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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 5:19:01 AM
#101:


MuayThai85 posted...
Shablagoo posted...
averagejoel posted...
I've been thinking a lot lately about what someone's woldview would be like if they got their news exclusively from CE. it's bad enough for me, and I've muted a ton of the worst offenders, but I still see a disproportionate amount of stuff like this.

I imagine they would have a severely skewed idea of how often these things happen, who the perpetrators usually are, and how the material conditions that permit this came about.

this topic is more or less what I imagined it would look like


If nothing else, dis topic rekt MuayThai lol


In what way? Because the mods put me on warn for stating fact? You have still yet to provide in proof that disputes what I said other than an article fron the fucking guardian...

And unlike most people on this site, I have world experience. Unlike the wannabe communist joel, I actually live in a communist country and traveled extensively in 2 others. I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Saudi). Can most say the same here?


That just looks worse for you because despite your travel, you're still ignorant as all hell.

What doesn't improve it is that somehow, because you've traveled to these countries, you can have a really dumb take about a matter that is unrelated to living in those countries today.
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 5:48:08 AM
#102:


Shablagoo posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
That doesn't disprove anything actually. I'm going to believe the part where she is quoted claiming that she was 9 when the consummated the marriage. Again, Muhammad was a pedophile warlord and nothing more.


>relentlessly maligned for everything by his contemporary critics
>not called a pedophile by them

Is it fun being a bigot and believing Middle-Ages Crusader propaganda?


I don't even think it's middle ages crusader propaganda, it's just idiocy. Both Christian and Jewish law allows for marriage of girls as soon as they hit puberty, and that can be any age past 9 or whatever. Some of them may allow for marriage even before that, even upon a girl being conceived, she can be married off. Even that isn't "wooo pedophilia" though, since typically no intercourse would occur before puberty. This is also why the whole "pedophile" narrative of today was unheard of back then, people would have just looked at you funny because this has been the norm since forever.
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MuayThai85
09/05/19 5:53:08 AM
#103:


D_Fen_Door posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
Shablagoo posted...
averagejoel posted...
I've been thinking a lot lately about what someone's woldview would be like if they got their news exclusively from CE. it's bad enough for me, and I've muted a ton of the worst offenders, but I still see a disproportionate amount of stuff like this.

I imagine they would have a severely skewed idea of how often these things happen, who the perpetrators usually are, and how the material conditions that permit this came about.

this topic is more or less what I imagined it would look like


If nothing else, dis topic rekt MuayThai lol


In what way? Because the mods put me on warn for stating fact? You have still yet to provide in proof that disputes what I said other than an article fron the fucking guardian...

And unlike most people on this site, I have world experience. Unlike the wannabe communist joel, I actually live in a communist country and traveled extensively in 2 others. I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Saudi). Can most say the same here?


That just looks worse for you because despite your travel, you're still ignorant as all hell.

What doesn't improve it is that somehow, because you've traveled to these countries, you can have a really dumb take about a matter that is unrelated to living in those countries today.


I never once discussed modern Muslims in this topic. Every reply I made was about Muhammad himself. All of which are verifiable facts.
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EraserGun
09/05/19 5:57:01 AM
#104:


Islam is a religion of peace. You have no right to judge them for what they do. If you think badly of them in anyway at ALL, then you're just an Islamophobe, fascist, and racist!!!!

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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 6:10:20 AM
#105:


MuayThai85 posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
Shablagoo posted...
averagejoel posted...
I've been thinking a lot lately about what someone's woldview would be like if they got their news exclusively from CE. it's bad enough for me, and I've muted a ton of the worst offenders, but I still see a disproportionate amount of stuff like this.

I imagine they would have a severely skewed idea of how often these things happen, who the perpetrators usually are, and how the material conditions that permit this came about.

this topic is more or less what I imagined it would look like


If nothing else, dis topic rekt MuayThai lol


In what way? Because the mods put me on warn for stating fact? You have still yet to provide in proof that disputes what I said other than an article fron the fucking guardian...

