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Shablagoo
09/02/19 9:59:12 AM
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When one steals an apple from an apple hawker, he now has one less apple to sell to a paying customer.

When one pirates a game or movie, the seller doesnt lose a copy of it that they could have otherwise sold.

That said, piracy is illegal and Ive never done it. Though my older siblings did use Kazaa back in the day.
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YookaLaylee
09/02/19 10:02:01 AM
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Shablagoo
09/02/19 10:06:35 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/are-streaming-sites-legal-2014-4


Ah, cool. I have legally streamed content before.
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PoopPotato
09/02/19 10:08:23 AM
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Back in the day you just borrowed games and movies and albums from your friends.
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HasaDiga
09/02/19 10:13:53 AM
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PoopPotato posted...
Back in the day you just borrowed games and movies and albums from your friends.

"I'm not gonna buy it. I can listen to it at Tony's and he lives across the street!"
"You're practically taking money out of the artist's pockets!"
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Shablagoo
09/02/19 10:30:07 AM
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HasaDiga posted...
PoopPotato posted...
Back in the day you just borrowed games and movies and albums from your friends.

"I'm not gonna buy it. I can listen to it at Tony's and he lives across the street!"
"You're practically taking money out of the artist's pockets!"


haha, good point
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Rika_Furude
09/02/19 10:31:30 AM
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One involves loss (theft)
One involves no loss (piracy)
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MarthGoomba
09/02/19 10:38:56 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
One involves no loss (piracy)

Loss of a sale is still a loss
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Foppe
09/02/19 10:42:49 AM
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Didnt pirates take over some ships not long ago?
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voldothegr8
09/02/19 10:47:54 AM
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The owner doesn't have to lose anything for it to be stealing.

If I go and sneak into a ballgame and take an empty seat nobody paid for, that's still theft despite no loss to the owner.

Identity theft is also a thing, nothing physically taken but it's still theft. This whole splitting hairs about the definition of theft being physical vs not is ridiculous. If you take or consume something that you didn't pay for it's stealing/theft.
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MudKip_Master
09/02/19 10:49:03 AM
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Stop, thief!
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Shablagoo
09/02/19 10:52:13 AM
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MarthGoomba posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
One involves no loss (piracy)

Loss of a sale is still a loss


What if the person pirating doesnt have the money to buy the thing? There would never have been a sale.

voldothegr8 posted...
The owner doesn't have to lose anything for it to be stealing.

If I go and sneak into a ballgame and take an empty seat nobody paid for, that's still theft despite no loss to the owner.

Identity theft is also a thing, nothing physically taken but it's still theft. This whole splitting hairs about the definition of theft being physical vs not is ridiculous. If you take or consume something that you didn't pay for it's stealing/theft.


Not saying its not bad, just pointing out the difference. And with identity theft, isnt that usually so the person can use your money? Thats definitely theft.
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HasaDiga
09/02/19 11:02:57 AM
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What if you save someone else's picture and print it out on photo paper?
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TheDreadedWave
09/02/19 11:03:17 AM
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MudKip_Master posted...
Stop, thief!

You've violated the law!
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HasaDiga
09/02/19 11:05:39 AM
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When you pirate an item, the shopkeeper doesn't electrocute you to death.
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SoraOwnsOctopus
09/02/19 11:06:43 AM
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Celebrity nudes is like piracy. You're taking a mental copy of their boobs but you didn't take anything from them
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HasaDiga
09/02/19 11:13:04 AM
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Celebrity nudes are like easter eggs that don't rot. They put them out there and just wait for them to be found so they can celebrate relevancy again....for a minute anyway.
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teepan95
09/02/19 11:13:53 AM
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You wouldn't download a car
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HasaDiga
09/02/19 11:15:05 AM
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I laughed at the whole download a car thing but....

Hell, "print a gun" actually became a thing...
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dr_marble
09/02/19 11:19:09 AM
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TheDreadedWave posted...
MudKip_Master posted...
Stop, thief!

You've violated the law!

Let me guess. Someone downloaded your sweetroll?
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ZMythos
09/02/19 11:21:34 AM
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You took something without permission or consent.

That's theft.
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Hexenherz
09/02/19 11:22:50 AM
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the difference between https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77980807 and https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77981470
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Shablagoo
09/02/19 11:23:05 AM
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cAPITALISATION posted...
yOU WOULDNT SHOOT A POLiCEMAN AND THEN STEAL HiS HELMET. yOU WOULDNT GO TO THE TOiLET IN HiS HELMET AND THEN SEND iT TO THE POLIiCEMANS GRiEVING WiDOW. AND THEN STEAL iT AGAiN!
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lol i like you
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Shablagoo
09/02/19 11:23:52 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
the difference between https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77980807 and https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77981470


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HasaDiga
09/02/19 11:26:00 AM
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ZMythos posted...
You took something without permission or consent.

That's theft.

Then why wasn't Cosby charged with theft?
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YookaLaylee
09/02/19 11:26:07 AM
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ZMythos posted...
You took something without permission or consent.

