Current Events > Marriage decline because lack of economically attractive men

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/09/09/marriage-rate-study-economically-unattractive-mxp-vpx.hln
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/09/12/study-fewer-economically-attractive-men-to-blame-for-marriage-decline/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/marriage-rates-decline-reason-economically-attractive-men-jobs-income-a9098956.html
https://www.cbs17.com/news/check-this-out/study-lack-of-economically-attractive-men-to-blame-for-marriage-decline/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-marriage-rate-down-men-money-partner-earn-making-cash-black-white-20190909-hk56ibd3t5airg43gxmtwxhhoi-story.html

A shortage of economically attractive men may be one reason for a steady decline in marriages in the United States, according to new research.

Researchers at Cornell University analyzed opposite-sex couples, comparing the incomes of potential male spouses with those of men who married women of a similar demographic.

According to the study published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, potential dream husbands have an average income that is about 58 percent higher than the actual unmarried men that are currently available. They were also 30 percent more likely to be employed and 19 percent more likely to have a college degree.

Most American women hope to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men with a stable job and good income make this increasingly difficult, especially in the current gig economy of unstable low-paying service jobs, said lead author Daniel T. Lichter, PhD, of Cornell University.

Racial and ethnic minorities, especially black women, face even more of a shortage of potential marital partners, according to the studys findings.

Marriage is still based on love, but it also is fundamentally an economic transaction, said Lichter. Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young womens education levels on average now exceed their male suitors.

Who was in the wrong here?

or maybe theres a lack of quality women? theres no incentive for men to get married in the usa anymore. is that hard for people to understand?
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Marriage decline because lack of attractive women
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Marriage has declined only in western societies because western culture promotes pre-marital sex, dating, cohabitation... Marriage becomes less special. Actually marriage has become a joke nowadays with all the adultery and divorce going on. I can't imagine what it must be like for a child to grow up under such circumstances where he is getting a new dad or mom every 5 years.

Its an economic proposal today just as it was centuries ago. Guys or gals who try to gloss over that fact arent doing themselves any favors.
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I grew up my whole teenage years reading articles about how some woman entered a marriage, then when the divorce hit it pretty much ruined the guys life financially. When I had a discussion about marriage with a couple friends in college they said "make sure the ring you pick out is at least 3 months of your salary". You see how the wedding day is supposed to be "perfect" for the wife, etc.

The last quote really nails it all in. It's sad really. More so that I personally know several male friends of mine that have settled with women that bring a huge financial burden into the relationship - a child she had with someone else.
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trumps america

trumps sex life

trumps poor future prospects
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marriage is a shame and a joke
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So were saying no to gold diggers? Awesome.
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Everyone wants economic security and woman have the ability to pick and choose who they partner with. And economic security is increasingly beyond reach for average Americans.

so do women want to marry men that earn more

or do they want to earn as much as men

this is so confusing
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TheMikh posted...

so do women want to marry men that earn more

or do they want to earn as much as men

this is so confusing

Both

She needs to make as much/more than the average man and also marry a man who makes significantly more than average

Spoiler: the average man is unfuckable
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I'm not dating a woman that doesn't have her own vehicle.
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Pitlord_Special posted...

TheMikh posted...

so do women want to marry men that earn more

or do they want to earn as much as men

this is so confusing

Both

She needs to make as much/more than the average man and also marry a man who makes significantly more than average

Spoiler: the average man is unfuckable

Academically insightful post.
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The average man is unweddable. The average woman gets blasted by limitless marriage proposals.
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Imagine being the average man LMAO

I don't have stats to back this up but isn't it less to do with looks and more to do with people fearing divorce?

There's no incentive to get married beyond tradition and tradition is dying out. Men don't want to risk their finances.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Men don't want to risk their finances.

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Garreyn posted...

More so that I personally know several male friends of mine that have settled with women that bring a huge financial burden into the relationship - a child she had with someone else.

Dude, most girls my age (28) have kids. I've accepted that my future girlfriend will have a kid already.
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I like the idea of not getting married. If our family ever gets into trouble I can rent a house, absorb all the debt and not affect them since she bought the house with inheritance money. She also has way more money than me and I'm totally ok with that.