And unlike most people on this site, I have world experience. Unlike the wannabe communist joel, I actually live in a communist country and traveled extensively in 2 others. I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Saudi). Can most say the same here?


That just looks worse for you because despite your travel, you're still ignorant as all hell.

What doesn't improve it is that somehow, because you've traveled to these countries, you can have a really dumb take about a matter that is unrelated to living in those countries today.


I never once discussed modern Muslims in this topic. Every reply I made was about Muhammad himself. All of which are verifiable facts.


The hell does that have to do with you traveling to Muslim countries then?

And so what about your facts? There is more than enough evidence to suggest these were worldwide norms, so as per your dumbass logic, literally every human being before the USA placed an age of consent at 18 was a pedophile because ages 12-13, or marriages from birth as what I assume to be a form of "reservation" were commonplace among Christians, Jews, Hindus, Romans, you name it.

Very troubling:

In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years while 10 states kept an age of consent at 12, and Delaware maintained its age of consent at seven years, having lowered it from 10 in 1871.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform

Seven years old in Delaware, and this wasn't 1400-1500 years ago. You commonly refer to everyone before these time periods as a pedophile too then?
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 6:11:21 AM
#106:


EraserGun posted...
Islam is a religion of peace. You have no right to judge them for what they do. If you think badly of them in anyway at ALL, then you're just an Islamophobe, fascist, and racist!!!!

>_>


Gotta love the intelligent commentary you get in these topics.
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MuayThai85
09/05/19 6:35:45 AM
#107:


The US, Hindus, Jews, etc. weren't brought up in this topic. Comments claiming Muhammad was some kind of saint however were. He literally married a 6 year old.
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user-2
09/05/19 6:39:12 AM
#108:


s0nicfan posted...
JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
averagejoel posted...
please do not use this (or other similar articles) as a justification for hating muslims, hating brown people, justifying israeli occupation of palestine, or justifying US imperialism in the middle east


I wont, but being a regular here I know why yall would post msgs like this. Its obviously extremism and not the norm.


and yet joel continues to call Israel an apartheid ethnostate even though it's been proven repeatedly that not only do they fail to meet that definition, but the "UN report" often referenced as "evidence" was actively argued against by the UN itself:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-israel-report-idUSKBN16O1WB
United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has asked the U.N. regional commission that represents most Arab countries to remove from its website a report accusing Israel of practicing an apartheid regime against Palestinians, a U.N. official said on Friday.

The report for the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia, which comprises 18 Arab states, concluded that Israel has established an apartheid regime that dominates the Palestinian people as a whole.

The accusation - often directed against Israel by its critics - has never before been made by a United Nations body. U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said on Wednesday the report was published without prior consultation with the U.N. secretariat.

Israels foreign ministry spokesman likened the report to a Nazi propaganda publication that was strongly anti-Semitic and described it as despicable and a blatant lie.

The United States, Israels main ally, said it was outraged by the report.

The report was still visible on ESCWAs website on Friday.


He literally believes the US and Canada shouldn't exist. He's an openly avowed marxist. He's the biggest extremist out of anyone on CE, doubly so because unlike some troll he actually believes everything he says.
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Are you mossad? Lol why are you so angry? Why can't Israel be called out for what it is?
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 6:50:03 AM
#109:


MuayThai85 posted...
The US, Hindus, Jews, etc. weren't brought up in this topic. Comments claiming Muhammad was some kind of saint however were. He literally married a 6 year old.


The matter is simple. If you call one person a "pedophile" for doing something (or allowing that thing), then it follows you label everyone who does this the same way. Yet I do not see you labelling the US' founding fathers, who had ages of consent as low as 7 years old in some states, as being such.

Odd that. Which of the founding fathers do Americans consider to be a pedophile? Given as per their laws, there's nothing wrong with marrying 10 year olds, which according to you, must mean pedophilia.

