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AmericaTheBrave
10/10/19 6:49:46 PM
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https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

A woman who detransitioned in 2018 says there are many people who have had gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't.

Hundreds of young transgender people are seeking help to return to their original sex, a woman who is setting up a charity has told Sky News.

Charlie Evans, 28, was born female but identified as male for nearly 10 years before detransitioning.

The number of young people seeking gender transition is at an all-time high but we hear very little, if anything, about those who may come to regret their decision.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

Charlie detransitioned and went public with her story last year - and said she was stunned by the number of people she discovered in a similar position.

"I'm in communication with 19 and 20-year-olds who have had full gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't, and their dysphoria hasn't been relieved, they don't feel better for it," she says.

"They don't know what their options are now."

Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.

"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."

She recalls being approached by a young girl with a beard who hugged her after giving a public talk, who explained she was a destransitioned woman too.

"She said she felt shunned by the LGBT community for being a traitor. So I felt I had to do something."

Charlie is now launching a charity called The Detransition Advocacy Network, with their first meeting set to be held in Manchester at the end of the month.

Sky News went to meet one person who has contacted Charlie's network for help.

She does not want to be identified so we have changed her name.

Ruby is now 21 but first began identifying as male at 13.

After taking testosterone her voice got a lot deeper, she grew facial hair and her body changed.

She had been planning to have surgery to remove her breasts this summer.

However, in May, Ruby voiced the growing doubts she had been harbouring and made the decision to come off testosterone and detransition to identify as female.

"I didn't think any change was going to be enough in the end and I thought it was better to work on changing how I felt about myself, than changing my body," says Ruby.


More in link.

Thoughts?
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viewmaster_pi
10/10/19 6:52:32 PM
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you can't talk about this, it goes against the continued pro-trans narrative and is extremely offensive, so please close the topic

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AdmiralStiff
10/10/19 6:53:31 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
you can't talk about this, it goes against the continued pro-trans narrative and is extremely offensive, so please close the topic

No, go away
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Esrac
10/10/19 6:53:33 PM
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It's interesting that they mention they're mostly autistic. I heard a while back that rates of autism among people who identify as trans are relatively high. I don't have any numbers though.

It made me wonder if something about being on the spectrum is related to gender dysphoria or if, in this case, contributes to a sort of "false positive".

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Delta_F14
10/10/19 6:55:32 PM
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GoodOlJr
10/10/19 6:55:33 PM
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Esrac posted...
It's interesting that they mention they're mostly autistic. I heard a while back that rates of autism among people who identify as trans are relatively high. I don't have any numbers though


All the nerdy gamers transitioning, a decent amount has to fit into this

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viewmaster_pi
10/10/19 6:55:39 PM
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Esrac posted...
It's interesting that they mention they're mostly autistic. I heard a while back that rates of autism among people who identify as trans are relatively high. I don't have any numbers though.

It made me wonder if something about being on the spectrum is related to gender dysphoria or if, in this case, contributes to a sort of "false positive".
also extremely offensive to even consider

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vigorm0rtis
10/10/19 6:57:07 PM
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Thoroughly unsurprised. Even aside from the autism angle, young people don't have a sense of identity established enough to make those decisions without risking this very thing.

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GoodOlJr
10/10/19 6:57:16 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
offensive


Why?

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viewmaster_pi
10/10/19 6:58:53 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Why?
it is extremely offensive to consider transgenderism a parallel of any sort to any mental disorder

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HerpToTheDerp
10/10/19 6:59:36 PM
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Hundreds out of how many? What are you trying to imply here TC?
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iPhone_7
10/10/19 6:59:36 PM
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Its great that shes starting an organization to help others. Its already a really difficult journey for those conflicted about their identity. For those feeling that they may not have really been trans to begin with, its good that they can have a support group for their specific circumstances.

"She said she felt shunned by the LGBT community for being a traitor. So I felt I had to do something."

This is just awful though.
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ElatedVenusaur
10/10/19 6:59:51 PM
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So, what fraction of a percent is that?
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GoodOlJr
10/10/19 6:59:53 PM
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Because it was decided the word disorder was negative for no reason to 2 years ago right?

