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Abiz_
10/10/19 9:52:29 PM
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I can't unsee his version of the joker. I don't put all the blame on him, but I have zero interest in seeing him in that role. I think the riddler would fit him better.
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Darmik
10/10/19 9:53:32 PM
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SwayM posted...
Darmik posted...
Imagine being Leto. You get a huge comic book role that you're signed onto for years. You get your own solo movie and you get to turn up in fun crossovers. It's a dream gig.

Then it turns out the role gives you a whopping 15 minutes of screentime and you're never called back.


Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

You get a huge comic book role that youre signed into for years. You get your own solo movie and get to turn up in fun crossovers. Its dream gig

Then it turns out youre being introduced in a huge team up movie and theres 12 other heroes to compete with. Youre only given like 10 minutes of screen time when all is said and done. Oh and btw were introducing Spider-Man along with you, but dont let that phase you. Youre important too. Also your solo movie will make you a champion and symbol for your race worldwide. No pressure.

I walked out of Civil War and black panther was my favourite character in that very bloated movie.

Now obviously those are different circumstances and its never all on the actors shoulders for how a role ends up being received. But it think its a nice counterpart to having some tough odds standing to them.

As far as Letos joker. The question in my mind all comes down to how did he play the hand he was dealt? The costume? Writing? Story? Editing? Its hard to say what Leto was dealt and what Leto played. that movie was such a cluster fuck From a hundred different angles. But at the end of the day his actions behind the scenes are telling to me.

He was dealt a shit hand and played it poorly.


But it worked out great for Boseman.

He's been in three crossover movies and is now working on his second solo movie.

Leto left Joker to be...Morbius.
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Wii_Shaker
10/10/19 9:54:39 PM
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IMO Leto "Damaged" Joker should have never existed from the get go. Nonredeemable, especially after Joaquin.
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Dragonblade01
10/10/19 9:54:47 PM
#54:


Not that version of the Joker.

But I think he could play a better version of the Joker.
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pegusus123456
10/10/19 10:12:33 PM
#55:


au_gold posted...
SwayM posted...
Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

Are you really comparing Civil War, a huge sequel in a well-established cinematic universe guaranteed to produce more films, to Suicide Squad, a desperate attempt for Warner Bros to change up the DCEU formula only for them to panic and reshoot half the movie at the last minute?

Nah, man. Boseman and Leto were both dealt terrible hands. The only difference is that Leto had to deal with terrible direction, editing, design, and writing while Boseman had to deal with the pressure of being in a movie that was assured to be a success before it was even announced. Totally identical.
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TwoStrikes94
10/10/19 10:26:01 PM
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leto in bladerunner is pretty dope
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 11:42:28 PM
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SwayM posted...
Darmik posted...
Imagine being Leto. You get a huge comic book role that you're signed onto for years. You get your own solo movie and you get to turn up in fun crossovers. It's a dream gig.

Then it turns out the role gives you a whopping 15 minutes of screentime and you're never called back.


Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

You get a huge comic book role that youre signed into for years. You get your own solo movie and get to turn up in fun crossovers. Its dream gig

Then it turns out youre being introduced in a huge team up movie and theres 12 other heroes to compete with. Youre only given like 10 minutes of screen time when all is said and done. Oh and btw were introducing Spider-Man along with you, but dont let that phase you. Youre important too. Also your solo movie will make you a champion and symbol for your race worldwide. No pressure.

I walked out of Civil War and black panther was my favourite character in that very bloated movie.

Now obviously those are different circumstances and its never all on the actors shoulders for how a role ends up being received. But it think its a nice counterpart to having some tough odds standing to them.

As far as Letos joker. The question in my mind all comes down to how did he play the hand he was dealt? The costume? Writing? Story? Editing? Its hard to say what Leto was dealt and what Leto played. that movie was such a cluster fuck From a hundred different angles. But at the end of the day his actions behind the scenes are telling to me.

He was dealt a shit hand AND played it poorly.


Damn haha i feel that yo

CM_Ponch posted...
I think Leto could do a good Joker, it the Joker that was written was not a good Joker. He did a good job with the 15 minutes he had but the material sucked.



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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 11:45:23 PM
#58:


Abiz_ posted...
I can't unsee his version of the joker. I don't put all the blame on him, but I have zero interest in seeing him in that role. I think the riddler would fit him better.


The Riddler, now that would be pretty dope tbh!

Darmik posted...
SwayM posted...
Darmik posted...
Imagine being Leto. You get a huge comic book role that you're signed onto for years. You get your own solo movie and you get to turn up in fun crossovers. It's a dream gig.