You also didn't explain your desperate grasping at straws mentioning you visited Dubai and Saudi, as if that grants you some kind of authority on this subject. Yeah you went on some tourism, give the man a cookie.
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Rika_Furude
09/05/19 6:51:13 AM
#110:


that culture is repulsive. i dont understand why people here are trying to make it acceptable just because its a culture
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Fam_Fam
09/05/19 6:52:16 AM
#111:


"she shouldn't have done that if she knew what could happen"

/alllivesmatterlogic
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 6:56:00 AM
#112:


Rika_Furude posted...
that culture is repulsive. i dont understand why people here are trying to make it acceptable just because its a culture


What culture is repulsive? Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Roman and US culture in the 1800s where the age of consent was 10, 7 in the case of Delaware?

Is there a culture that isn't repulsive?
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GSWarriors-
09/05/19 7:00:25 AM
#113:


Buddahism is the only good and sane religion. The others are made up bullshit with made up gods to brainwash people and justify molesting and having sex with little boys and girls in the name of a fake ho, I mean God.
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MuayThai85
09/05/19 7:22:59 AM
#114:


D_Fen_Door posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
The US, Hindus, Jews, etc. weren't brought up in this topic. Comments claiming Muhammad was some kind of saint however were. He literally married a 6 year old.


The matter is simple. If you call one person a "pedophile" for doing something (or allowing that thing), then it follows you label everyone who does this the same way. Yet I do not see you labelling the US' founding fathers, who had ages of consent as low as 7 years old in some states, as being such.

Odd that. Which of the founding fathers do Americans consider to be a pedophile? Given as per their laws, there's nothing wrong with marrying 10 year olds, which according to you, must mean pedophilia.

You also didn't explain your desperate grasping at straws mentioning you visited Dubai and Saudi, as if that grants you some kind of authority on this subject. Yeah you went on some tourism, give the man a cookie.


Do you know of any "Founding Fathers" who married a literal child? I'm not American so I wouldn't actually know. Marrying a 6 year and then having sex with them at 9 is definitely going to have me consider you as a pedophile regardless of the time you're from.

GSWarriors- posted...
Buddahism is the only good and sane religion. The others are made up bullshit with made up gods to brainwash people and justify molesting and having sex with little boys and girls in the name of a fake ho, I mean God.


Buddhism is actually kind of shit as well. I lived in Thailand for years. Woman can't touch or even sit next to a monk. Women are considered below men just like in Muslim countries.

D_Fen_Door posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
that culture is repulsive. i dont understand why people here are trying to make it acceptable just because its a culture


What culture is repulsive? Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Roman and US culture in the 1800s where the age of consent was 10, 7 in the case of Delaware?

Is there a culture that isn't repulsive?


It's a good thing none of that is allowed anymore, huh? He is quite obviously talking about modern times. Children still get married off by their families to men in the Middle East and Africa without fear of the law stopping them. Women actually have the same rights as men in most of the world, unlike in many Muslim majority countries.
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Ilishe
09/05/19 7:31:15 AM
#115:


Zikten posted...
I will never understand this honor killing bullshit. how does a dad and 2 brothers all decide it's ok to murder the girl they raised/grew up with?


The culture is rotten. What else could it be?
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 7:31:37 AM
#116:


MuayThai85 posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
The US, Hindus, Jews, etc. weren't brought up in this topic. Comments claiming Muhammad was some kind of saint however were. He literally married a 6 year old.


The matter is simple. If you call one person a "pedophile" for doing something (or allowing that thing), then it follows you label everyone who does this the same way. Yet I do not see you labelling the US' founding fathers, who had ages of consent as low as 7 years old in some states, as being such.

Odd that. Which of the founding fathers do Americans consider to be a pedophile? Given as per their laws, there's nothing wrong with marrying 10 year olds, which according to you, must mean pedophilia.

You also didn't explain your desperate grasping at straws mentioning you visited Dubai and Saudi, as if that grants you some kind of authority on this subject. Yeah you went on some tourism, give the man a cookie.


