Current Events > MGM has been ordered to pay almost 800 million to the families of those

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...murdered by las vegas shooter steven paddock
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bumpers
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But why.
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Nice source. I believe you

They'll make it back in a day from suckers who think they have a system

Foppe posted...

But why.

They basically failed at the most basic levels of due diligence to protect their guests. This dude was able to smuggle in "around 20 large bags of weapons and ammunition" right past hotel staff. He had a full arsenal stockpiled in his hotel room, and not once did anybody think to question what the hell he was doing.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Foppe posted...

But why.

They basically failed at the most basic levels of due diligence to protect their guests. This dude was able to smuggle in "around 20 large bags of weapons and ammunition" right past hotel staff. He had a full arsenal stockpiled in his hotel room, and not once did anybody think to question what the hell he was doing.

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Foppe posted...

But why.

They basically failed at the most basic levels of due diligence to protect their guests. This dude was able to smuggle in "around 20 large bags of weapons and ammunition" right past hotel staff. He had a full arsenal stockpiled in his hotel room, and not once did anybody think to question what the hell he was doing.

And if they would do those checks, they would get sued for even more.
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Apparently MGM's insurers will foot most of the bill anyway
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Zangulus posted...

Foppe posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Foppe posted...

But why.

They basically failed at the most basic levels of due diligence to protect their guests. This dude was able to smuggle in "around 20 large bags of weapons and ammunition" right past hotel staff. He had a full arsenal stockpiled in his hotel room, and not once did anybody think to question what the hell he was doing.

And if they would do those checks, they would get sued for even more.

Wut

Hotels should be allowed to invade our privacy now and check every bag you got?
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The Trent posted...

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence

Literally twenty-one large, heavy bags of ammunition, brought up over the course of 3-4 days.
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Foppe posted...

Hotels should be allowed to invade our privacy now and check every bag you got?

At some point you need to start asking questions when somebody's bringing 21 bags up into their single-person room.
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Foppe posted...

And if they would do those checks, they would get sued for even more.

Posts like this dont help your case that you didnt do it at all.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Trent posted...

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence

Literally twenty-one large, heavy bags of ammunition, brought up over the course of 3-4 days.

Okay but if he did this over the course of several days it seems unlikely anyone would notice how many bags he has
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Trent posted...

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence

Literally twenty-one large, heavy bags of ammunition, brought up over the course of 3-4 days.

And hid it so well that to my knowledge at least, no one raised suspicion. Not guests, staff, no one. So we either put up metal detectors ar every door with TSA style guards at them, or we treat for what it was; a single man that knew how to blend in and not raise suspicion, and take advantage of a complacent environment where large bags of luggage are a common sight.
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eston posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Trent posted...

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence

Literally twenty-one large, heavy bags of ammunition, brought up over the course of 3-4 days.

Okay but if he did this over the course of several days it seems unlikely anyone would notice how many bags he has

seriously how dense
@gobstoppers12 please articulate what the hotel should have done to prevent this
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Malcrasternus posted...

And hid it so well that to my knowledge at least, no one raised suspicion. Not guests, staff, no one. So we either put up metal detectors ar every door with TSA style guards at them, or we treat for what it was; a single man that knew how to blend in and not raise suspicion, and take advantage of a complacent environment where large bags of luggage are a common sight.

You seem to think you know better than a judge hearing all the evidence from the defense and the claimants.

Assuming this isn't completely made up. Nobody has posted a source yet.
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People are allowed to disagree with a judge's opinion
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78060533
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The Trent posted...

seriously how dense
@gobstoppers12 please articulate what the hotel should have done to prevent this

Maybe when one of the housekeepers went in to change the sheets and saw 20 bags of guns and ammo, he or she could have passed along the information to the management.

Or maybe when reviewing security footage, they might notice this same guy coming into his room with more bags, but never leaving with a bag. That's odd behavior for somebody staying in a hotel. You don't normally bring more than ~2 bags per person to a hotel room.

It's just mad suspicious. If his bags were full of cheese or something, fine, apologize for the inconvenience and leave him be. But if he's got literally 21 bags of guns and ammo in his hotel room, there's not really a rational explanation for that.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Trent posted...

seriously how dense
@gobstoppers12 please articulate what the hotel should have done to prevent this

Maybe when one of the housekeepers went in to change the sheets and saw 20 bags of guns and ammo, he or she could have passed along the information to the management.