Then it turns out the role gives you a whopping 15 minutes of screentime and you're never called back.


Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

You get a huge comic book role that youre signed into for years. You get your own solo movie and get to turn up in fun crossovers. Its dream gig

Then it turns out youre being introduced in a huge team up movie and theres 12 other heroes to compete with. Youre only given like 10 minutes of screen time when all is said and done. Oh and btw were introducing Spider-Man along with you, but dont let that phase you. Youre important too. Also your solo movie will make you a champion and symbol for your race worldwide. No pressure.

I walked out of Civil War and black panther was my favourite character in that very bloated movie.

Now obviously those are different circumstances and its never all on the actors shoulders for how a role ends up being received. But it think its a nice counterpart to having some tough odds standing to them.

As far as Letos joker. The question in my mind all comes down to how did he play the hand he was dealt? The costume? Writing? Story? Editing? Its hard to say what Leto was dealt and what Leto played. that movie was such a cluster fuck From a hundred different angles. But at the end of the day his actions behind the scenes are telling to me.

He was dealt a shit hand and played it poorly.


But it worked out great for Boseman.

He's been in three crossover movies and is now working on his second solo movie.

Leto left Joker to be...Morbius.


Morbius might be more his style honestly but who knows

Wii_Shaker posted...
IMO Leto "Damaged" Joker should have never existed from the get go. Nonredeemable, especially after Joaquin.


LMAO yeah the damaged persona shoulda been a more simplified mafia joker
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greatmonkeybaby
10/10/19 11:46:21 PM
#59:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Not that version of the Joker.

But I think he could play a better version of the Joker.


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TwoStrikes94 posted...
leto in bladerunner is pretty dope


Oh word? I haven't seen it yet now that i think about it
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SwayM
10/10/19 11:56:54 PM
#60:


au_gold posted...
SwayM posted...
Imagine being a Chadwick Boseman

Are you really comparing Civil War, a huge sequel in a well-established cinematic universe guaranteed to produce more films, to Suicide Squad, a desperate attempt for Warner Bros to change up the DCEU formula only for them to panic and reshoot half the movie at the last minute?


There are comparisons to be drawn and I drew them. Which btw are between Leto and Boseman and what they had to work with. Not the films or franchises themselves.

But you go right ahead and miss the point, misquote me to leave out the part where I acknowledge its not a perfect comparison, and ignore the idea that how differently things worked out in the end is kinda what Im trying to highlight as well.


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bobbysjoby2
10/11/19 12:00:54 AM
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Id say yes just cuz suicide squad was so horrendously written and re edited

dude had no role, just a silly cameo. The stuff in there is cut to hell and back too, but from what is there its safe to say it wouldnt have been amazing

dude was literally trying to intimidate the dude by friggin purring
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Darmik
10/11/19 12:08:34 AM
#62:


The thing that annoys me the most about Joker in Suicide Squad is that whole "You attracted to my girl?" thing where he uses that as an excuse to kill the guy because no matter what he says will offend.

It's just the most clich, unhinged gangster trope they could have used.
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Ruvan22
10/11/19 12:11:54 AM
#63:


Like.. I barely remember his presence/scenes in SS.. not bad, just.. he was there??
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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 2:21:22 AM
#64:


bobbysjoby2 posted...
Id say yes just cuz suicide squad was so horrendously written and re edited

dude had no role, just a silly cameo. The stuff in there is cut to hell and back too, but from what is there its safe to say it wouldnt have been amazing

dude was literally trying to intimidate the dude by friggin purring like a cat


Exactly & that is true LOL

Darmik posted...
The thing that annoys me the most about Joker in Suicide Squad is that whole "You attracted to my girl?" thing where he uses that as an excuse to kill the guy because no matter what he says will offend.

It's just the most clich, unhinged gangster trope they could have used.


Yeah probably anything to force their relationship on us

Ruvan22 posted...
Like.. I barely remember his presence/scenes in SS.. not bad, just.. he was there??


Yeah minor character AF especially compared to Ledger as main antagonist & Phoenix as main character
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Darmik
10/11/19 2:37:49 AM
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The thing with the Joker is that he only should need a single scene to stick out so you can't even really blame the small screentime.

Look at any scene of Jack Napier Joker and he's amusing and fun to watch.

TDK Joker was introduced to the world in the beginning bank robbery scene. That already painted a huge picture into what that character is going to be and he only says one single line. That clip was shown off long before even the first trailer. Hell I don't think there's a single scene with the Joker in TDK where he doesn't stand out in some way. Even when he isn't in the movie you can feel his presence working its way in the background.

