Board 8 > 3-3 is the fucking worst

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Nanis23 posted...

9 cases out of 18 of the first 4 games were considered "the worst" here in this topic by at least one person
Hell I can even count 4-1 because someone mentioned it sucked because of how Phoenix was out of character

IMO it's a sign that we all have such varying opinions on the series and it's great that we can have discussions where we point out merits in others' least favorite cases, or flaws in their favorites.
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Underleveled posted...

IMO it's a sign that we all have such varying opinions on the series and it's great that we can have discussions where we point out merits in others' least favorite cases, or flaws in their favorites.

I've noticed the same thing happen with MGS here too. The original 3 in particular all get praised and criticised a lot as everyone argues which is best/worst, which really means it's a loved series that people care enough about to get into the minutae of.

So yeah this sort of discussion is really a good thing for the series, not a bad one

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I for one don't dislike any cases in the original trilogy... Not really sure why there's so much division tbh. I like 2-3.

4-4 is bad though.

Not sure there are any other cases in the series I dislike, though I think 5-2 and 5-3 were sort of forgettable. (And all of AAI1) And 4-2 and 4-3 certainly have issues, but I still enjoyed them.

5-3 is really good. play it again.

you're right about 5-2 though.

6-4 is an interesting case to think about in terms of "worst cases." It's the most obviously filler case in the series and just doesn't translate to the west. but I still don't think it's as bad as 4-3 or 2-3. I think I might actually like it more than 5-2 because it has some decent gimmicks and at least it has the decency to be over with relatively quickly

I like 6-4 as well.

I liked the characters in 5-3 but the actual murder plot unfortunately felt like it was just stuff I'd already seen in past cases, so it wasn't particularly compelling to me and nothing was a surprise

I wouldn't even really say that 6-4 is the worst case in its own game. Turnabout Time Traveler is just... ugh.

The "time travel" is one of the most obvious "mysteries" in the entire series. They just did the reception again and it takes forever to figure it out. And trying to appeal to nostalgia but not even bringing Gumshoe back? Really?
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I kind of like 6-DLC. It felt exactly like a 1-X case. I mean, yes, it was dumb as hell and the animations were too long but I still found it charming. Plus it's like the only case since the OT to have Maya back as an assistant, and I'm a sucker for Larry. So yeah, nostalgia, but it's good nostalgia.

I enjoyed it because it was essentially a Phoenix Wright hangout case. Ace Attorney at a stroll. Easy, low-stakes fun that didn't wear out its welcome, and a nice palate cleanser after the main game imo.

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I admit I haven't played 6, nor finished 5 or E2. I hope to get through all of those in this playthrough.
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Oh. I completely forgot 6-DLC.

Yeah, 6-DLC is the most forgettable. It wasn't very good, unfortunately.

Dels posted...

I think 5-2 and 5-3 were sort of forgettable.

colliding posted...

5-3 is really good. play it again.

you're right about 5-2 though.

I kinda remember the setting of 5-2 but don't remember the characters or plot or anything.

5-3 is awesome though, even if I did go "Yep it was him" as soon as we saw the villain despite the murder not even being discovered yet
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I haven't finished E2, just the first case and a half. Because life, and also because I wasn't exactly enjoying "how" I was playing it, y'know?

I didn't play 6-D either because I was told to save my money. Sounds like you guys concur.
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Underleveled posted...

5-3 is awesome though, even if I did go "Yep it was him" as soon as we saw the villain despite the murder not even being discovered yet

I agree with this also. You could espy the murderer with one look, but the case does a good enough job being awesome in other areas as well. I really should replay DD.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I didn't play 6-D either because I was told to save my money. Sounds like you guys concur.

eh. some people like it. it's not really that bad, just sort of average.

Every AA case is worth playing at least once
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Has there been any info at all about AA7?

Its been over three years since SoJ!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Has there been any info at all about AA7?

Its been over three years since SoJ!

Not a single thing, nope.
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With 5-3 I thought the murderer was going to be the main villain for the game so I didn't suspect him for that case.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

With 5-3 I thought the murderer was going to be the main villain for the game so I didn't suspect him for that case.

Heh, I had this same problem in AAI2, in case 4, where Blaise Debest was so disgustingly evil I thought HE was going to be the main villain of the game, so I thought the killer was that nurse girl.

Six years passed between AA4 and AA5, so we can't lose hope yet! Granted, we've never had more than three years pass between games including spinoffs. DGS2 was released in 2017. I guess that means we should expect something to come out next year?
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Well, I'm not necessarily worried. SoJ did leave them in a bit of a tricky spot in that they could really do just about anything next, but it would also be a place where they could theoretically just end the series and it would make sense.
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I started looking at release dates and I realized that Trials & Tribulations was released in the U.S. on my 18th birthday.

Also this is the first time I'm finding out that Apollo Justice was reissued on 3DS a couple years ago.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Has there been any info at all about AA7?

Its been over three years since SoJ!

I think Capcom said in 2017 that a new Ace Attorney would be out on Switch eventually, but I'm guessing I'm misremembering since we only have the Trilogy on it. Either that or websites were speculating in the middle of their articles without having proof (possible, since we have entire articles on 4chan rumors these days for some fucking reason).
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snake_5036 posted...

