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https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/bill-gates-guesses-grocery-prices/
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That tweet is sickening.
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Surely the homeless are victims of capitalism, with no fault of their own as individuals...RIGHT?!
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*was hoping the OP was going to be "BUT IT'S WRONG!!!"*
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What the hell at that tweet?
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GregShmedley posted...

That can't be real...

I sure hope not.
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Master_Bass posted...

GregShmedley posted...

That can't be real...

I sure hope not.

Its real but I think its a riff on the Bill Gates grocery-guessing article in the OP.
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How is this a problem with capitalism?
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Squall28 posted...

How is this a problem with capitalism?

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Squall28 posted...

How is this a problem with capitalism?

No one has ever gone hungry under any other economic system. Obviously.
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WilliamPorygon posted...

*was hoping the OP was going to be "BUT IT'S WRONG!!!"*

we're getting old
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To be fair, rich people probably couldn't guess the price of a pot of beef stew.

same thi n g b o t h s i d e s
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Don't really get it
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Squall28 posted...

How is this a problem with capitalism?

WHOOOOOSH

The Admiral posted...

Squall28 posted...

How is this a problem with capitalism?

WHOOOOOOSH

Clutch posted...

Squall28 posted...

How is this a problem with capitalism?

No one has ever gone hungry under any other economic system. Obviously.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

To be fair, rich people probably couldn't guess the price of a pot of beef stew.

same thi n g b o t h s i d e s

yup lol Bill Gates thought Totinos pizza rolls cost $22
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deupd_u posted...

Surely the homeless are victims of capitalism, with no fault of their own as individuals...RIGHT?!

for the most part, yes
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averagejoel posted...

deupd_u posted...

Surely the homeless are victims of capitalism, with no fault of their own as individuals...RIGHT?!

for the most part, yes

Also that.
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Here's where CE does its shitty classist "refuse to understand generational or systemic poverty" thing

Rexdragon125 posted...

Here's where CE does its shitty classist "refuse to understand generational or systemic poverty" thing

CE gon CE
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when i originally saw that bill gates game i lost my shit. so disgusting
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Alright I'll bite. What is the woosh?
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Squall28 posted...

Alright I'll bite. What is the woosh?

Enter the topic again with an unbiased mind and youll realize I didnt say capitalism is the only system with homeless people in it.

Thats not the point of this topic. Ill explain further if you need but I think youll get it if you can manage to suppress that rabid, burning passion for capitalism for a few seconds and read the OP with a clear head.
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My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw" data-time="
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Rexdragon125 posted...

Here's where CE does its shitty classist "refuse to understand generational or systemic poverty" thing

I don't really understand how half the people here are unable to grasp the concept ... :/ i mean on one hand i guess it's nice to grow up in a nice and cushy household but geez.
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Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw" data-time="

Damn, you couldnt follow my advice and continue to attack your imagined strawman.
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Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).
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capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass.

The very nature of humans not being equal in intellect, ability, and drive to succeed will inevitably result in an "underclass."

Whether the upper class is government, corporations, the mafia, etc. Doesn't matter.
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averagejoel posted...

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass

I'm pretty sure it's human nature that necessitates an underclass not capitalism.

Poor people existed before capitalism
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konokonohamaru posted...

averagejoel posted...

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass

I'm pretty sure it's human nature that necessitates an underclass not capitalism.

Poor people existed before capitalism

please read the rest of my post, including the bit in parentheses, before responding.
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good grief those hens really went crazy over the gift
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Shablagoo posted...

Damn, you couldnt follow my advice and continue to attack your imagined strawman.

How about you actually explain your position?
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ofc @deupd_u and @The_Admiral get triggered from a joke post
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Godnorgosh posted...

This idea that humans have a "nature" which exists independently of the conditions in which they live is an interesting one, as it's an unfortunately common claim to adopt without evidence or substance behind it. If it exists, trying to guess what it is might as well be playing with horoscopes.