That's theft.

except its not
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cAPITALISATION
09/02/19 11:33:16 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
cAPITALISATION posted...
yOU WOULDNT SHOOT A POLiCEMAN AND THEN STEAL HiS HELMET. yOU WOULDNT GO TO THE TOiLET IN HiS HELMET AND THEN SEND iT TO THE POLIiCEMANS GRiEVING WiDOW. AND THEN STEAL iT AGAiN!
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lol i like you


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Rika_Furude
09/02/19 4:03:07 PM
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MarthGoomba posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
One involves no loss (piracy)

Loss of a sale is still a loss

No its not
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HANGtheDJ_86
09/02/19 4:04:26 PM
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teepan95 posted...
You wouldn't download a car

Not yet anyway

The future looks wild tho
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ZMythos
09/02/19 4:09:28 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
except its not

Explain how it's not.
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Rika_Furude
09/02/19 5:29:00 PM
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teepan95 posted...
You wouldn't download a car

I absolutely would and i would 3d print it as well
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Austin_Era_II
09/02/19 5:36:24 PM
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Back in the day when Napster was around and Metallica was all sour I remember they asked Kidrock what his thoughts were and he was like fuck do I care I'm rich. My thoughts are the same. Some pirate and others buy legit at the end of the day if I'm already a millionaire fuck do I care if I lose out on more money. Not like everyone is doing it. Most profit doesn't come from albums but from tours.
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MarthGoomba
09/02/19 10:21:57 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
No its not

So if you released an album, 1 person bought it, and 10,000 people pirated it... you wouldn't consider that loss of sales?
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Rika_Furude
09/03/19 3:54:41 AM
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MarthGoomba posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
No its not

So if you released an album, 1 person bought it, and 10,000 people pirated it... you wouldn't consider that loss of sales?

A loss of sales isnt a real actual loss you can display on your ledger. No thief hacked your bank account and deducted 200k from your savings.
If you stole a physical game from a retail store, that is actual theft with demonstratable loss.
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zado19
09/03/19 4:26:00 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
When one steals an apple from an apple hawker, he now has one less apple to sell to a paying customer.

When one pirates a game or movie, the seller doesnt lose a copy of it that they could have otherwise sold.

That said, piracy is illegal and Ive never done it. Though my older siblings did use Kazaa back in the day.

They dont lose a copy of the product.... but they DO lose the REVENUE that should have come as a requirement for you gaining access to that product.

If the apple hawker GIVES you an apple at no charge, they received no revenue for that apple you are now eating. Same result as if you stole it... its a lost SALE because you didnt BUY IT. the fact that they know does not make a difference in terms of loss or gain.
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zado19
09/03/19 4:28:27 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
MarthGoomba posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
One involves no loss (piracy)

Loss of a sale is still a loss


What if the person pirating doesnt have the money to buy the thing? There would never have been a sale.

voldothegr8 posted...
The owner doesn't have to lose anything for it to be stealing.

If I go and sneak into a ballgame and take an empty seat nobody paid for, that's still theft despite no loss to the owner.

Identity theft is also a thing, nothing physically taken but it's still theft. This whole splitting hairs about the definition of theft being physical vs not is ridiculous. If you take or consume something that you didn't pay for it's stealing/theft.


Not saying its not bad, just pointing out the difference. And with identity theft, isnt that usually so the person can use your money? Thats definitely theft.

Then they shouldnt have access to that product.... how is this so hard to understand??????
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Ricemills
09/03/19 4:34:21 AM
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i wish i could just sneak into a theater or a strip club with the same logic, TC.
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indica
09/03/19 4:36:08 AM
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How many of you have ever downloaded something without paying for it?
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SwayM
09/03/19 4:39:08 AM
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Lol Are we still having this moronic argument in 2019?

Its 100% stealing. Your logic is as flawed as it is childish

Nothing is physically lost therefore its not stealing!

You didnt have permission to obtain a copy of whatever it was. You took something that didnt belong to you. Youre stealing.

Grow up.
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zado19
09/03/19 4:48:00 AM
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indica posted...
How many of you have ever downloaded something without paying for it?

But I did pay for it, why do you think I have an internet bill - morons on this site
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biggernails
09/03/19 4:48:54 AM
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it's like stealing someone's material like a joke and benefiting from it without compensating the creator
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Rika_Furude
09/03/19 5:02:37 AM
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SwayM posted...
Lol Are we still having this moronic argument in 2019?

Its 100% stealing. Your logic is as flawed as it is childish

Nothing is physically lost therefore its not stealing!

You didnt have permission to obtain a copy of whatever it was. You took something that didnt belong to you. Youre stealing.

Grow up.

Wrong.
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SwayM
09/03/19 5:19:48 AM
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Doesnt surprise me in the least youre on the wrong side of this one.

Gotta give ya some credit. Yall piracy aint stealing people have been getting consistently embarrassed since like 2002 and you keep coming back with the same ol shit. Now thats tenacity.
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biggernails
09/03/19 5:23:13 AM
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SwayM posted...
Doesnt surprise me in the least youre on the wrong side of this one.

Gotta give ya some credit. Yall piracy aint stealing people have been getting consistently embarrassed since like 2002 and you keep coming back with the same ol shit. Now thats tenacity.

wow, I finally agree with Sway on something gaming related for once! However, in my younger days I did pirate a bunch and have made efforts to reacquire said games legally especially if I liked them
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Rika_Furude
09/03/19 5:32:54 AM
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SwayM posted...
Doesnt surprise me in the least youre on the wrong side of this one.

Gotta give ya some credit. Yall piracy aint stealing people have been getting consistently embarrassed since like 2002 and you keep coming back with the same ol shit. Now thats tenacity.

Is that the best argument you have? Sad!
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biggernails
09/03/19 5:35:40 AM
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"I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them."
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Rika_Furude
09/03/19 5:37:49 AM
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biggernails posted...
"I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them."

Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting.
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biggernails
09/03/19 5:39:21 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
biggernails posted...
"I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them."

Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting.

if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy.
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Rika_Furude
09/03/19 5:40:40 AM
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biggernails posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
biggernails posted...
"I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them."

Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting.

if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy.

Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh.
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biggernails
09/03/19 5:41:39 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
biggernails posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
biggernails posted...
"I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them."

Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting.

if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy.

Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh.

well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic
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