Current Events > Who are the commies on CE that proudclad keeps talking about?

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I have jjp05c and Were_Wyrm tagged as ones but its been awhile so it mightve been non-serious.
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Godnorgosh posted...

This is why I talk politics here btw

It's cute that you see yourself that way. You're more like a Magikarp that was given 99 rare candies by its trainer. It looks powerful but it still just flops around.

And LOL at simultaneously peddling an ideology that wants to have giant, if not 100% taxes while complaining about bosses getting their fair share for the risk they undertake when starting a business.
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Disengaged posted...

Oh.

So you're blatantly and cringworthingly ignorant then.

Socialism, as in actual lets have the government nationalize work and business socialists, not, hey some things should not be commodified 'democratic 'socialists'' and communism are diametrically opposed to each other.

They are mutually exclusive.

Calling someone who says they are socialist a communist, because they said they were
..... socialist is really f***ing stupid.

Socialism, not democratic socialism. He said he is a socialist. That is not diametrically opposed to communism. It is communism with slightly more patience. Socialism is to communism what nationalism is to fascism.

Don't disregard the CEmen who openly take on the "communist" label.
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pls posted...

Socialism is to communism what nationalism is to fascism.

This is false

3 of the 4 don't depend on borders, 1 does
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

pls posted...

Socialism is to communism what nationalism is to fascism.

This is false

3 of the 4 don't depend on borders, 1 does

You can always find some characteristic that breaks the analogy / comparison but the point was to rank the "severity" of the worldview in relation to it's "older brother" worldview in a way that a CE leftist would understand.
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pls posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

pls posted...

Socialism is to communism what nationalism is to fascism.

This is false

3 of the 4 don't depend on borders, 1 does

You can always find some characteristic that breaks the analogy / comparison but the point was to rank the "severity" of the worldview in relation to it's "older brother" worldview in a way that a CE leftist would understand.

I shouldnt even be in this topic, away with me
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always a classic
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lmao

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Not sure why you feel the need to ignore that Marx promoted the concept of a Proletarian dictatorship that ruled with an iron fist and squashed any opposition with violence and threats of violence.

Also it's impossible to exist as a modern society without organization and some central authority or process for moving along decision making. Any amount of that is effectively a "state"
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He has had multiple accounts banned for trolling, why do people still respond to him?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Good luck on the procedure Goats

Why would you bump this rather than post in his Bye topic? Why are you instigating? Not very Christlike of you.
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Clod flips his views more than a lightswitch and drumpf

Malfunction posted...

Anybody with even mildly left leaning views is a communist to proudclad

@Malfunction

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074058

Why are you disputing that markets are more humane and fair and sustainable than "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?"

And now some serious damage control for China. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074147/928541390


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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78075828#19

fucking yikes
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pls posted...

@Malfunction

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074058

Why are you disputing that markets are more humane and fair and sustainable than "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?"

And now some serious damage control for China. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074147/928541390

People starving to death, dying in the cold, and unable to afford life-saving medicine that costs pennies to make is "humane." Okay.

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jumi posted...

pls posted...

@Malfunction

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074058

Why are you disputing that markets are more humane and fair and sustainable than "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?"

And now some serious damage control for China. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78074147/928541390

People starving to death, dying in the cold, and unable to afford life-saving medicine that costs pennies to make is "humane." Okay.

A system being imperfect doesn't make it worse than the slavery that results when you implement Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Surely you understand this basic logic, comrade.
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pls posted...

A system being imperfect doesn't make it worse than the slavery that results when you implement Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Surely you understand this basic logic, comrade.

It's not that the system is imperfect, it's that it refuses to change.

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Supporting communism should be a bannable offense.
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jumi posted...

pls posted...

A system being imperfect doesn't make it worse than the slavery that results when you implement Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Surely you understand this basic logic, comrade.

It's not that the system is imperfect, it's that it refuses to change.

Interesting that this is a criticism you make against markets but not against communism, even though capitalism can be regulated but communism accepts no regulation since it'd be considered a "class antagonism" designed to reign in the proletariat.

Also, consider this global trend, comrade.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

Made a hell of a lot more progress under global markets than we did under any socialism.
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The relaxing of the flaming rules was a mistake.
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pls posted...