Always fuck up boys
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Sad_Face posted...

Garreyn posted...

More so that I personally know several male friends of mine that have settled with women that bring a huge financial burden into the relationship - a child she had with someone else.

Dude, most girls my age (28) have kids. I've accepted that my future girlfriend will have a kid already.

Just because your willing to settle for such a woman with all that baggage doesn't mean most other guys are. I'm not waiting my turn for those woman near their 30s like a good little boy when they've had their fill of the bad and are ready for responsible man who can actually take of them and their child . F*** that.
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Sad_Face posted...

Garreyn posted...

More so that I personally know several male friends of mine that have settled with women that bring a huge financial burden into the relationship - a child she had with someone else.

Dude, most girls my age (28) have kids. I've accepted that my future girlfriend will have a kid already.

They do. It's just how it works. Some of these women have more than two kids that they're raising with their parents support, with no man in their lives having a list of demands for a potential partner. I just think a lot of these girls get a huge ego boost and think they're desirable because a lot of men on dating apps are just trying to use them for a quick lay, and nothing more.
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Orchestrion posted...

The average man is unweddable. The average woman gets blasted by limitless marriage proposals.

You guys have a weird idea of what's average these days.
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You can't make any meaningful conclusions based on a bald statistic unless you know whose decision it is to not get married.
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This has been covered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7uDNNdqfM" data-time="

Funny stuff.
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Women afraid to lose their hard earnes money in a divorce to a house husband.

That is pretty funny.
Men been paying out to jobless women for decades.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they just don't marry.

shockthemonkey posted...

Been explaining this to my women friends for a couple years now. Millennial women are out there slaying compared to millennial men. Better educations, better jobs, more empowerment.

Yup. Some of yall are just mad yall are still flipping burgers lmao
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"I ain't marrying no man that don't make enough money. Nuh-uh!"

"Why are men making more money than women???"
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Marriage is a huge gamble for guys since judges tend to side with women in divorces.
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FrozenXylophone posted...

Women afraid to lose their hard earnes money in a divorce to a house husband.

That is pretty funny.
Men been paying out to jobless women for decades.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they just don't marry.

I'm sure it must make sense somehow to imagine that woman breadwinners ought to feel downright guilty over jobless women claiming alimony.
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TheDrivingForce posted...

"I ain't marrying no man that don't make enough money. Nuh-uh!"

"Why are men making more money than women???"

You're confused. Wanting to know "why do some men make more money than women who do the same job?" and wanting "a partner who does a different, more highly paid-job than me" aren't incompatible.
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As a guy, I've never found it easier to meet women or get laid as it is right now. It's actually flipped so far that I find girls making moves and doing the pursuing in ways I never saw before.

When I bring up dating and how difficult it just be for women, the refrain I hear every time is about how few "real men" there still are out there.

Lack of competition given the sad nature of guys today is quite an amazing thing.

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Firewerx posted...

FrozenXylophone posted...

Women afraid to lose their hard earnes money in a divorce to a house husband.

That is pretty funny.
Men been paying out to jobless women for decades.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they just don't marry.

I'm sure it must make sense somehow to imagine that woman breadwinners ought to feel downright guilty over jobless women claiming alimony.

Weird take.

The humor is women don't wanna risk it but men gladly did.

Female hypergamy in action.
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The Admiral posted...

As a guy, I've never found it easier to meet women or get laid as it is right now. It's actually flipped so far that I find girls making moves and doing the pursuing in ways I never saw before.

When I bring up dating and how difficult it just be for women, the refrain I hear every time is about how few "real men" there still are out there.

Lack of competition given the sad nature of guys today is quite an amazing thing.

Wow you are so manly

Wanna go out?

FrozenXylophone posted...

Firewerx posted...

FrozenXylophone posted...

Women afraid to lose their hard earnes money in a divorce to a house husband.

That is pretty funny.
Men been paying out to jobless women for decades.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they just don't marry.

I'm sure it must make sense somehow to imagine that woman breadwinners ought to feel downright guilty over jobless women claiming alimony.