Leto Joker is a dime a dozen unhinged gangster with clown paint and tattoos. This world already establishes him as being around for a long time and he would need a total retcon to be interesting. The guy got to work with the Mad Love story and it still sucked. Everything about it was a failure.

The script could be the issue because he didn't really have any good lines to work with but it's not like I look at the character and see potential there. Birds of Prey is probably a better movie without him.
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au_gold
10/11/19 2:44:44 AM
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It was definitely the script.
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Darmik
10/11/19 2:47:37 AM
#67:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn7o-SfmdLo" data-time="


You don't want no beef?

Leto sucks too. This is embarassing.
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Ryuko_Chan
10/11/19 2:49:07 AM
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no
literally everything about it was terrible
he looked stupid
he acted stupid
he spoke stupid
his lines were stupid

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SRR Capdown
10/11/19 3:53:02 AM
#69:


Honestly, the SS Joker's design wasnt that bad. Especially, when you consider all the cut content that explained it.

He's supposed to be a post 'Death in the Family' Joker, where he's kidnapped and murdered Jason Todd/Robin. As a result, Batman literally smashed his face in and came very close to killing him. His lack of smile, grills and hand tattoo, are a result of him physically being unable to do so. The Damaged tattoo on his head is supposed to be a visual reminder to Batman about how close he came to killing him. As much of a message about Batman's psyche as it is about Joker's.

I still dont think the design was great, especially as an introduction to the character. It would have been a cool change if we actually got a whole film about it and saw the transition from a more classic design to the design we got. But it is a lot better when you consider the stuff cut.
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pegusus123456
10/11/19 3:58:45 AM
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SRR Capdown posted...
Honestly, the SS Joker's design wasnt that bad. Especially, when you consider all the cut content that explained it.

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action52
10/11/19 4:50:00 AM
#71:


SRR Capdown posted...
Honestly, the SS Joker's design wasnt that bad. Especially, when you consider all the cut content that explained it.

He's supposed to be a post 'Death in the Family' Joker, where he's kidnapped and murdered Jason Todd/Robin. As a result, Batman literally smashed his face in and came very close to killing him. His lack of smile, grills and hand tattoo, are a result of him physically being unable to do so. The Damaged tattoo on his head is supposed to be a visual reminder to Batman about how close he came to killing him. As much of a message about Batman's psyche as it is about Joker's.

I still dont think the design was great, especially as an introduction to the character. It would have been a cool change if we actually got a whole film about it and saw the transition from a more classic design to the design we got. But it is a lot better when you consider the stuff cut.

Nobody cares about any of that. They could have integrated all that in a way that didn't make him look like a pile of silver and bright green vomit.

He looks terrible and acts obnoxious. And he's not even funny or anything.

That's the problem.
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bobbysjoby2
10/11/19 8:18:16 AM
#72:


Darmik posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn7o-SfmdLo" data-time="


You don't want no beef?

Leto sucks too. This is embarassing.
This scene is the perfect example of everything wrong with him. Nothing he says or does makes any sense cuz its so obvious that half his lines got cut out and the editing where it just goes from them talking to common off screen yelling YO J! to a gun shot followed by Jared Leto holding a gun is just embarassingly shot. Jared Leto seriously looks like hes acting but cutting the scene to shreds just makes it even worse
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Ruvan22
10/11/19 8:50:51 AM
#73:


bobbysjoby2 posted...
Darmik posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn7o-SfmdLo" data-time="


You don't want no beef?

Leto sucks too. This is embarassing.
This scene is the perfect example of everything wrong with him. Nothing he says or does makes any sense cuz its so obvious that half his lines got cut out and the editing where it just goes from them talking to common off screen yelling YO J! to a gun shot followed by Jared Leto holding a gun is just embarassingly shot. Jared Leto seriously looks like hes acting but cutting the scene to shreds just makes it even worse


See this is what I mean - now that I see this clip I somewhat remember it.. but most of the things I remember from SS are the main plotline/characters, not the "Friend of a friend" type scene like this
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/11/19 8:53:56 AM
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Leto only had like.... 2 scenes the whole movie.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 2:09:30 PM
#75:


Darmik posted...
The thing with the Joker is that he only should need a single scene to stick out so you can't even really blame the small screentime.

Look at any scene of Jack Napier Joker and he's amusing and fun to watch.

