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_BIueMonk
09/02/19 12:03:32 AM
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is he racist - Results (33 votes)
Yes
72.73% (24 votes)
24
No
27.27% (9 votes)
9
Is he?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
09/02/19 12:04:57 AM
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I believe he has beliefs about people based on their race.

Do I think he's actively trying to fuck over people? Nah.
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Dragonblade01
09/02/19 12:06:39 AM
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He seems to have many misinformed views about race, but I don't think he's hateful at least.
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_BIueMonk
09/02/19 12:09:33 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
He seems to have many misinformed views about race, but I don't think he's hateful at least.

So... What you're saying...

Is that he's definitely a Nazi. Got it.
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Blue_Dream87
09/02/19 12:14:43 AM
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He's a race realist, who are really just racist apologists. Not a Nazi but still bad

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Irony
09/02/19 12:21:18 AM
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Yes
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cjsdowg
09/02/19 12:26:56 AM
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If you said know and really mean , then chances are you are just as racist as he is .
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ProbablyaCat
09/02/19 12:59:14 AM
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I haven't heard about him in years, what's this all about?
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knuxnole
09/02/19 1:01:02 AM
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No he seems normal tbh
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apocalyptic_4
09/02/19 1:11:58 AM
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I did a quick Google search of this dude and watched him getting interviewed talking about race issues and yikes.

Yea this dude is trash.
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knuxnole
09/02/19 1:38:09 AM
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What did he say that was so bad?
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Iron-Tarkus
09/02/19 2:08:30 AM
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Someones gotta post it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOgvdbl314" data-time="

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Irony
09/02/19 2:59:51 AM
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knuxnole posted...
What did he say that was so bad?

That all black people are criminals
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knuxnole
09/02/19 4:43:44 AM
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Irony posted...
knuxnole posted...
What did he say that was so bad?

That all black people are criminals


That is offensive, Im black and even though Im not as sensitive sucks for him
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StealthRock
09/02/19 5:01:26 AM
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Hes been recorded using the N word. He is a white supremacist suspect for sure
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pres_madagascar
09/02/19 5:02:56 AM
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knuxnole posted...
Irony posted...
knuxnole posted...
What did he say that was so bad?

That all black people are criminals


That is offensive, Im black and even though Im not as sensitive sucks for him

Which is fucking wild because he's Jewish. Irony is lost on him.
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AppleBloom
09/02/19 5:04:17 AM
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myzz7
09/02/19 5:23:27 AM
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yeah he is.
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cjsdowg
09/02/19 7:21:25 AM
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Dude even spoke about how for nation to thrive all the people should have the same background.

He said only white people built America . When others play key roles in building American and when many of those white people who he speaks of people didn't come to America until after it was already built.
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Rika_Furude
09/02/19 7:23:25 AM
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Did he actually say all black people are criminals? I have my doubts.
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Blue_Dream87
09/02/19 7:27:00 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Did he actually say all black people are criminals? I have my doubts.


I know he's the type who thinks crime statistics automatically mean that black people by nature are likely criminals

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Dragonblade01
09/02/19 7:28:38 AM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Did he actually say all black people are criminals? I have my doubts.


I know he's the type who thinks crime statistics automatically mean that black people by nature are likely criminals

Yeah, he gets caught up in bad interpretations of data real easily.
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UnfairRepresent
09/02/19 7:32:20 AM
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I think the answer is clearly demonstrated by the fact the people saying he is are the people who have to flat out lie about what he said to make the claim

This is your racist mastermind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Uwdq-uPCM" data-time="


Jontron isn't racist. People just got duped into a 2 minute hate and are too immature to admit it because they have ego issues.
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UnfairRepresent
09/02/19 7:37:14 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Did he actually say all black people are criminals? I have my doubts.

No he said rich black people commit more crime than poor whites

The actual data says they are arrested more and people argue that this is due to racist police/legal system not actual crimes committed

Which is a fair counterpoint but people who say "He called all blacks criminals!" are lying to create an argument they don't actually have

ironically the most racist thing in the debate was Destiny claiming black people have no control over their own actions, but that didn't fit the narrative so it was ignored in favor if lying about Jontron

which says it all really. No one criticising Jon actually cares about racism and a lot of them are either liars or intentionally don't check claims before believing them for years
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ViewtifulGrave
09/02/19 9:35:23 AM
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Jon Tron think black people cant control themselves?
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MrMallard
09/02/19 9:48:02 AM
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Didn't he start talking about white genocide and the great migration at some point?

And I mean even when he was on Game Grumps, there were a handful of times where he just yelled the N word and it had to be bleeped. At this point I've given up on him tbh, he let me down.
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masticatingman
09/02/19 9:59:42 AM
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StealthRock posted...
Hes been recorded using the N word. He is a white supremacist suspect for sure


Isn't he half Persian
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D_Fen_Door
09/02/19 10:02:02 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I think the answer is clearly demonstrated by the fact the people saying he is are the people who have to flat out lie about what he said to make the claim

This is your racist mastermind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Uwdq-uPCM" data-time="


Jontron isn't racist. People just got duped into a 2 minute hate and are too immature to admit it because they have ego issues.