Weird take.

The humor is women don't wanna risk it but men gladly did.

You could say it's women learning from men's mistakes...
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The Admiral posted...

As a guy, I've never found it easier to meet women or get laid as it is right now. It's actually flipped so far that I find girls making moves and doing the pursuing in ways I never saw before.

When I bring up dating and how difficult it just be for women, the refrain I hear every time is about how few "real men" there still are out there.

Lack of competition given the sad nature of guys today is quite an amazing thing.

We believe you
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Orchestrion posted...

We believe you

Good, you should.

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Seriously, this topic has been discussed here time and again.

Society has put a lot of effort into progressing the condition of women as a group and very little to progress the state of men as a group. One consequence of that will be that there are, comparatively, higher percentages of women who outearn men.

What we have here is women don't want to take the responsibility that men had taken for generations of supporting their less financially lucrative partners. They want to earn a lot of money, but still want male partners who can take care of them.
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I feel the main reason is divorce ruins the mens lives.

And if your making a good income before marriage you almost feel like a target because some women could live off of you after divorce and having children. Honestly if I were rich I'd probably stay single unless I was dating the same girl before I had the income.
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Women make more money now. Which is great. I'd never want to bar them from making more money.

But regardless of how much money women make, the rule of women not dating men who make less money than they do hasn't changed. Therefore men who would have been perfectly fine specimens for dating 30 years ago aren't even seen as viable options anymore.

I've been told regularly that I'm pretty physically attractive, especially during phases where I'm consistent in the gym. The Boomer women I work with always tell me it blows their mind that I can't get a girlfriend and that it should be easy for me. I have to explain to them that being an attractive man with a full time job just isn't enough anymore.

Prismsblade posted...

Just because your willing to settle for such a woman with all that baggage doesn't mean most other guys are. I'm not waiting my turn for those woman near their 30s like a good little boy when they've had their fill of the bad and are ready for responsible man who can actually take care of them and their child . F*** that.

Then you'll have to get a pretty young 'ting or hope you get lucky. Today's culture is getting worse and worse with Tinder and social media in existence giving girls insane amounts of attention just for being pretty.
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Awesome posted...

or maybe theres a lack of quality women? theres no incentive for men to get married in the usa anymore. is that hard for people to understand?

Looks like they struck a nerve.
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Sad_Face posted...

Prismsblade posted...

Just because your willing to settle for such a woman with all that baggage doesn't mean most other guys are. I'm not waiting my turn for those woman near their 30s like a good little boy when they've had their fill of the bad and are ready for responsible man who can actually take care of them and their child . F*** that.

Then you'll have to get a pretty young 'ting or hope you get lucky. Today's culture is getting worse and worse with Tinder and social media in existence giving girls insane amounts of attention just for being pretty.

I'm prepared to remain single actually if I never find the right woman. And even then marriage is such a bad deal that it would be hard to commit to even if I did. I don't care so much about losing half my material goods as i roll losing my kids, and being unable to raise them proper.
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This is kind of having their cake and eating it too, no?

It sucks because of how shitty the job market, economy, and job progression are. I think more women should try to understand that. Plus, with them joining in the work force, the number of available jobs got cut.

Nobody is entitled to anybody of course, but can we not feel bad for some men in this case?
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Everyone wants economic security and woman have the ability to pick and choose who they partner with. And economic security is increasingly beyond reach for average Americans.

Everyone wants economic security. You don't think males are making choices here? Sorry, but no sex has control when it comes to dating. The guy usually asks and the gal either accepts or declines. If the guys stop asking the gals don't get a choice.

This topic saying I dont even need to appeal to women anymore?

No masters, no gods, no money
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Southernfatman posted...

This is kind of having their cake and eating it too, no?

It sucks because of how shitty the job market, economy, and job progression are. I think more women should try to understand that. Plus, with them joining in the work force, the number of available jobs got cut.

Nobody is entitled to anybody of course, but can we not feel bad for some men in this case?

Uh this makes no sense though

How can the economy actually be bad if women are doing well?
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