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scar the 1 09/04/19 7:25:25 AM #51:	tennisdude818 posted... Safeguard against what? They could be called transphobic if they question your selection. Especially if its hard to legally change your gender right now. It would be quite easy to spot a fraud, and this kind of thing would definitely depend on your legal gender, not a box you check on an application form with no follow-up --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926946155] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Safeguard against what? They could be called transphobic if they question your selection. Especially if its hard to legally change your gender right now.</quote> It would be quite easy to spot a fraud, and this kind of thing would definitely depend on your legal gender, not a box you check on an application form with no follow-up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 09/04/19 7:30:25 AM #52:	scar the 1 posted... tennisdude818 posted... Safeguard against what? They could be called transphobic if they question your selection. Especially if its hard to legally change your gender right now. It would be quite easy to spot a fraud, and this kind of thing would definitely depend on your legal gender, not a box you check on an application form with no follow-up Even if thats true, and I really doubt the first part is true, the rest of my post that you omitted would come into play eventually. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:926946241] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Safeguard against what? They could be called transphobic if they question your selection. Especially if its hard to legally change your gender right now.</quote> It would be quite easy to spot a fraud, and this kind of thing would definitely depend on your legal gender, not a box you check on an application form with no follow-up</quote> Even if thats true, and I really doubt the first part is true, the rest of my post that you omitted would come into play eventually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 7:33:39 AM #53:	tennisdude818 posted... Even if thats true, and I really doubt the first part is true, the rest of my post that you omitted would come into play eventually. tennisdude818 posted... Im also not sure how hard it is to legally change your sex there, but in such a liberal country you have to assume it will get easier. Combine that trend with ever increasing diversity quotas and some people will be savvy enough to beat regressives at their own sexist game. It wouldnt take much for that to snowball. The rest of your post is baseless extrapolation and not really worth entertaining --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926946301] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Even if thats true, and I really doubt the first part is true, the rest of my post that you omitted would come into play eventually.</quote> tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Im also not sure how hard it is to legally change your sex there, but in such a liberal country you have to assume it will get easier. Combine that trend with ever increasing diversity quotas and some people will be savvy enough to beat regressives at their own sexist game. It wouldnt take much for that to snowball.</quote> The rest of your post is baseless extrapolation and not really worth entertaining</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 09/04/19 7:39:35 AM #54:	Equality is treating people different based on whats between their legs --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:926946421] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Equality is treating people different based on whats between their legs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 09/04/19 8:04:38 AM #55:	samurai bandit posted... RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... "women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in" Agree, How is this not sexism? the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:926946944] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>samurai bandit posted...</cite> <quote> RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... </cite> <quote>"women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in"</quote> Agree, How is this not sexism? </quote> the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 09/04/19 8:05:47 AM #56:	If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926946974] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 09/04/19 8:07:32 AM #57:	MrPeppers posted... If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:926947013] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures </quote> If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 8:08:37 AM #58:	MrPeppers posted... If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures Not necessarily. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926947030] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures </quote> Not necessarily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 09/04/19 8:08:50 AM #59:	tennisdude818 posted... If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed. Can you elaborate on that because that does not seem like an intuitive conclusion. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926947035] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted... </cite> <quote>If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed.</quote> Can you elaborate on that because that does not seem like an intuitive conclusion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 09/04/19 8:09:34 AM #60:	Fam_Fam posted... samurai bandit posted... RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... "women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in" Agree, How is this not sexism? the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves. So this is actual institutional anti male sexism to combat imaginary institutional anti female sexism. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:926947048] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>samurai bandit posted...</cite> <quote> RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... </cite> <quote>"women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in"</quote> Agree, How is this not sexism? </quote> the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves.</quote> So this is actual institutional anti male sexism to combat imaginary institutional anti female sexism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 09/04/19 8:10:08 AM #61:	tennisdude818 posted... MrPeppers posted... If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed. Oh god, this is the first time I'm realizing that it's only a matter of time before metrics for graduating will be changed based on race/gender/etc. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:926947063] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>If you lower entry scores, you just increase the proportion of dropouts and failures </quote> If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed.</quote> Oh god, this is the first time I'm realizing that it's only a matter of time before metrics for graduating will be changed based on race/gender/etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 09/04/19 8:10:53 AM #62:	MrPeppers posted... tennisdude818 posted... If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed. Can you elaborate on that because that does not seem like an intuitive conclusion. I think the rigor of the curriculum will eventually drop to account for the lower bar of admission. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:926947083] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted... </cite> <quote>If regressives are upset by a low female admission rate, they would be equally triggered by a low graduation rate. That wont be allowed.</quote> Can you elaborate on that because that does not seem like an intuitive conclusion. </quote> I think the rigor of the curriculum will eventually drop to account for the lower bar of admission.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 09/04/19 8:18:28 AM #63:	tennisdude818 posted... Fam_Fam posted... samurai bandit posted... RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... "women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in" Agree, How is this not sexism? the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves. So this is actual institutional anti male sexism to combat imaginary institutional anti female sexism. it's to counteract actual social sexism, not institutional (necessarily) <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:926947237] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>samurai bandit posted...</cite> <quote> RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... </cite> <quote>"women are just as smart as men" "let's lower the standards so they can get in"</quote> Agree, How is this not sexism? </quote> the premise is that women are discriminated against their entire lives (true), and so their scores do not, on average, reflect their abilities compared to a man who is of equal ability, but is able to get a higher score because of the advantages that they've gotten throughout their lives. the premise of systemic bias is entirely reasonable and valid in my opinion. the question is whether you think such a correction is the appropriate measure to counteract these biases. It is not sexism, because your premise is that women, on average, do possess an equal level of innate ability (not believing this would be sexist), but that the lower scores are due to the bias, not the women themselves.</quote> So this is actual institutional anti male sexism to combat imaginary institutional anti female sexism.</quote> it's to counteract actual social sexism, not institutional (necessarily)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 8:31:58 AM #64:	What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher? It could be that that is the real reason behind the lack of gender diversity in these type of positions. That is to say, maybe people don't pursue these positions because they just aren't interested in the field. This may be taboo to say, but men and women are different. Maybe this difference drives them to pursue the careers that they do. You will have outliers that go into fields that aren't typical for their gender, which is fine. You'll have male grade school teacher and female engineers, and that's totally okay. If they aren't going into these fields in droves, that should be okay too. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926947500] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher? It could be that that is the real reason behind the lack of gender diversity in these type of positions. That is to say, maybe people don't pursue these positions because they just aren't interested in the field. This may be taboo to say, but men and women are different. Maybe this difference drives them to pursue the careers that they do. You will have outliers that go into fields that aren't typical for their gender, which is fine. You'll have male grade school teacher and female engineers, and that's totally okay. If they aren't going into these fields in droves, that should be okay too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 09/04/19 8:32:08 AM #65:	We should do our best to remove social stigmas and barriers of entry, but I don't really see the benefit to pandering to those who don't match up to current standards unless those standards are unreasonable for both men and women. <cite>nemu posted [p:926947503] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>We should do our best to remove social stigmas and barriers of entry, but I don't really see the benefit to pandering to those who don't match up to current standards unless those standards are unreasonable for both men and women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 8:37:38 AM #66:	Dyinglegacy posted... What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher? That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. If it's an essentialist biological difference that makes them less interested, what happened the genome during the course of the last century to so radically change things? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926947633] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher?</quote> That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. If it's an essentialist biological difference that makes them less interested, what happened the genome during the course of the last century to so radically change things?