Current Events > Arizona Supreme court sides with Christian card makers over gay wedding dispute

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darkphoenix181 09/17/19 3:59:52 PM #1:	https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1055291 The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that a local nondiscrimination ordinance violated two Christian wedding invitation calligraphers' free speech. The free speech rights of two Christian artists who make wedding invitations were violated by an anti-discrimination ordinance in Phoenix that makes it illegal to refuse service to same-sex couples for religious reasons, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Monday. The 4-3 decision reversed lower-court rulings favoring the city. The state Supreme Court said its ruling is limited to only the creation of custom wedding invitations by Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski and isn't a blanket exemption from the ordinance for all their business operations. The artists, who believe a marriage should be between only a man and woman, had argued that the ordinance would violate their religious beliefs by forcing them to custom-make products for same-sex marriage ceremonies. The high court said the city can't force them to make same-sex wedding invitations. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:927573459] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1055291 <quote>The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that a local nondiscrimination ordinance violated two Christian wedding invitation calligraphers' free speech. The free speech rights of two Christian artists who make wedding invitations were violated by an anti-discrimination ordinance in Phoenix that makes it illegal to refuse service to same-sex couples for religious reasons, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Monday. The 4-3 decision reversed lower-court rulings favoring the city. The state Supreme Court said its ruling is limited to only the creation of custom wedding invitations by Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski and isn't a blanket exemption from the ordinance for all their business operations. The artists, who believe a marriage should be between only a man and woman, had argued that the ordinance would violate their religious beliefs by forcing them to custom-make products for same-sex marriage ceremonies. The high court said the city can't force them to make same-sex wedding invitations.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 09/17/19 4:02:03 PM #2:	Thank god --- FFX is the best game of all time. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB . Germany and Great Britain should have been on the same side in WW2. <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:927573551] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Thank god</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 09/17/19 4:02:09 PM #3:	Bad precedent --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:927573556] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Bad precedent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/17/19 4:04:14 PM #4:	Just like the judge said in the case The State of Georgia vs Rick Allen.. "You have a constitutional right to be a dumbass." <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:927573654] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Just like the judge said in the case The State of Georgia vs Rick Allen.. "You have a constitutional right to be a dumbass."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwings 09/17/19 4:08:58 PM #5:	darkphoenix181 posted... is limited to only the creation of custom wedding invitations by Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski and isn't a blanket exemption from the ordinance for all their business operations. Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination. --- "Someday I too will fly... and find you again!" https://i.imgtc.ws/pHcvIgd.gif <cite>Calwings posted [p:927573892] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>is limited to only the creation of custom wedding invitations by Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski and isn't a blanket exemption from the ordinance for all their business operations.</quote> Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 09/17/19 4:12:30 PM #6:	Freedom --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:927574036] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Freedom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/17/19 4:13:28 PM #7:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Freedom I won't letcha down... <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:927574073] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Freedom</quote> I won't letcha down...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/19 4:18:05 PM #8:	Calwings posted... Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination. Sounds like they wanted a customized card. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:927574268] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Calwings posted... </cite> <quote>Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination.</quote> Sounds like they wanted a customized card. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwings 09/17/19 4:28:06 PM #9:	darkphoenix181 posted... Calwings posted... Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination. Sounds like they wanted a customized card. I know, and that doesn't answer my question. After the card makers refused to agree to the customized cards, did they offer the couple any alternative options? Or did they just say that they weren't going to serve the couple at all? That's the difference here. If they still offered to serve the couple other ways besides those specific customized cards, then it's them fairly using their freedom of religion. If they refused to serve the couple at all, then they specifically discriminated against the couple. --- "Someday I too will fly... and find you again!" https://i.imgtc.ws/MlYa1Hw.jpg <cite>Calwings posted [p:927574720] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Calwings posted... </cite> <quote>Did they offer alternative options to the couple, like more general, non-personalized cards? If they offered other options (and the couple simply didn't take them) then this seems fair. But if they didn't offer anything else and the couple was rejected from any service at all after their initial request, then the couple definitely has a case for actual discrimination.</quote> Sounds like they wanted a customized card. </quote> I know, and that doesn't answer my question. After the card makers refused to agree to the customized cards, did they offer the couple any alternative options? Or did they just say that they weren't going to serve the couple at all? That's the difference here. If they still offered to serve the couple other ways besides those specific customized cards, then it's them fairly using their freedom of religion. If they refused to serve the couple at all, then they specifically discriminated against the couple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/19 4:29:14 PM #10:	Don't know. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:927574771] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Don't know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/17/19 5:54:18 PM #11:	HasaDiga posted... Just like the judge said in the case The State of Georgia vs Rick Allen.. "You have a constitutional right to be a dumbass." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:927578401] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>HasaDiga posted...</cite> <quote>Just like the judge said in the case The State of Georgia vs Rick Allen.. "You have a constitutional right to be a dumbass."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wewillrocku 09/17/19 6:11:49 PM #14:	christian judges at the state level in arizona: check. <cite>Wewillrocku posted [p:927579065] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>christian judges at the state level in arizona: check.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 09/17/19 6:13:57 PM #15:	But didn't the couple know they were Christian card markers? --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:927579159] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>But didn't the couple know they were Christian card markers? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/17/19 6:16:14 PM #16:	Spooking posted... As they should. Businesses should be allowed to decline whenever they wish to. Don't like it? Don't go there. Literally wrong. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:927579256] in Arizona Su... [t:78021459]...</cite> <quote>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>As they should. Businesses should be allowed to decline whenever they wish to. Don't like it? Don't go there. </quote> Literally wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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