Or maybe when reviewing security footage, they might notice this same guy coming into his room with more bags, but never leaving with a bag. That's odd behavior for somebody staying in a hotel. You don't normally bring more than ~2 bags per person to a hotel room.

It's just mad suspicious. If his bags were full of cheese or something, fine, apologize for the inconvenience and leave him be. But if he's got literally 21 bags of guns and ammo in his hotel room, there's not really a rational explanation for that.

have you ever fucking been in a hotel
if the dude has a DND sign outside the housekeeping isn't going inside
reviewing security footage? the hell
if he did this over multiple shifts it's just not noticeable
what are you even saying
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Maybe when one of the housekeepers went in to change the sheets and saw 20 bags of guns and ammo, he or she could have passed along the information to the management.

Do we know for a fact that this even happened? Given the amount of prep it seems incredibly unlikely he would actually let housekeeping into the room, which also isn't terribly unusual
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literally a las vegas hotel where thousands of people are moving about hour by hour
review the security footage he says lol
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Foppe posted...

But why.

MGM has money. The shooter's estate does not.

The Trent posted...

what are you even saying

I'm saying that the hotel fucked up and their lack of attention resulted in a maniac having unrestricted access to a high balcony, overlooking a crowded music festival, with 21 bags of guns/ammo.

The Trent posted...

reviewing security footage? the hell

Are you saying that this is unusual? Most of the time, either at the end or the start of a new day/shift, somebody looks at the security tapes to see if anything bizarre happened. I'd say "This guy keeps coming in with more and more bags but never leaves with any" might count as being pretty unusual.
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Also, again, doing this over the course of several days means it's very unlikely the people on security detail would notice him bringing all these bags in. Different people over many different shifts, plus I doubt the bags looked distinctively different enough for anyone to notice that they weren't the same bag. There's zero reason anyone would notice that he isn't leaving with any bags.
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The Trent posted...

have you ever fucking been in a hotel
if the dude has a DND sign outside the housekeeping isn't going inside
reviewing security footage? the hell
if he did this over multiple shifts it's just not noticeable
what are you even saying

It was the MGM in Las Vegas.

The biggest hotel in America. Located on the Las Vegas strip. Famously robbed by George Clooney.

Why do you assume they have no security?
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Trent posted...

what are you even saying

I'm saying that the hotel fucked up and their lack of attention resulted in a maniac having unrestricted access to a high balcony, overlooking a crowded music festival, with 21 bags of guns/ammo.

The Trent posted...

reviewing security footage? the hell

Are you saying that this is unusual? Most of the time, either at the end or the start of a new day/shift, somebody looks at the security tapes to see if anything bizarre happened. I'd say "This guy keeps coming in with more and more bags but never leaves with any" might count as being pretty unusual.

okay i hear what you're saying
what i am saying is you have no idea what you're talking about or any inkling of the logistics and application of what you are saying
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DeadBankerDream posted...

The Trent posted...

have you ever fucking been in a hotel
if the dude has a DND sign outside the housekeeping isn't going inside
reviewing security footage? the hell
if he did this over multiple shifts it's just not noticeable
what are you even saying

It was the MGM in Las Vegas.

The biggest hotel in America. Located on the Las Vegas strip. Famously robbed by George Clooney.

Why do you assume they have no security?

i've stayed in a suite there
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

And hid it so well that to my knowledge at least, no one raised suspicion. Not guests, staff, no one. So we either put up metal detectors ar every door with TSA style guards at them, or we treat for what it was; a single man that knew how to blend in and not raise suspicion, and take advantage of a complacent environment where large bags of luggage are a common sight.

You seem to think you know better than a judge hearing all the evidence from the defense and the claimants.

Assuming this isn't completely made up. Nobody has posted a source yet.

In the age of "do something" solutions, it's fair to ask what you thought could have stopped it and are you willing to accept the larger implications to those solutions if they are gross invasions of privacy.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Are you saying that this is unusual? Most of the time, either at the end or the start of a new day/shift, somebody looks at the security tapes to see if anything bizarre happened. I'd say "This guy keeps coming in with more and more bags but never leaves with any" might count as being pretty unusual.