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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 7:00:36 PM
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Esrac posted...
It's interesting that they mention they're mostly autistic. I heard a while back that rates of autism among people who identify as trans are relatively high. I don't have any numbers though.

It made me wonder if something about being on the spectrum is related to gender dysphoria or if, in this case, contributes to a sort of "false positive".
autistic people have troubles with gender roles
Autistic women are often more masculine and autistic men are often more feminine


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viewmaster_pi
10/10/19 7:01:03 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Because it was decided the word disorder was negative for no reason to 2 years ago right?
blame gfaqs, I didn't decide anything, I just don't want anyone getting modded, that's all

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vigorm0rtis
10/10/19 7:03:42 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
it is extremely offensive to consider transgenderism a parallel of any sort to any mental disorder


I think you're missing the point. People who are autistic are often undiagnosed, and without context (and even frequently with) experience and overwhelming sense of otherness. It's possible that they're trying to find context by identifying as transgender.

Which has nothing to do with one actually being parallel to the other.

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Wii_Shaker
10/10/19 7:06:34 PM
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I imagine there is going to be a percentage of people who regret their choice with gender reassignment surgery. It's a colossal life choice after all.
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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 7:07:34 PM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
I imagine there is going to be a percentage of people who regret their choice with gender reassignment surgery. It's a colossal life choice after all.
Its such a crude surgery too, especially for female to male

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Esrac
10/10/19 7:07:34 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
autistic people have troubles with gender roles
Autistic women are often more masculine and autistic men are often more feminine
society pressures women to be feminine and men to be masculine
This plus the frequency of trans things in media and the like can cause a lot of confusion
t. Went through the same thing


I guess that makes sense. Would you suppose that autistic people are more sensitive to things like that in media?

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Southernfatman
10/10/19 7:09:07 PM
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There's always been trans people who've had regrets and if that's how they feel then that's how they feel. Nothing wrong with that.

I just hate how certain people are obviously using this story to smear trans people in general.
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vigorm0rtis
10/10/19 7:09:19 PM
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Esrac posted...
I guess that makes sense. Would you suppose that autistic people are more sensitive to things like that in media?


Amongst high functioning cases, yes.

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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 7:09:42 PM
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Esrac posted...
I guess that makes sense. Would you suppose that autistic people are more sensitive to things like that in media?
yea definitely

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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 7:10:04 PM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
Amongst high functioning cases, yes.
Low functioning too

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MasterGakke
10/10/19 7:10:22 PM
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Question: Why do the people who keep whining about this stuff care? Seems like you'd have to be a pretty massive loser with nothing going on in your own life to care so much about other people's lives so much that you'd whine so much.
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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 7:11:25 PM
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MasterGakke posted...
Question: Why do the people who keep whining about this stuff care? Seems like you'd have to be a pretty massive loser with nothing going on in your own life to care so much about other people's lives so much that you'd whine so much.
cuz I have small breasts I have to live with (unless I get painful surgery, which I dont think I will) and might be infertile because of it

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BewmHedshot
10/10/19 7:12:03 PM
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MasterGakke posted...
Question: Why do the people who keep whining about this stuff care? Seems like you'd have to be a pretty massive loser with nothing going on in your own life to care so much about other people's lives so much that you'd whine so much.

It's usually this.
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Shablagoo
10/10/19 7:12:30 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
GoodOlJr posted...
Because it was decided the word disorder was negative for no reason to 2 years ago right?
blame gfaqs, I didn't decide anything, I just don't want anyone getting modded, that's all


Can you stop building your strawman with such tremendous vigor, please?
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thanosibe
10/10/19 7:13:00 PM
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MasterGakke posted...
Question: Why do the people who keep whining about this stuff care? Seems like you'd have to be a pretty massive loser with nothing going on in your own life to care so much about other people's lives so much that you'd whine so much.
No one is doing that in this thread. People are discussing the OP. And isnt understanding things better come from discussion and education and not pretending its an untouchable subject?