Do you know of any "Founding Fathers" who married a literal child? I'm not American so I wouldn't actually know. Marrying a 6 year and then having sex with them at 9 is definitely going to have me consider you as a pedophile regardless of the time you're from.


Well then you have a double standard because your reply to anyone stating his status as a reformer is simply "hE mArriEd A 9 yEar Old" ignoring the fact that as little as just over a century ago, literally everyone was doing this.

It follows then that in reply to any achievement of any past society, we can simply state "ah ah ah, but their age of consent was 10". I think you'd have to consider Judiasm in particular in an exceptionally negative light since there are modern day Rabbis who have stated that, according to past law (i.e, that this is typically not practiced today) but on a technical level, the "age of consent" is "at birth".
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 7:35:46 AM
#117:


MuayThai85 posted...
It's a good thing none of that is allowed anymore, huh? He is quite obviously talking about modern times. Children still get married off by their families to men in the Middle East and Africa without fear of the law stopping them. Women actually have the same rights as men in most of the world, unlike in many Muslim majority countries.


Yeah, this is a meaningless point to make when I consider the decades of US and Israeli war mongering going on in these places.

Oh they're not up to current societal standards as we've been bombing them and supporting dictatorships for decades? Whooaaaaaa..... amazing.

Yet literally every other society has had all the same exact rules for age of consent, and has changed with time. Spin it any way you like, you're bigoted against arbitrary groups, over arbitrary things. Literally anyone can have such a random opinion, takes no intelligence or consideration of the facts.
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user-2
09/05/19 8:51:49 AM
#118:


Ilishe posted...
Zikten posted...
I will never understand this honor killing bullshit. how does a dad and 2 brothers all decide it's ok to murder the girl they raised/grew up with?


The culture is rotten. What else could it be?


You think their culture is rotten. They probably feel the same way about your culture. In western countries, it is perfectly acceptable for people to lose their virginity at 13 and cheat on their partners. Women go as far as cheating with their husband's best friend. Love and marriage means nothing in the west.
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averagejoel
09/05/19 9:27:11 AM
#119:


there's a hell of a lot of dogwhistling going on in this topic, so I'm gonna repost this:

averagejoel posted...
please do not use this (or other similar articles) as a justification for hating muslims, hating brown people, justifying israeli occupation of palestine, or justifying US imperialism in the middle east

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Shablagoo
09/05/19 11:12:35 AM
#120:


averagejoel posted...
there's a hell of a lot of dogwhistling going on in this topic, so I'm gonna repost this:

averagejoel posted...
please do not use this (or other similar articles) as a justification for hating muslims, hating brown people, justifying israeli occupation of palestine, or justifying US imperialism in the middle east


One user literally has like a dozen posts repeating Muhammad = pedophile ad nauseum even after being proven wrong. If thats not a dog whistle, idk what is.
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 11:20:30 AM
#122:


It could be considered a standard, offensively loud whistle no one cares to hear.
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darkjedilink
09/05/19 11:21:43 AM
#123:


Shablagoo posted...
averagejoel posted...
there's a hell of a lot of dogwhistling going on in this topic, so I'm gonna repost this:

averagejoel posted...
please do not use this (or other similar articles) as a justification for hating muslims, hating brown people, justifying israeli occupation of palestine, or justifying US imperialism in the middle east


One user literally has like a dozen posts repeating Muhammad = pedophile ad nauseum even after being proven wrong. If thats not a dog whistle, idk what is.

What 'proof?' Religious texts that literally state he fucked a 9-year-old in his 50's?
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Shablagoo
09/05/19 11:26:31 AM
#124:


shockthemonkey posted...
Someone outright saying something isnt a dog whistle

D_Fen_Door posted...
It could be considered a standard, offensively loud whistle no one cares to hear.


