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greatmonkeybaby
10/09/19 3:34:48 PM
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If given the chance to have more on screen time with better than average writing; what do you think?
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Funkydog
10/09/19 3:35:34 PM
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No reason why it couldn't be with better writing/direction.
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eston
10/09/19 3:37:00 PM
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I don't think so. That version is already tarnished beyond redemption. Like, it maybe could have worked the first time around, but it wasn't just the writing that was bad IMO. Leto's whole delivery was awful
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pegusus123456
10/09/19 3:39:05 PM
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No. And I didn't even see SS, I'm basing this entirely on that godawful design.
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garan
10/09/19 3:40:53 PM
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Hell no.
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R1masher
10/09/19 3:41:33 PM
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If he shows ween... yes
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justaguy3492
10/09/19 3:42:31 PM
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The design was awful and would have to be changed. They may have been able to do something with the whole mobster joker vibe he had going on if they had more screen time and better writers.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/09/19 6:05:08 PM
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Ricemills
10/09/19 6:09:31 PM
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no.
no reason to redeem it either, the Phoenix's Joker more marketable now.
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au_gold
10/09/19 6:12:31 PM
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Hes too damaged.
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Darmik
10/09/19 6:16:12 PM
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Imagine being Leto. You get a huge comic book role that you're signed onto for years. You get your own solo movie and you get to turn up in fun crossovers. It's a dream gig.

Then it turns out the role gives you a whopping 15 minutes of screentime and you're never called back.
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au_gold
10/09/19 6:18:48 PM
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I guess thats why he started a cult.
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BLAKUboy
10/09/19 6:22:47 PM
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They'd have to completely reboot the universe, but if they do I could see him possibly being good if DC can get their heads out of their asses.
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shadowfan
10/09/19 6:34:19 PM
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Honka honka.
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iPhone_7
10/09/19 7:35:37 PM
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They could slightly redeem Letos Joker by having him do the more cartoonishly evil stuff like unleashing his laughing gas on the city of Gotham.

Despite looking like a jugalo, he can be the old-school type of Joker where hes just out to have evil fun & wreck havoc, instead of having some grand master plan & sense of greater purpose to make a statement on society or reshape Gotham.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:07:48 AM
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Funkydog posted...
No reason why it couldn't be with better writing/direction.




eston posted...
I don't think so. That version is already tarnished beyond redemption. Like, it maybe could have worked the first time around, but it wasn't just the writing that was bad IMO. Leto's whole delivery was awful


So would you say his acting in general was awful?

Because if his wardrobe & tattoo's were someone elses idea I don't think his acting skills were going to save him from those things in addition to him being such a minor character with terrible writing Leto Joker was doomed to fail.

pegusus123456 posted...
No. And I didn't even see SS, I'm basing this entirely on that godawful design.


Who designed that any way? Was Leto Jokers image under full creative control of Jared Leto?

Ricemills posted...
no.
no reason to redeem it either, the Phoenix's Joker more marketable now.


Phoneix would have to take part in the justice league/suicide squad bat-verse though.

BLAKUboy posted...
They'd have to completely reboot the universe, but if they do I could see him possibly being good if DC can get their heads out of their asses.




iPhone_7 posted...
They could slightly redeem Letos Joker by having him do the more cartoonishly evil stuff like unleashing his laughing gas on the city of Gotham.

Despite looking like a jugalo, he can be the old-school type of Joker where hes just out to have evil fun & wreck havoc, instead of having some grand master plan & sense of greater purpose to make a statement on society or reshape Gotham.


I agree. If he was like that & not a poorly written cameo cash cow it would have worked. Because compared to Heath Ledger as a main antagonist, Leto Joker was harley even essential to Suicide Squad's plot.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:25:54 AM
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1.

That's why in my other thread regarding a Ledger~Leto role swap; I was trying to figure out what Ledger would have done with his Joker role in Suicide Squad if Leto was in the Dark Knight series instead.

Including if someone would have pushed a similar suicide squad "damaged" look on Ledger, or if he would have done something new & still succeed even as a poorly written minor character Joker just of acting skill alone.

2.