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 09/04/19 8:38:20 AM #67:	tennisdude818 posted... The university has received approval from the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board to make a 10-point adjustment to the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank of female students applying for those degrees for the 2020 academic year. You have permission to discriminate - Anti-Discrimination Board <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926947654] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted... </cite> <quote>The university has received approval from the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board to make a 10-point adjustment to the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank of female students applying for those degrees for the 2020 academic year.</quote> You have permission to discriminate - Anti-Discrimination Board </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 8:42:09 AM #68:	If this were to happen in a female dominated field (lowering entry scores for men) I can't say I would be pleased if I wanted to pursue said career path. I can't be the only one who'd want to have to meet the same standards as everyone else before I was allowed entry, am I? I would try to opt out and talk to someone to see if could have my entry scores judged in the same manner as my female peers. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926947741] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>If this were to happen in a female dominated field (lowering entry scores for men) I can't say I would be pleased if I wanted to pursue said career path. I can't be the only one who'd want to have to meet the same standards as everyone else before I was allowed entry, am I? I would try to opt out and talk to someone to see if could have my entry scores judged in the same manner as my female peers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 09/04/19 8:49:28 AM #69:	Dyinglegacy posted... If this were to happen in a female dominated field (lowering entry scores for men) I can't say I would be pleased if I wanted to pursue said career path. I can't be the only one who'd want to have to meet the same standards as everyone else before I was allowed entry, am I? I would try to opt out and talk to someone to see if could have my entry scores judged in the same manner as my female peers. just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:926947902] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>If this were to happen in a female dominated field (lowering entry scores for men) I can't say I would be pleased if I wanted to pursue said career path. I can't be the only one who'd want to have to meet the same standards as everyone else before I was allowed entry, am I? I would try to opt out and talk to someone to see if could have my entry scores judged in the same manner as my female peers. </quote> just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 8:50:16 AM #70:	scar the 1 posted... That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. They were? I wasn't aware of that, and if true then I don't know why. Could be any number of reasons. Maybe it's mean old men pushing them out, or maybe it just started out that way cause it was new and exciting, but interest waned over time for them while men stayed interested. Who knows --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926947919] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically.</quote> They were? I wasn't aware of that, and if true then I don't know why. Could be any number of reasons. Maybe it's mean old men pushing them out, or maybe it just started out that way cause it was new and exciting, but interest waned over time for them while men stayed interested. Who knows </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 8:51:53 AM #71:	Dyinglegacy posted... scar the 1 posted... That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. They were? I wasn't aware of that, and if true then I don't know why. Could be any number of reasons. Maybe it's mean old men pushing them out, or maybe it just started out that way cause it was new and exciting, but interest waned over time for them while men stayed interested. Who knows It does put your "it's natural for women to not be interested in stem" hypothesis into question though, doesn't it? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926947960] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically.</quote> They were? I wasn't aware of that, and if true then I don't know why. Could be any number of reasons. Maybe it's mean old men pushing them out, or maybe it just started out that way cause it was new and exciting, but interest waned over time for them while men stayed interested. Who knows </quote> It does put your "it's natural for women to not be interested in stem" hypothesis into question though, doesn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 8:54:03 AM #72:	Fam_Fam posted... just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified. I don't know. It may seem petty, but it would just bother me, for some reason, that my entry scores weren't being judged on the same merit as the majority who enter. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926948012] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted... </cite> <quote>just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified.</quote> I don't know. It may seem petty, but it would just bother me, for some reason, that my entry scores weren't being judged on the same merit as the majority who enter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 09/04/19 8:55:21 AM #73:	"We want the best of the best" "Ok how about just the best?" "Just good enough?" "Eh, you scraped by. Come on in" "Oh you got a pulse. Welcome aboard!" --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:926948048] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>"We want the best of the best" "Ok how about just the best?" "Just good enough?" "Eh, you scraped by. Come on in" "Oh you got a pulse. Welcome aboard!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 8:55:33 AM #74:	Dyinglegacy posted... Fam_Fam posted... just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified. I don't know. It may seem petty, but it would just bother me, for some reason, that my entry scores weren't being judged on the same merit as the majority who enter. Maybe it would bother you less, hypothetically, if you know that the system was rigged against you in other ways. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926948052] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted... </cite> <quote>just get a good score. that's all you need to do. and you can take/not take whatever opportunities you want to if you think you aren't qualified.</quote> I don't know. It may seem petty, but it would just bother me, for some reason, that my entry scores weren't being judged on the same merit as the majority who enter. </quote> Maybe it would bother you less, hypothetically, if you know that the system was rigged against you in other ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 8:57:43 AM #75:	scar the 1 posted... It does put your "it's natural for women to not be interested in stem" hypothesis into question though, doesn't it? I don't know. Maybe if I had met some who were interested, but I never did. When I went to college, the vast majority of women in my classes were going for nursing, speech pathology or psychology. My computer teacher was a woman, tho. EDIT: forgot to mention special education, also. Special education classes were all but devoid of men. There was a few, but not many. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926948099] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It does put your "it's natural for women to not be interested in stem" hypothesis into question though, doesn't it?</quote> I don't know. Maybe if I had met some who were interested, but I never did. When I went to college, the vast majority of women in my classes were going for nursing, speech pathology or psychology. My computer teacher was a woman, tho. EDIT: forgot to mention special education, also. Special education classes were all but devoid of men. There was a few, but not many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/04/19 9:02:45 AM #76:	mech dragon posted... Fairness of process (aka equality) vs fairness of outcome (aka equity). It's the latter, so it's still fair. Karl Marx couldnt have said it any better himself. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926948212] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>mech dragon posted... </cite> <quote>Fairness of process (aka equality) vs fairness of outcome (aka equity). It's the latter, so it's still fair.</quote> Karl Marx couldnt have said it any better himself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfunction 09/04/19 9:07:59 AM #77:	The Admiral posted... mech dragon posted... Fairness of process (aka equality) vs fairness of outcome (aka equity). It's the latter, so it's still fair. Karl Marx couldnt have said it any better himself. thank you Ben garrison <cite>Malfunction posted [p:926948340] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>mech dragon posted... </cite> <quote>Fairness of process (aka equality) vs fairness of outcome (aka equity). It's the latter, so it's still fair.</quote> Karl Marx couldnt have said it any better himself. </quote> thank you Ben garrison</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 09/04/19 9:11:04 AM #78:	scar the 1 posted... Dyinglegacy posted... What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher? That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. If it's an essentialist biological difference that makes them less interested, what happened the genome during the course of the last century to so radically change things? There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer. Has society become more sexist towards women? Even after decades of feminism and affirmative action? How has the job of computing changed since women were more represented in it? --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:926948413] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>What if most women just aren't interested in stem? Kinda like how most aren't interested in security guard or manual labor? Or similar to how most men aren't interested in nursing or grade school teacher?</quote> That doesn't really account for the fact that women used to be well-represented in computing historically. If it's an essentialist biological difference that makes them less interested, what happened the genome during the course of the last century to so radically change things?</quote> There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer. Has society become more sexist towards women? Even after decades of feminism and affirmative action? How has the job of computing changed since women were more represented in it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 09/04/19 9:13:44 AM #79:	few thoughts on this relevant users in this thread who seem to be posting in good faith, i think some of the data i have dug up may be of interest @Fam_Fam @COVxy @scar_the_1 1) women have higher average ATAR scores, so this does not counteract any sort of institutional bias against women's performance in the school system overall http://www.tisc.edu.au/static-fixed/statistics/annual-report/2018-2019/atar-gender-breakdown.pdf https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/Scaling-Report-2018-NSW-HSC.pdf notably, more women are taking the ATAR, and outside of the 99th percentile, they outnumber men 2) women are not taking the prerequisite courses for these fields, meaning they are not applying to them https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/resources/Public%20Affairs/Engineers%20Make%20Things%20Happen.pdf 20% of male and 6.1% of female year 12 students are taking physics, 10%/5% advanced math (calculus) it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:926948475] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>few thoughts on this relevant users in this thread who seem to be posting in good faith, i think some of the data i have dug up may be of interest @Fam_Fam @COVxy @scar_the_1 1) women have higher average ATAR scores, so this does not counteract any sort of institutional bias against women's performance in the school system overall http://www.tisc.edu.au/static-fixed/statistics/annual-report/2018-2019/atar-gender-breakdown.pdf https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/Scaling-Report-2018-NSW-HSC.pdf notably, more women are taking the ATAR, and outside of the 99th percentile, they outnumber men 2) women are not taking the prerequisite courses for these fields, meaning they are not applying to them https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/resources/Public%20Affairs/Engineers%20Make%20Things%20Happen.pdf 20% of male and 6.1% of female year 12 students are taking physics, 10%/5% advanced math (calculus) it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 9:33:20 AM #80:	Sackgurl posted... those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers This does happen, but not just from male peers. Don't even think for a second that girls can't be bad guys as well. They bully too, just differently. It's more meticulous and sometimes under the surface, as opposed to males causing a scene with their bullying. And it doesn't just happen to girls. Boys probably get ostracized for showing behavior that isn't typical to their gender, and therefore they slowly but surely drift away from their passion. I don't think you can ever truly stop bullying. It's one of those sad but true things. It's always gonna be there in some capacity. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926948959] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers</quote> This does happen, but not just from male peers. Don't even think for a second that girls can't be bad guys as well. They bully too, just differently. It's more meticulous and sometimes under the surface, as opposed to males causing a scene with their bullying. And it doesn't just happen to girls. Boys probably get ostracized for showing behavior that isn't typical to their gender, and therefore they slowly but surely drift away from their passion. I don't think you can ever truly stop bullying. It's one of those sad but true things. It's always gonna be there in some capacity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 09/04/19 9:44:04 AM #81:	we can try, though i only mention it from boys because the result is girls leaving the field or not entering it, vs hiding in it and avoiding other interests as boys often do --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:926949295] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>we can try, though i only mention it from boys because the result is girls leaving the field or not entering it, vs hiding in it and avoiding other interests as boys often do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 09/04/19 9:53:10 AM #82:	Sackgurl posted... we can try, though i only mention it from boys because the result is girls leaving the field or not entering it, vs hiding in it and avoiding other interests as boys often do The part about girls getting bullied by boys. It's not only the boys doing the bullying, other girls do it too. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 100000 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:926949576] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>we can try, though i only mention it from boys because the result is girls leaving the field or not entering it, vs hiding in it and avoiding other interests as boys often do</quote> The part about girls getting bullied by boys. It's not only the boys doing the bullying, other girls do it too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/04/19 10:03:59 AM #83:	one interesting explanation is that girls are so much better than boys at reading and language arts from a young age that they pursue careers that rely on those skills since they have an enormous advantage vs. boys; this fits nicely into the the idea of comparative advantage in neoclassic economics https://www.pnas.org/content/116/31/15435 Relying on the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) data, we show that female students who are good at math are much more likely than male students to be even better in reading. As a consequence, the difference between 15-y-old students math and reading abilities, which is likely to be determined by earlier socialization processes, can explain up to 80% of the gender gap in intentions to pursue math-studies and careers. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:926949900] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>one interesting explanation is that girls are so much better than boys at reading and language arts from a young age that they pursue careers that rely on those skills since they have an enormous advantage vs. boys; this fits nicely into the the idea of comparative advantage in neoclassic economics https://www.pnas.org/content/116/31/15435 Relying on the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) data, we show that female students who are good at math are much more likely than male students to be even better in reading. As a consequence, the difference between 15-y-old students math and reading abilities, which is likely to be determined by earlier socialization processes, can explain up to 80% of the gender gap in intentions to pursue math-studies and careers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 10:12:22 AM #84:	tennisdude818 posted... There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer. No one is "defaulting" to oppression. There's a wealth of research exploring these factors pointing to a conclusion. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926950199] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer.</quote> No one is "defaulting" to oppression. There's a wealth of research exploring these factors pointing to a conclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 09/04/19 10:19:27 AM #85:	I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:926950420] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 10:28:45 AM #86:	IfGodCouldDie posted... COVxy posted... Men on the right who are afraid of this meaning they will have less opportunity should probably just be less mediocre. How can you argue men should be less mediocre when this is an attempt to put more mediocrity into the field? Because the left believes that only women and minorities are allowed to be less than mediocre. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926950705] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Men on the right who are afraid of this meaning they will have less opportunity should probably just be less mediocre.</quote> How can you argue men should be less mediocre when this is an attempt to put more mediocrity into the field?</quote> Because the left believes that only women and minorities are allowed to be less than mediocre.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 10:30:27 AM #87:	Squall28 posted... I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit. Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926950776] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit.</quote> Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 10:31:12 AM #88:	scar the 1 posted... tennisdude818 posted... There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer. No one is "defaulting" to oppression. There's a wealth of research exploring these factors pointing to a conclusion. And all of that research outright ignores personal choice on the part of women. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926950799] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>There are a few factors you have to look at before defaulting to oppression as the answer.</quote> No one is "defaulting" to oppression. There's a wealth of research exploring these factors pointing to a conclusion.</quote> And all of that research outright ignores personal choice on the part of women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 09/04/19 10:33:34 AM #89:	Sackgurl posted... few thoughts on this relevant users in this thread who seem to be posting in good faith, i think some of the data i have dug up may be of interest @Fam_Fam @COVxy @scar_the_1 1) women have higher average ATAR scores, so this does not counteract any sort of institutional bias against women's performance in the school system overall http://www.tisc.edu.au/static-fixed/statistics/annual-report/2018-2019/atar-gender-breakdown.pdf https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/Scaling-Report-2018-NSW-HSC.pdf notably, more women are taking the ATAR, and outside of the 99th percentile, they outnumber men 2) women are not taking the prerequisite courses for these fields, meaning they are not applying to them https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/resources/Public%20Affairs/Engineers%20Make%20Things%20Happen.pdf 20% of male and 6.1% of female year 12 students are taking physics, 10%/5% advanced math (calculus) it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers i agree that we need to start earlier as well. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:926950903] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted...</cite> <quote>few thoughts on this relevant users in this thread who seem to be posting in good faith, i think some of the data i have dug up may be of interest @Fam_Fam @COVxy @scar_the_1 1) women have higher average ATAR scores, so this does not counteract any sort of institutional bias against women's performance in the school system overall http://www.tisc.edu.au/static-fixed/statistics/annual-report/2018-2019/atar-gender-breakdown.pdf https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/Scaling-Report-2018-NSW-HSC.pdf notably, more women are taking the ATAR, and outside of the 99th percentile, they outnumber men 2) women are not taking the prerequisite courses for these fields, meaning they are not applying to them https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/resources/Public%20Affairs/Engineers%20Make%20Things%20Happen.pdf 20% of male and 6.1% of female year 12 students are taking physics, 10%/5% advanced math (calculus) it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers</quote> i agree that we need to start earlier as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/04/19 10:38:12 AM #90:	Fam_Fam posted... i agree that we need to start earlier as well. I dunno how Australia does it, but around here we only test for the minimum standards, and divert the dumb kids away, leaving the smart ones in the dogpile. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:926951091] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>i agree that we need to start earlier as well.</quote> I dunno how Australia does it, but around here we only test for the minimum standards, and divert the dumb kids away, leaving the smart ones in the dogpile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 09/04/19 10:41:25 AM #91:	darkjedilink posted... Squall28 posted... I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit. Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields? Because I prefer the company of women. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:926951197] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit.</quote> Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields?</quote> Because I prefer the company of women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 09/04/19 10:51:04 AM #92:	darkjedilink posted... Squall28 posted... I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit. Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields? STEM fields is where the high paying comfortable air conditioned white collor jobs are at though. But unlike the social fields STEM has a far higher barrier of entry it seems so they believe they have to lower it so woman can keep up. But this wont change anything. Eventually I'm predicting for them to bar man entirely from entry for while. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:926951575] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit.</quote> Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields?</quote> STEM fields is where the high paying comfortable air conditioned white collor jobs are at though. But unlike the social fields STEM has a far higher barrier of entry it seems so they believe they have to lower it so woman can keep up. But this wont change anything. Eventually I'm predicting for them to bar man entirely from entry for while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 10:53:21 AM #93:	Prismsblade posted... darkjedilink posted... Squall28 posted... I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit. Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields? STEM fields is where the high paying comfortable air conditioned white collor jobs are at though. But unlike the social fields STEM has a far higher barrier of entry it seems so they believe they have to lower it so woman can keep up. But this wont change anything. Eventually I'm predicting for them to bar man entirely from entry for while. Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926951651] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like you guys aren't even in stem fields. It's so male dominated it's crazy. This prob won't do shit.</quote> Why does it matter SO MUCH that STEM is 'male-dominated' that you feel it's acceptable to lower standards for women to get jobs in STEM fields?