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vigorm0rtis
10/10/19 7:13:06 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
Low functioning too


That may be. My experience with low-functioning autistic people is that a lot of times their focus lies elsewhere. But I'm not a professional.

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MasterGakke
10/10/19 7:13:14 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
MasterGakke posted...
Question: Why do the people who keep whining about this stuff care? Seems like you'd have to be a pretty massive loser with nothing going on in your own life to care so much about other people's lives so much that you'd whine so much.
cuz I have small breasts I have to live with (unless I get painful surgery, which I dont think I will) and might be infertile because of it

That's you. This is other people. Again, why do you care so much about other people? People who aren't loathsome asshole losers don't care if you want to do something different with your life.
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viewmaster_pi
10/10/19 7:13:25 PM
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Shablagoo posted...
Can you stop building your strawman with such tremendous vigor, please?
i'm just looking out for my fellow users, i hate seeing people get modded

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GoodOlJr
10/10/19 7:44:09 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
i'm just looking out for my fellow users, i hate seeing people get modded


Its w.e man, if I get 3 mods I hide my power level, if I get another I use an alt

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COVxy
10/10/19 7:45:45 PM
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[Citation needed]

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Medussa
10/10/19 7:50:15 PM
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COVxy posted...
[Citation needed]


they even admit there isn't anything backing the claim.
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s0nicfan
10/10/19 7:53:39 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
So, what fraction of a percent is that?


About 0.0002% using a liberal estimate of the number of trans people and assuming this article is all the people who want to detransition.

For comparison, the percentage of the population with GID is about 0.005% and a using the above the estimate of overall trans ppl in the US 0.6%

So a fraction of a percent.
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untrustful
10/10/19 7:55:12 PM
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I sometimes wonder if this is a politically oriented thing or a genuine attempt.
If it's genuine, great.
If it isn't, then they need to stop pretending.

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COVxy
10/10/19 7:57:26 PM
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untrustful posted...
I sometimes wonder if this is a politically oriented thing or a genuine attempt.
If it's genuine, great.
If it isn't, then they need to stop pretending.


It's political:
https://medium.com/@charlie.evans/a-journey-from-trans-to-t-rf-25bf61455048


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Esrac
10/10/19 9:28:03 PM
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untrustful posted...
I sometimes wonder if this is a politically oriented thing or a genuine attempt.
If it's genuine, great.
If it isn't, then they need to stop pretending.


It can be both.

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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 9:53:01 PM
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MasterGakke posted...
That's you. This is other people. Again, why do you care so much about other people? People who aren't loathsome asshole losers don't care if you want to do something different with your life.
Because i transitioned and regret it
i am one of those people the article is talking about dude


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karlpilkington4
10/10/19 9:54:56 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
MasterGakke posted...
That's you. This is other people. Again, why do you care so much about other people? People who aren't loathsome asshole losers don't care if you want to do something different with your life.
Because i transitioned and regret it
i am one of those people the article is talking about dude



What made you regret it?
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tamagucci
10/10/19 9:55:56 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Thoughts?

My thoughts are we should really teach everyone to be comfortable in their own skin. No one should feel so off that cutting themselves up for aesthetics is the solution.
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evil_zombie11
10/10/19 9:58:11 PM
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Omg this topic is so TOS unstable it's making my ex gf look sane.


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MudKip_Master
10/10/19 10:00:01 PM
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Well transitioning isn't exactly a good, well, I won't say.

Too offensive even for gamefaqs...
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SK8T3R215
10/10/19 10:03:59 PM
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*puts mop on head*
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Ryuko_Chan
10/10/19 10:11:25 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
What made you regret it?
cuz it isnt real

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untrustful
10/11/19 3:18:20 AM
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Esrac posted...
It can be both.
You can't be genuine and disingenuous about something.

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Ryuko_Chan
10/11/19 4:26:06 AM
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untrustful posted...
You can't be genuine and disingenuous about something.
Yes you can

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Kaliesto
10/11/19 4:34:39 AM
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tamagucci posted...
My thoughts are we should really teach everyone to be comfortable in their own skin. No one should feel so off that cutting themselves up for aesthetics is the solution.



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