I think Capcom said in 2017 that a new Ace Attorney would be out on Switch eventually, but I'm guessing I'm misremembering since we only have the Trilogy on it. Either that or websites were speculating in the middle of their articles without having proof (possible, since we have entire articles on 4chan rumors these days for some fucking reason).

The original Japanese source, which was a statement from the CAPCOM Chief Operating Officer, now 404s and I didn't transcribe it at the time I wrote an article on the topic. ( https://www.koopatv.org/2017/11/ace-attorney-coming-to-nintendo-switch.html ) Whoops. All I wrote was that some kind of Ace Attorney presence would release on the Switch within "a year or so" of late 2017, which was approximately true.

I'll note that I never said the executive said the game will be new, but that I said a nameless FAKE NEWS journalist (might be Laura Kate Dale IIRC) started a rumour that there would be a port of the first Trilogy to Switch, the second Trilogy to Switch, and Ace Attorney 7.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure once they announced the AA Trilogy port for Switch, we gave up hope it would be a new game.
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Wasn't that Trilogy Switch port supposedly UNMISSABLE news?
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I mean AA finally on a console was pretty big news for some

I don't know that it rises to the level of UNMISSABLE but that word means different things to different people I guess
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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean AA finally on a console was pretty big news for some

I guess the Wii ports didn't exist.

Actually they existed so much that the French version of the recent console release accidentally contains references to the Wiimote!
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well the HD versions at any rate

with shiny trophies
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Wasn't that Trilogy Switch port supposedly UNMISSABLE news?

Last year's Tokyo Game Show, yes.

Unmissable specifically for people who are already fans of the series.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Wasn't that Trilogy Switch port supposedly UNMISSABLE news?

To be fair that wasn't really Capcom's fault:

https://legendsoflocalization.com/viral-and-memorable-mistranslations-of-japanese-game-news/#5-the-unmissable-ace-attorney-event

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At least 3-3 was intended to be silly, absurd and funny in all aspects, putting aside if it worked or not.

2-3's premise was ridiculous, but other than that, it's not mega terrible if you can stand the characters. 4-2 is mostly a boring slog. 4-3 is just terrible in every single way, although I personally enjoy Daryan's ridiculous haircut.
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SpoinkRulezz posted...

if you can stand the characters

That's the problem with 2-3 for a lot of people.

Ben & Trilo in particular annoy me, and it takes a LOT for a fictional character to get on my nerves. I also hate how Acro doesn't really get treated like the piece of shit he is and is instead portrayed as a sympathetic villain, when... I don't feel sorry for him at all. It's his little brother I feel sorry for. His story was forced and it made me want to get him even more, which was not the intent.

I never did beat Apollo Justice, just the first case, and that one I barely remember. I think it was just as bad as advertised so I gave up, and I don't want to force myself to beat it. >_>
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Phoenix Wright games arent very good

Trilo is hilarious and Acro is great
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The thing about Acro is that he DID intend to commit murder, he just got the wrong person, so he really shouldn't be treated as sympathetic.

Trilo is hilarious though, yeah. And the very idea of cross-examining a puppet is almost as funny as cross-examining a parrot.
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Well, Acro himself rejects any notion that he should be viewed with sympathy at the very end, which earned him a lot of respect in my book.
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Maybe I should suffer through a replay of that case, then, seeing as I always tend to skip it these days. Playing it twice was enough!
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__LeiaRolando__ posted...

I never did beat Apollo Justice, just the first case, and that one I barely remember. I think it was just as bad as advertised so I gave up, and I don't want to force myself to beat it. >_>

the first case is actually the one people think is good

its the other 3 that are bad like advertised

(i actually think AJ is fine except case 4)

Just popping in to say Im in L4s camp on 2-3. Its certainly in the bottom third of cases, but Moe post-day-1 really carried it for me. In the bizarre and wacky world of Ace Attorney, a clown who is a workaholic to the point of personal ruin, yet utterly fails at his craft, is surprisingly real and heartrending. Plus hes actually quite practical and, well, feels like an actual person as much as any non-recurring AA character can.
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Dels posted...

(i actually think AJ is fine except case 4)

4-4 is such a weird case for me. I think the first trial day and the MASON System are fun. 4-0 and the last trial day (with its sketchy implications) are terrible.
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The implications for Phoenix's character in 4-0 are terrible, but in isolation it's not that bad (major bonus points for heavy use of AJ's best non-main character, Valant).
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Eh, the ending is pretty bogus how the game doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's railroading you into getting Phoenix disbarred.
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What sketchy implications?

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Phoenix basically rigged the jury to get the result he wanted
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There was an episode of Rugrats where somebody broke Tommy's clown lamp and they had a trial to figure out who broke it. Angelica was the prosecutor and in the end it turned out she was the one who did it. If that isn't some Ace Attorney shit right there...
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Replayed 4-1 and yeah, it was a legit great case
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I'm on 4-2 now. Time to see if it's as awful as I remember.
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I'm not sure if I would put 4-1 on a tier of "legitimately great" but it's quite easily the best case on AJ. It does have Phoenix falsifying evidence though so... take the good with the bad I guess?