TDK Joker was introduced to the world in the beginning bank robbery scene. That already painted a huge picture into what that character is going to be and he only says one single line. That clip was shown off long before even the first trailer. Hell I don't think there's a single scene with the Joker in TDK where he doesn't stand out in some way. Even when he isn't in the movie you can feel his presence working its way in the background.

Leto Joker is a dime a dozen unhinged gangster with clown paint and tattoos. This world already establishes him as being around for a long time and he would need a total retcon to be interesting. The guy got to work with the Mad Love story and it still sucked. Everything about it was a failure.

The script could be the issue because he didn't really have any good lines to work with but it's not like I look at the character and see potential there. Birds of Prey is probably a better movie without him.


I see what you mean

au_gold posted...
It was definitely the script.


action52 posted...
SRR Capdown posted...
Honestly, the SS Joker's design wasnt that bad. Especially, when you consider all the cut content that explained it.

He's supposed to be a post 'Death in the Family' Joker, where he's kidnapped and murdered Jason Todd/Robin. As a result, Batman literally smashed his face in and came very close to killing him. His lack of smile, grills and hand tattoo, are a result of him physically being unable to do so. The Damaged tattoo on his head is supposed to be a visual reminder to Batman about how close he came to killing him. As much of a message about Batman's psyche as it is about Joker's.

I still dont think the design was great, especially as an introduction to the character. It would have been a cool change if we actually got a whole film about it and saw the transition from a more classic design to the design we got. But it is a lot better when you consider the stuff cut.

Nobody cares about any of that. They could have integrated all that in a way that didn't make him look like a pile of silver and bright green vomit.

He looks terrible and acts obnoxious. And he's not even funny or anything.

That's the problem.


Damn I feel that that's deep

Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Leto only had like.... 2 scenes the whole movie.



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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 2:14:23 PM
#76:


Darmik posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn7o-SfmdLo" data-time="


You don't want no beef?

Leto sucks too. This is embarassing.


That whole scene including editing was smh AF too
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/11/19 5:12:36 PM
#77:


Hard to judge Leto's Joker when there's only the club scene and the scene where Harley Quinn dances with Joker. If he was actually the main focus of the movie it would be easier to say if he was a hit or miss.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 5:16:37 PM
#78:


Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Hard to judge Leto's Joker when there's only the club scene and the scene where Harley Quinn dances with Joker. If he was actually the main focus of the movie it would be easier to say if he was a hit or miss.


Yeah you're right honestly!
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Woodger
10/11/19 5:18:41 PM
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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 5:21:42 PM
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Woodger posted...
04MsFOc


Lol the photo i shared on Facebook before starting this thread
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greatmonkeybaby
10/11/19 6:23:39 PM
#81:


WrFo5Xu
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Zack_Attackv1
10/11/19 6:28:09 PM
#82:


There was nothing inherently remarkable about Jared Leto's portrayal.
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Philosopher_X
10/11/19 10:50:26 PM
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Nothing to redeem when you weren't even really given a chance
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DarthAragorn
10/11/19 10:52:17 PM
#84:


If he gets one scene where he's murdered by the real Joker, sure
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greatmonkeybaby
10/12/19 7:13:20 AM
#85:


Philosopher_X posted...
Nothing to redeem when you weren't even really given a chance


Dang poor Jared Leto..

DarthAragorn posted...
If he gets one scene where he's murdered by the real Joker, sure


Real Joker? Who? Willem Dafoe?
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greatmonkeybaby
10/13/19 8:52:51 PM
#86:


It's been long enough I might re watch that extended version of Suicide Squad to refresh on Leto's portrayal
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greatmonkeybaby
10/14/19 4:30:44 PM
#87:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
It's been long enough I might re watch that extended version of Suicide Squad to refresh on Leto's portrayal


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UnfairRepresent
10/14/19 5:41:10 PM
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greatmonkeybaby posted...
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Southernfatman
10/14/19 5:46:02 PM
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He comes off as too try-hardish in more way than one.

greatmonkeybaby posted...
WrFo5Xu


Damn lol

greatmonkeybaby posted...
Real Joker? Who? Willem Dafoe?


He so needs to be The Joker in a live action version of The Dark Knight Returns.
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greatmonkeybaby
10/14/19 8:55:17 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
He comes off as too try-hardish in more way than one.

greatmonkeybaby posted...
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Damn lol

greatmonkeybaby posted...
Real Joker? Who? Willem Dafoe?


He so needs to be The Joker in a live action version of The Dark Knight Returns.


Damn that would be soooo epic
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greatmonkeybaby
10/15/19 7:11:07 PM
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It at least would have been cool to see Leto's Joker fight Batman tbh he was in good shape physically
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