Given a Joker role in a project like The Dark Knight, it's possible that Leto Joker would have been epic actually with the serious tone the series provided & the darker aesthetic Leto would have conjured instead.
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au_gold
10/10/19 2:35:27 AM
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After what WB did to Suicide Squad, they owe it to Leto to give him another chance.
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jumi
10/10/19 2:40:06 AM
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R1masher posted...
If he shows ween... yes


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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:40:32 AM
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au_gold posted...
After what WB did to Suicide Squad, they owe it to Leto to give him another chance.


Honestly I would from their perspective.

But they should know next time; to only incorporate him in a film if he's actually essential to the plots writing as an antagonist of some sort instead of just paying him to be a poorly written mannequin for film trailers & posters, or else just having him make a cameo again won't even be enough to flesh his character out compared to a main antagonist like Ledger Joker & a film soloist like Phoenix Joker.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:41:55 AM
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jumi posted...
R1masher posted...
If he shows ween... yes


White as snow with a green treasure trail!


Nah
Harley fans didn't even get that much fan service

& how would something like that redeem him? LMAO
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/10/19 2:45:04 AM
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I blame the director more than I blame Leto. Leto looked the way the Joker looked in that director's vision.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:52:59 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I blame the director more than I blame Leto. Leto looked the way the Joker looked in that director's vision.


That makes sense
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evil_zombie11
10/10/19 2:53:16 AM
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Suicide squad was just bad all around. It was like a child's version of what Joker is. Birds of Prey looks like the same trash.

Leto with proper direction could pull off a good Joker. I mean did you see Leto in Dallas Buyers Club???? Amazing.
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awesome999
10/10/19 2:54:17 AM
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He was dealt a shitty hand but no, not redeemable
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 2:58:34 AM
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greatmonkeybaby posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I blame the director more than I blame Leto. Leto looked the way the Joker looked in that director's vision.


That makes sense


If Leto Joker was forced to debut during the Batman vs Superman film or within the perspective of that darker aesthetic I'm sure even that minor role would have turned out better by default. Suicide Squad was already implying a more comical vibe than that dark vibe from man of steel & batman vs superman etc.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 3:00:18 AM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
Suicide squad was just bad all around. It was like a child's version of what Joker is. Birds of Prey looks like the same trash.

Leto with proper direction could pull off a good Joker. I mean did you see Leto in Dallas Buyers Club???? Amazing.



& yeah he & mcconaughey killed it!

awesome999 posted...
He was dealt a shitty hand but no, not redeemable


Damn lol
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action52
10/10/19 3:04:59 AM
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lot of damaged people itt
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 3:12:43 AM
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action52 posted...
lot of damaged people itt


A7Ako5A
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008Zulu
10/10/19 3:26:23 AM
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Give him a chemical dip to purge all those emo tattoos. We'll go from there.
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MrNintendo1213
10/10/19 3:34:14 AM
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I don't blame the director. Well I do for the bad look, but the movie itself we probably won't ever know if it was going to be good with what David Ayer wanted. We didn't get the movie he made, he said it himself. His version was darker and he said they shot more than twice as much footage with the Joker than what ended up in the movie.

WB gave the footage to the same company that made the comedic trailers with the fun songs, and let them make their own cut of the movie. And they decided to go with that instead of using what the Director made.

And I'm also pretty sure that originally Joker was going to be the antagonist, but they changed it for some reason I cant remember. But the the director did want there to be a whole different tone and plot to the movie.
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Verdekal
10/10/19 3:51:06 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/10/19 3:51:29 AM
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either way, I don't blame Leto. he's not a bad actor and he portrayed The Joker the way they expected him to.

but yeah, there are multiple people to blame.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 4:03:19 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
I don't blame the director. Well I do for the bad look, but the movie itself we probably won't ever know if it was going to be good with what David Ayer wanted. We didn't get the movie he made, he said it himself. His version was darker and he said they shot more than twice as much footage with the Joker than what ended up in the movie.

WB gave the footage to the same company that made the comedic trailers with the fun songs, and let them make their own cut of the movie. And they decided to go with that instead of using what the Director made.

And I'm also pretty sure that originally Joker was going to be the antagonist, but they changed it for some reason I cant remember. But the the director did want there to be a whole different tone and plot to the movie.


Wow sounds like the original version would have been way better tbh

008Zulu posted...
Give him a chemical dip to purge all those emo tattoos. We'll go from there.


He would have looked chill without the tattoos & grill honestly
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 4:04:07 AM
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 4:04:19 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
either way, I don't blame Leto. he's not a bad actor and he portrayed The Joker the way they expected him to.

but yeah, there are multiple people to blame.