Interesting that this is a criticism you make against markets but not against communism, even though capitalism can be regulated but communism accepts no regulation since it'd be considered a "class antagonism" designed to reign in the proletariat.

Also, consider this global trend, comrade.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

Made a hell of a lot more progress under global markets than we did under any socialism.

The Soviet Union and China developed (and in China's case, continue to develop) many, many, many technological advances that have contributed to the modern world.

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Also no true Communist would want to substitute a rich boot on his throat for a governmental boot on his throat.

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jumi posted...

pls posted...

Interesting that this is a criticism you make against markets but not against communism, even though capitalism can be regulated but communism accepts no regulation since it'd be considered a "class antagonism" designed to reign in the proletariat.

Also, consider this global trend, comrade.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

Made a hell of a lot more progress under global markets than we did under any socialism.

The Soviet Union and China developed (and in China's case, continue to develop) many, many, many technological advances that have contributed to the modern world.

This is no different than trying to defend Nazi Germany by saying that Nazi scientists developed medical and technological advancements that have contributed to the modern world. Regardless of what accidental good was salvaged from their regimes, Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc, killed tens of millions of people and displaced hundreds of millions.

And the brunt of modern technological advancements have come from America and Europe. China today at its best is still a copycat.
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jumi posted...

Also no true Communist would want to substitute a rich boot on his throat for a governmental boot on his throat.

This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. And it's also a dishonest argument considering that Marx advocated for a proletarian dictatorship that controlled everything with violence or the threat of violence for as long as the proletariat deemed necessary.
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If we're comparing death tolls, let's not forget capitalism's death tolls: WWI, WWII, the American Civil War, the American Revolutionary War, the slave trade, colonialism, and the wholesale slaughter of a continent of Native Americans. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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I'm not going to entertain your inaccurate and dishonest attempt to describe capitalism's deaths until you either concede the previous arguments you made or actually respond to my rebuttals.
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pls posted...

I'm not going to entertain your inaccurate and dishonest attempt to describe capitalism's deaths until you either concede the previous arguments you made or actually respond to my rebuttals.

Marx never intended for the Proletariat to oppress the Proletariat. And to discount China's continuing contributions to the modern world as mere copying is both laughable and dishonest.

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jumi posted...

pls posted...

I'm not going to entertain your inaccurate and dishonest attempt to describe capitalism's deaths until you either concede the previous arguments you made or actually respond to my rebuttals.

Marx never intended for the Proletariat to oppress the Proletariat. And to discount China's continuing contributions to the modern world as mere copying is both laughable and dishonest.

Marx explicitly said that anyone who opposed the Proletarian revolution was to be suppressed with violence or threats of violence. He didn't sugar coat that. He also said that anything that was a "class antagonism" such as religion, or really any social norm, should be disposed of with violence and dictatorship as necessary.

And that definitely included people who were not the bourgeoisie but who opposed the movement anyway.

China is known to copy a lot more technology than they produce. Plenty of literature/evidence on the subject if you care to google. They are good copycats, but not good at developing original IP. Which is why they are known and have been caught to copy.

And again, no matter what kind of accidental good was salvaged from Hitler, Mao, Stalin, or etc, that doesn't mean those regimes are justified.
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Seriously dude, why would you keep your gamertag and facebook profile in plain view if you're going to post tankie garbage?
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pls posted...

Seriously dude, why would you keep your gamertag and facebook profile in plain view if you're going to post tankie garbage?

"Tankie?" You're the only one posting trash here.

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jumi posted...

pls posted...

Seriously dude, why would you keep your gamertag and facebook profile in plain view if you're going to post tankie garbage?

"Tankie?" You're the only one posting trash here.

You haven't refuted a single argument I've made and you've posted Nazi and Stalin/Mao apologetics garbage. Tankies are Stalin/Mao/etc apologists.
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pls posted...

You haven't refuted a single argument I've made and you've posted Nazi and Stalin/Mao apologetics garbage. Tankies are Stalin/Mao/etc apologists.

Your entire argument amounts to "nuh-uh!" There's nothing to refute.

And tankies are British communists.

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My argument was that China is known to copy technology far more than they produce unique technology, and that supporting communism by pointing at accidental Soviet or Maoist technological contributions is no different than supporting Nazism in the same way.