</quote> STEM fields is where the high paying comfortable air conditioned white collor jobs are at though. But unlike the social fields STEM has a far higher barrier of entry it seems so they believe they have to lower it so woman can keep up. But this wont change anything. Eventually I'm predicting for them to bar man entirely from entry for while.</quote> Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/04/19 11:07:23 AM #94:	darkjedilink posted... Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though. May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:926952151] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though.</quote> May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 09/04/19 11:09:25 AM #95:	mario2000 posted... May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at? Hes making a joke about that news piece where a woman claimed that air conditioning was sexist. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926952234] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at?</quote> Hes making a joke about that news piece where a woman claimed that air conditioning was sexist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 11:10:11 AM #96:	mario2000 posted... darkjedilink posted... Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though. May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/ --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926952256] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>Women don't like air conditioning in offices, though.</quote> May we see the poll you conducted for all the women in the office you work at? </quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 11:11:11 AM #97:	darkjedilink posted... And all of that research outright ignores personal choice on the part of women. Shockingly you have no idea what you're talking about. Sackgurl posted... it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers Definitely. Obviously this is a complex problem that needs to be addressed at many different levels. The particular effort by the uni in the OP is just an attempt at their end to affect things. ...then there's the whole issue about generalized test scores overall, but COVxy is I think more well-read on that and its correlation with intelligence etc. Dyinglegacy posted... The part about girls getting bullied by boys. It's not only the boys doing the bullying, other girls do it too. No one says they don't. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926952301] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>And all of that research outright ignores personal choice on the part of women.</quote> Shockingly you have no idea what you're talking about. Sackgurl posted...</cite> <quote> it seems clear that the solution within this field needs to be implemented at a stage much earlier than college application processes. and that the problem is not that the system is forcing equally-capable girls down to lower scores (because they have higher scores), but rather that peer pressure and social discrimination is preventing equally-capable girls from starting on the path towards these fields. those efforts are already ongoing but more clearly needs to be done, perhaps some effort to discourage bullying of mathematically-inclined girls by male peers</quote> Definitely. Obviously this is a complex problem that needs to be addressed at many different levels. The particular effort by the uni in the OP is just an attempt at their end to affect things. ...then there's the whole issue about generalized test scores overall, but COVxy is I think more well-read on that and its correlation with intelligence etc. Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>The part about girls getting bullied by boys. It's not only the boys doing the bullying, other girls do it too. </quote> No one says they don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/04/19 11:13:06 AM #98:	Dyinglegacy posted... I don't know. Maybe if I had met some who were interested, but I never did. When I went to college, the vast majority of women in my classes were going for nursing, speech pathology or psychology. My computer teacher was a woman, tho. EDIT: forgot to mention special education, also. Special education classes were all but devoid of men. There was a few, but not many. Why would you meeting interested women have any bearing on the question "is women's aversion to stem nature or nurture"? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926952361] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know. Maybe if I had met some who were interested, but I never did. When I went to college, the vast majority of women in my classes were going for nursing, speech pathology or psychology. My computer teacher was a woman, tho. EDIT: forgot to mention special education, also. Special education classes were all but devoid of men. There was a few, but not many.</quote> Why would you meeting interested women have any bearing on the question "is women's aversion to stem nature or nurture"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/04/19 11:13:26 AM #99:	darkjedilink posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/ Damn, I didn't know you worked at all those offices! --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:926952378] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/</quote> Damn, I didn't know you worked at all those offices! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/04/19 11:14:14 AM #100:	mario2000 posted... darkjedilink posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/ Damn, I didn't know you worked at all those offices! Well, I figured you wouldn't bow out gracefully. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926952413] in University... [t:77984541]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os" data-time=" https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/24/stop-office-ac-overload-study-shows-women-are-more-productive-when-its-warmer/?outputType=amp https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-05-31/offices-don-t-have-to-freeze-women-with-air-conditioning https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna36476 https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/589966/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/air-conditioning-office-still-sexist-dont-care-anyone-says/amp/</quote> Damn, I didn't know you worked at all those offices! </quote> Well, I figured you wouldn't bow out gracefully.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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