The views he demonstrated were racist though, it is what it is. Hes probably not a kkk member, but he partook in a definite form of racism for sure and has not explicitly apologized for comments like even rich black people commit more crimes tying it to race. Why would he if those are his genuine views? Nothing indicates he has been educated and left those views.
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Funkydog
09/02/19 10:08:05 AM
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He has some very stupid views that do teter on racist ideology. If this makes him actually racist, I am less sure. It's very easy to give people a boogeyman to blame all of their/societies problems and perpetuating such thoughts can very quickly lead to just flat being a racist.
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ThyCorndog
09/02/19 10:15:21 AM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
I believe he has beliefs about people based on their race.

if he does, then he's racist
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TheAnthraxBunny
09/02/19 1:59:49 PM
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Yes. He's definitely one of those fake woke race realists. In order for you interpret data that badly you have to already be racist.
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UnfairRepresent
09/02/19 6:13:54 PM
#32:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Jon Tron think black people cant control themselves?

No Destiny, the guy Jontron debated thinks that

masticatingman posted...
StealthRock posted...
Hes been recorded using the N word. He is a white supremacist suspect for sure


Isn't he half Persian

Yup

D_Fen_Door posted...

The views he demonstrated were racist though


You can tell how bullshit this simply based on the statement "The Views" rather than actually stating a direct racist view he had.

Just another guy who got duped into a 2 minute hate.
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D_Fen_Door
09/02/19 6:24:25 PM
#33:


UnfairRepresent posted...
ViewtifulGrave posted...
Jon Tron think black people cant control themselves?

No Destiny, the guy Jontron debated thinks that

masticatingman posted...
StealthRock posted...
Hes been recorded using the N word. He is a white supremacist suspect for sure


Isn't he half Persian

Yup

D_Fen_Door posted...

The views he demonstrated were racist though


You can tell how bullshit this simply based on the statement "The Views" rather than actually stating a direct racist view he had.

Just another guy who got duped into a 2 minute hate.


Uhhhhh...... I stated the exact view.
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_BIueMonk
09/02/19 6:27:34 PM
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Damn ok
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Blue_Dream87
09/02/19 7:06:44 PM
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D_Fen_Door posted...
Uhhhhh...... I stated the exact view.


Keep ignoring him, dude is looking for a hook

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Notti
09/04/19 5:34:55 PM
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Jontron is a racist. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/JonTron
Destiny: The problem is young black men in the United States are disproportionately born to single mother households which is a leading indicator of crime. They're also disproportionately born into ghettos and low-income housing areas. They have access to worse education, okay? They're born into horrible socioeconomic conditions. All of these things are massive contributors to being a criminal as you grow up. When you control for socio-

Jafari: But you are making the argument that its white people that put them in those situations.

Destiny: Because they kind of, sort of, did over the past two hundred years. They kind of brought them over as slaves. They kind of bred them a certain way. They kind of red-lined them and gentrified them out of certain communities. They kind of legally discriminated on them and put them all in certain areas for a long time. They kind of disproportionately policed them and sentenced them to higher crimes in the courts and whatnot. White people have contributed a lot to this.

Jafari: So I suppose that's why the crime rates are pretty consistent across Africa, too?


Fact check: False. The crime rates are not consistent across Africa and vary significantly. For instance, Numbeo's 2017 Crime Index has South Africa rated at 75.72 (the 4th highest globally) whereas Ghana is rated at 46.99 (56th globally). South Africa has the most white people of any African country, and white people are so rare in Ghana that many locals have never seen them in person before. For comparison, Norway, a developed nation with a non-white population of 2%, is rated 45.69 (61st globally). Tunisia scores even better at 40.94 (73rd globally). Any implication of racial predisposition to crime is not backed up by the data.

More Jon
I do think race influences culture. I do, I think it does

Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites, that's a fact. Yeah, look it up

There is an absolute disproportionate amount of crime committed to whites by nonwhites. There's no arguing that, that's just FBI statistics. So in that sense you could say, 'well why shouldn't the white people be able to address this?' But they're not allowed to because they're called racist by people like you.

Dude, you're just virtue signalling. Not all Mexicans are going to go on welfare but a lot of them are going to commit crimes. The El Salvadoreans are going to create the MS-13 gangs

I know some people look at [the] alt-right as right-wing SJWs. I really don't, I just see them as the only possible reaction to SJWs

Once Le Pen and Wilders gets in. Hopefully they win, hopefully they win...

If I stay silent, shall this left take over and become New World Order, one world global, horror, shit show, gender equality government? Like what are we headed towards? [laughs]

They have been trying to silence science on those subjects because they're politically incorrect. I don't think there's any harm from studying them. But we shouldn't say you're low IQ so 'blank' or you're high IQ so 'blank'. A high IQ can go to waste. A low IQ can do amazing

...the fact that Chicago has a higher murder rate than Afghanistan


(Note: This is not a fact. To be fair to Jafari, he is likely misremembering, misinterpreting or misstating the truth rather than lying. There were more murders in Chicago(between 2001 and September 2016) than Americans killed in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That being said, this is not a fair comparison. In 2012, the number of US troops in Afghanistan was approximately 90 thousand compared to Chicago's population of almost 3 million. In other words, US troops in Afghanistan amount to about 3% of Chicago's population. The overall homicide rates in 2015 were: Afghanistan: 33.3 per 100,000 people (not including deaths inside Taliban-controlled territory), Chicago: 18.1 per 100,000 people)
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