You also completely ran away from my argument about how Marx advocated for a proletarian dictatorship that included violence and the threats of violence against anyone who dissented, regardless of how wealthy they were, and against anything that could be construed as a "class antagonism"
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jumi posted...

If we're comparing death tolls, let's not forget capitalism's death tolls: WWI, WWII, the American Civil War, the American Revolutionary War, the slave trade, colonialism, and the wholesale slaughter of a continent of Native Americans. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Let's not forget the millions of people who die every year because of lack of access to food, clean water, and access to medicine for easily treatable diseases. Heck, if those damn commies wanna beat us, they have their work cut out for them.
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Again, capitalism being imperfect does not make communism better. Especially not when the weight of evidence and data is clearly on the side of markets over communism.

Every sustained socialist experiment has collapsed into more poverty, disease, and starvation than any part of America.

I'll go ahead and share this again since the weight of actual evidence was lost on you guys the first time.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

This rapid progress has occurred predominately in the last two decades, decidedly after the largest socialist experiments had collapsed.
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pls posted...

Again, capitalism being imperfect does not make communism better. Especially not when the weight of evidence and data is clearly on the side of markets over communism.

Every sustained socialist experiment has collapsed into more poverty, disease, and starvation than any part of America.

I'll go ahead and share this again since the weight of actual evidence was lost on you guys the first time.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

This rapid progress has occurred predominately in the last two decades, decidedly after the largest socialist experiments had collapsed.

China is literally the largest socialist experiment ever, and has not collapsed.

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pls posted...

Again, capitalism being imperfect does not make communism better. Especially not when the weight of evidence and data is clearly on the side of markets over communism.

I think its a good thing that capitalism isn't perfect, considering how successful they already are at murdering us. But, who knows what the future will bring.

pls posted...

Every sustained socialist experiment has collapsed into more poverty, disease, and starvation than any part of America.

How many of them wound up being better than they were before? Comparing them to an already rich country that is responsible for much of the strife in the world seems uncharitable to both them and us.

pls posted...

I'll go ahead and share this again since the weight of actual evidence was lost on you guys the first time.

"The available long-run evidence shows that in the past, only a small elite enjoyed living conditions that would not be described as extreme poverty today. But with the onset of industrialization and rising productivity, the share of people living in extreme poverty started to decrease. Accordingly, the share of people in extreme poverty has decreased continuously over the course of the last two centuries. This is surely one of the most remarkable achievements of humankind."

And it only took, what, 400 to 500 years?

According to your source, extreme poverty is less than two bucks a day. Excuse me if I am unimpressed from the start and don't want to read that in its entirety. You could at least cite where, in the article, it is mentioned that capitalism in particular and the fall of whatever socialist experiment countries as well are responsible for people making about $2 or more a day instead of less. It seems you would have mentioned this, instead of merely citing a decrease in global poverty in the last few decades and pointing out the coincidence of the collapse of unnamed Communist governments.
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pls posted...

I'm not going to entertain your inaccurate and dishonest attempt to describe capitalism's deaths until you either concede the previous arguments you made or actually respond to my rebuttals.

"Waaaahhh"
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So many fucking comrades
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"Say Brain, what're we gonna do tonight?"

"Same thing we do every night, Pinko... try to seize the means of production."

treewojima posted...

"Say Brain, what're we gonna do tonight?"

"Same thing we do every night, Pinko... try to seize the means of production."

Of course, Brain would be the first against the wall when the revolution happens.

Our World In Data, the source posted by TC, doesn't mention the Soviet Union, USSR, capitalism or communism once. It did mention that the past 200 years is when we've seen the greatest expanse of economic growth, which just so happens to concur with the rise of the social welfare state in the western world, the widespread banning of slavery, the birth of communism and its implementation by several countries, landing on the moon, the invention of 4K Blu-ray players, the life and death of Sam Peckinpah, the 'Paul McCartney Is Dead' conspiracy theory, Chuck E. Cheese, cat memes, King Kong, Godzilla, the Rankin/Bass Cinematic Universe, and the Virtual Boy.
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The vast majority of poverty reduction has happened in the last two decades, as a result of free economic activity and global markets.
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pls posted...

The vast majority of poverty reduction has happened in the last two decades, as a result of free economic activity and global markets.

False. It happened because of cat memes.
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