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MisterPengy
10/10/19 4:25:46 AM
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The one thing I liked about the Leto Joker is he actually seemed dangerous. He did the "I'm a psycho who will just kill you or hurt you and laugh about it" part of the character well. Maybe better than any one else.

Heath Ledger's Joker was the only other one that was legitimately scary.
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UnfairRepresent
10/10/19 4:31:29 AM
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garan posted...
Hell no.



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action52
10/10/19 5:51:17 AM
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greatmonkeybaby posted...
action52 posted...
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A7Ako5A

You know it occurred to me that my little one liner could be interpreted as a defense of Leto's portrayal.

Let me just go on the record as saying that I think his Joker is a hot pile of garbage and I hope he never appears in another movie again.
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jumi
10/10/19 6:15:27 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Give him a chemical dip to purge all those emo tattoos. We'll go from there.


Melt his grill down and turn it into a tiny knife as well.

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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 12:41:27 PM
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MisterPengy posted...
The one thing I liked about the Leto Joker is he actually seemed dangerous. He did the "I'm a psycho who will just kill you or hurt you and laugh about it" part of the character well. Maybe better than any one else.

Heath Ledger's Joker was the only other one that was legitimately scary.


True that actually

UnfairRepresent posted...
garan posted...
Hell no.




LOL

jumi posted...
008Zulu posted...
Give him a chemical dip to purge all those emo tattoos. We'll go from there.


Melt his grill down and turn it into a tiny knife as well.


LMAO
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 12:41:46 PM
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action52 posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
action52 posted...
lot of damaged people itt


A7Ako5A

You know it occurred to me that my little one liner could be interpreted as a defense of Leto's portrayal.

Let me just go on the record as saying that I think his Joker is a hot pile of garbage and I hope he never appears in another movie again.


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Garioshi
10/10/19 12:44:40 PM
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Joker didn't fucking belong in a Suicide Squad movie to begin with. He isn't a Suicide Squad character.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 8:39:12 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Joker didn't fucking belong in a Suicide Squad movie to begin with. He isn't a Suicide Squad character.


I feel that!
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 8:39:31 PM
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andel
10/10/19 8:49:56 PM
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leto is just unlucky his version of the joker was a joke and phoenix is a vastly superior actor in general
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 8:59:27 PM
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andel posted...
leto is just unlucky his version of the joker was a joke and phoenix is a vastly superior actor in general


Phoenix is on a level of his own no doubt.
& damn poor Leto lol
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SwayM
10/10/19 9:06:28 PM
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Darmik posted...
Imagine being Leto. You get a huge comic book role that you're signed onto for years. You get your own solo movie and you get to turn up in fun crossovers. It's a dream gig.

Then it turns out the role gives you a whopping 15 minutes of screentime and you're never called back.


Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

You get a huge comic book role that youre signed into for years. You get your own solo movie and get to turn up in fun crossovers. Its dream gig

Then it turns out youre being introduced in a huge team up movie and theres 12 other heroes to compete with. Youre only given like 10 minutes of screen time when all is said and done. Oh and btw were introducing Spider-Man along with you, but dont let that phase you. Youre important too. Also your solo movie will make you a champion and symbol for your race worldwide. No pressure.

I walked out of Civil War and black panther was my favourite character in that very bloated movie.

Now obviously those are different circumstances and its never all on the actors shoulders for how a role ends up being received. But it think its a nice counterpart to having some tough odds standing to them.

As far as Letos joker. The question in my mind all comes down to how did he play the hand he was dealt? The costume? Writing? Story? Editing? Its hard to say what Leto was dealt and what Leto played. that movie was such a cluster fuck From a hundred different angles. But at the end of the day his actions behind the scenes are telling to me.

He was dealt a shit hand and played it poorly.
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au_gold
10/10/19 9:47:21 PM
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SwayM posted...
Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

Are you really comparing Civil War, a huge sequel in a well-established cinematic universe guaranteed to produce more films, to Suicide Squad, a desperate attempt for Warner Bros to change up the DCEU formula only for them to panic and reshoot half the movie at the last minute?
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CM_Ponch
10/10/19 9:49:33 PM
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I think Leto could do a good Joker, it the Joker that was written was not a good Joker. He did a good job with the 15 minutes he had but the material sucked.

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