I don't think this is true. It wouldn't be practical to have someone sit and do this every shift. They have people actively monitoring the cameras in casinos, but I'm pretty sure it only gets reviewed after the fact if something happened that they are aware of.
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The Trent posted...

what i am saying is you have no idea what you're talking about or any inkling of the logistics and application of what you are saying

Bottom line is, the hotel is paying the victims because--even though they're not admitting fault--they're at least partially to blame for what happened.

In case some of you have him blocked, a source was posted in this topic:

PatrickMahomes posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78060533

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Don't get me wrong I think it's great that the victims are getting something

I just don't see what MGM could have reasonably been expected to do in order to prevent this
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if that makes you feel like you were right and the hotel could have done something, then put that feather in your cap and live it up
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Foppe posted...

Hotels should be allowed to invade our privacy now and check every bag you got?

At some point you need to start asking questions when somebody's bringing 21 bags up into their single-person room.

That's a pretty big hotel in a tourist spot, the idea that the ever changing staff would notice the same man going in and out with different cases over the course of a few days is a lot to ask for. On top of it being none of their damn business if he had weapons in his luggage or not.

Not that it mattered in the end, since he suspiciously only used two guns that could easily be fit in one.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Not that it mattered in the end, since he suspiciously only used two guns that could easily be fit in one.

My guess is that he was planning some kind of stand-off and wanted to have weapons/ammo for the variety of situations he cooked up in his head. I guess when the police were actually at his door, he realized none of those plans were going to work out.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face."
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and my friends who have been to conferences in Vegas the last couple of years have said that they now have policies where someone will enter your room at least once a day to do a "welfare" check. No knocks, just walk in and check everywhere, no exceptions. I know a couple of women who have been in the shower when hotel security just walks in.

lol what happened to the UK being a police state guys
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That's silly
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i'm still holding firm in my belief that what he did was strategically unpack his bags 1 bag at a time from his car so as not to raise any suspicions. there's no way hotel security can keep an eye on everybody all the time. now if he were to come in by as a single man and ask for the bellboy to bring up 30 bags that would be something that raises a red flag.
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MGM owns like half of the hotels on the strip.
They'll be fine.
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i guess we know why mgm laid off 12% of their staff
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Neoconkers posted...

and my friends who have been to conferences in Vegas the last couple of years have said that they now have policies where someone will enter your room at least once a day to do a "welfare" check. No knocks, just walk in and check everywhere, no exceptions. I know a couple of women who have been in the shower when hotel security just walks in.

lol what happened to the UK being a police state guys

I stayed at The Flamingo for a week this past June and none of this occurred there. The year before I was at The Tropicana where my roommate was sick and in the room most of the time. Same experience.
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The Trent posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Foppe posted...

But why.

They basically failed at the most basic levels of due diligence to protect their guests. This dude was able to smuggle in "around 20 large bags of weapons and ammunition" right past hotel staff. He had a full arsenal stockpiled in his hotel room, and not once did anybody think to question what the hell he was doing.

yeah they should check every single guest's personal belongings with absolute scrutiny or else they are failing the most basic levels of due diligence

obviously they do. considered all those murdered.

stay classy tho...
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They really should check every persons bags. Have a section where you unpack your bags in front of them and then put it back in. Someone could sneak in ammunition or gun parts to assemble in their room.

We shouldnt wait until the next tragedy happens, hotels need to start taking a proactive approach to ensuring the safety and disarmament of their guests.
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They need metal detectors and open room bag checks. Who cares if they unpack your bag of dildos youre gonna use on a homeless hooker in front of everyone. What happens in vegas, stays in vegas.
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SH_expert44 posted...

They need metal detectors and open room bag checks. Who cares if they unpack your bag of dildos youre gonna use on a homeless hooker in front of everyone. What happens in vegas, stays in vegas.

cept for herpes.
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I have a feeling they found something that MGM didn't do that would've easily prevented the tragedy. In any case, I don't see anything wrong with a bit more security for the people, as long as it isn't TSA level of taking advantage of the situation
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