As if 3,000 years of written human history isn't enough
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averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.
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Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.

capitalism is a fair bit more than "letting people own their business"
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I'd say the fact that worthless morons and competent, intelligent individuals alike, and everything in between, can exist across all spectrums of the class system is an indication that class systems are not related to the individual worth of a person, nor are they rooted in human nature.
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averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.

capitalism is a fair bit more than "letting people own their business"

Alright then. Explain. Specifically how capitalism necessitates an underclass.
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What's the tweet say? My work blocks twitter

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Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.

capitalism is a fair bit more than "letting people own their business"

Alright then. Explain. Specifically how capitalism necessitates an underclass.

Communism, and to a lesser extent Socialism, necessitates a scapegoat.
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DarkRoast posted...

Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.

capitalism is a fair bit more than "letting people own their business"

Alright then. Explain. Specifically how capitalism necessitates an underclass.

Communism, and to a lesser extent Socialism, necessitates a scapegoat.

Communism literally emerged as a response to capitalism, so its not like this is wrong. But it is the first mention of communism in this thread about capitalism, so one could say that capitalism has a hard time justifying its continued existence without using its critics as a scapegoat.
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It's pretty obvious not all humans are created equal. Some are stronger. Some are smarter. Some are harder working. It's observable in every day Life. No years of history needed.

Your parents have a huge influence on your success in life. No one is denying that or saying capitalism is a pure meritocracy.

No present system will fix that, and anything that will require taking kids from their parents and raising them all equally. And I doubt anyone wants to destroy the idea of a family in exchange for equality.
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Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Squall28 posted...

My point is that capitalism is not what caused his situation. Your topic is like saying rock on the floor caused there to be no tigers in the area because they happen to coexist.

no it's not.

capitalism as an economic system necessitates the existence of an underclass. the fact is that anyone who is a part of that underclass is a victim of circumstances caused by capitalism (this is not to say that their situation is unique to capitalism: feudalism, for example, also couldn't have existed without the peasant class to do the work).

All capitalism is is letting people own their business. Nothing about that "necessitates" the existence of an underclass unless you somehow think employing people victimizes them.

capitalism is a fair bit more than "letting people own their business"

Alright then. Explain. Specifically how capitalism necessitates an underclass.

in Feudalism, Serfs lived and worked on land owned by a Feudal Lord, who collected some of what they produced as payment for allowing them to live on the land.

in capitalism, the relationship between the Worker and the Boss is very similar to the Serf/Feudal Lord relationship. under capitalism, the majority of people sell their body in order to survive. That is; they have a contract with someone who owns some sort of business, and that contract essentially gives the business owner ownership over the worker for a number of hours each week, in exchange for an hourly wage.

because their survival is dependent on their ability to sell their labour, workers tend to have less bargaining power than the owners, whose business is not directly dependent on any one specific worker. it is not an equal relationship.

the amount of money that workers make for their boss is significantly more than what they make themselves; meanwhile, the money that the boss makes is not dependent on doing any work at all.

and in terms of the amount of money that the worker produces but doesn't get to keep, capitalism is actually more exploitative than feudalism: in feudalism, the serfs knew exactly how much grain the Lord was taking from them. in capitalism, wage labour provides another level of abstraction.

yet business as we know them -- capitalist enterprises -- cannot function without human labour. functionally, there has to be a larger number of workers than owners. functionally, the owners have to be paying the workers less than what they produce, or the business wouldn't turn a profit.
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Squall is gonna reply to that with some snarky one liner lol
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Averagejoel must've just taken Babby's First Marxism
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DarkRoast posted...

Averagejoel must've just taken Babby's First Marxism

Almost called it lol
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ZMythos posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Averagejoel must've just taken Babby's First Marxism

Almost called it lol

people really hate objective descriptions of the economic system
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ZMythos posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Averagejoel must've just taken Babby's First Marxism

Almost called it lol

lmao
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