just hope he updates the description of the video with sources to the gameplay.

Yeah. I get your side and don't disagree with the credit thing, if true. But can you blame someone for not giving a shit about youtube drama lol.
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

MelzezDoor posted...

He's right about the RPGs though. They don't need to be anywhere near that level of grindyness.

It isn't even grindy. Know how to kill metal slimes and do that once every 30 hours and you have no issue...probably will be overleveled

Frogles posted...

yeah and this one isn't. the difficulty in this game is super toned down compared to dragon quest games of the past. you only need to grind if you're playing on the hard difficulty, which he wasn't doing. he just isn't very good at these types of games and blames it on the genre.

DQ11 felt toned down a bit that much is true but I was talking about the nature of rpgs in general. Making dq11 less grindy doesn't change the fact they still are. I know some players like grinding but honestly it should have never existed.

Funkydog posted...

KeeperOfShadows posted...

He says it became grindy at some point, but he also says that up until he got to that point he was avoiding the majority of battles.

Mayyybe he brought that on himself (depends how much he skipped)? Any idiot can tell you if you avoid the majority of encounters in an rpg, you're eventually gonna fall behind in levels.

Or it could do something sensible and NOT require pointless time wasting grinding.

Leave it for those who want to fight some optional boss or breeze through stuff. The whole grinding thing is why I've never really wanted to do most JRPGS.

Even for optional bosses I prefer not to be forced to grind. Sure a story mode can be smooth sailing but I will likely experience whatever content is left because it was paid for. Take FFX postgame for example- mixing up armor& weapon slot abilities was interesting but fuck that grind for materials. Things like that and 1% drops from whatever game you can think of are excessive af.

His Octopath review was piss poor from a serious perspective and amusing from a humorous perspective so I generally figure he leans towards the latter when it comes to reviewing JRPGs.
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Funkydog posted...

Leave it for those who want to fight some optional boss or breeze through stuff. The whole grinding thing is why I've never really wanted to do most JRPGS.

I've never played a JRPG where you actually have to grind. Most people that complain about mandatory grinding end up saying things like "oh I don't like using buffs" or "I didn't understand materia so I didn't use them".
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Hes not wrong.

That's pretty funny coming from a person that admits to not playing the game.

MelzezDoor posted...

DQ11 felt toned down a bit that much is true but I was talking about the nature of rpgs in general. Making dq11 less grindy doesn't change the fact they still are.

What JRPGs are you playing that are grindy, outside of hard modes and the like?

He ended up liking the game though so I dont see the problem. His complaints are valid.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Funkydog posted...

Leave it for those who want to fight some optional boss or breeze through stuff. The whole grinding thing is why I've never really wanted to do most JRPGS.

I've never played a JRPG where you actually have to grind. Most people that complain about mandatory grinding end up saying things like "oh I don't like using buffs" or "I didn't understand materia so I didn't use them".

Same. Except a few that are meant to be grindy (Like DQ1)
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