Alright, fair a loud whistle that is just quiet enough to avoid breaking the TOU.
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AmericaTheBrave
09/05/19 11:30:03 AM
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Just awful
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mario2000
09/05/19 11:32:14 AM
#127:


what a horrible tragedy that i hope no one uses to push their bigoted agenda

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AsucaHayashi
09/05/19 11:33:40 AM
#128:


Zikten posted...
I will never understand this honor killing bullshit.


indoctrination is nothing new.

see: trump/maga zealots
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ASithLord7
09/05/19 11:39:17 AM
#129:


Muays posts itt are interesting considering the prevailing CE lore is that the woman he married was a prostitute of questionable age
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AmericaTheBrave
09/05/19 11:43:31 AM
#130:


GSWarriors- posted...
Buddahism is the only good and sane religion. The others are made up bullshit with made up gods to brainwash people and justify molesting and having sex with little boys and girls in the name of a fake ho, I mean God.


Myanmar is a Buddhist dictatorship and Buddhist extremists commit violence against religious minorities there.
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ThyCorndog
09/05/19 11:46:59 AM
#131:


buddhism tends to get whitewashed in the west for some reason
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ASithLord7
09/05/19 11:47:24 AM
#132:


Buddhism is the only good religion is a great way to identify edgelords with worthless and uneducated opinions
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 11:48:26 AM
#133:


mario2000 posted...
what a horrible tragedy that i hope no one uses to push their bigoted agenda


Too late.
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Shablagoo
09/05/19 11:48:26 AM
#134:


ThyCorndog posted...
buddhism tends to get whitewashed in the west for some reason

FoGK1ew
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 11:49:37 AM
#135:


ASithLord7 posted...
Muays posts itt are interesting considering the prevailing CE lore is that the woman he married was a prostitute of questionable age


That's interesting.

Kind of like how anti-Islamic propaganda is often pushed by orientalist Christians, yet it is Christianity that is known for its pedophilia problem worldwide.
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dj1200
09/05/19 11:52:17 AM
#136:


holy shit

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averagejoel
09/05/19 1:23:28 PM
#137:


Shablagoo posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
buddhism tends to get whitewashed in the west for some reason

FoGK1ew

ok I get the point you're making and everything, but please don't bring Avatar into this (unless you're talking about the live-action movie). one of the things that I found interesting about it is that there aren't actually any white people in it (again, unless you're talking exclusively about the live-action movie).

Aang is light-skinned, but he's not white. the Air Nomads were pretty clearly based on Tibetan monks. same with the Fire nation -- as I understand it, it was based largely on Feudal Japan
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s0nicfan
09/05/19 1:57:47 PM
#138:


D_Fen_Door posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Muays posts itt are interesting considering the prevailing CE lore is that the woman he married was a prostitute of questionable age


That's interesting.

Kind of like how anti-Islamic propaganda is often pushed by orientalist Christians, yet it is Christianity that is known for its pedophilia problem worldwide.


There are about 400k catholic priests worldwide. Let's assume literally all of them are pedophiles.

There are about 15 MILLION new child brides every year:
https://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures/
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Christianity isn't the one with a pedophilia problem.
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ASithLord7
09/05/19 2:01:04 PM
#139:


s0nicfan posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Muays posts itt are interesting considering the prevailing CE lore is that the woman he married was a prostitute of questionable age


That's interesting.

Kind of like how anti-Islamic propaganda is often pushed by orientalist Christians, yet it is Christianity that is known for its pedophilia problem worldwide.


There are about 400k catholic priests worldwide. Let's assume literally all of them are pedophiles.

There are about 15 MILLION new child brides every year:
https://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures/
xMPn0tv

Christianity isn't the one with a pedophilia problem.

Your own link says it isnt specific to any one religion genius
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PokemonYoutube
09/05/19 2:04:45 PM
#140:


Savages gonna savage.
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hockeybub89
09/05/19 2:07:11 PM
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Perascamin
09/05/19 2:08:52 PM
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Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

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hockeybub89
09/05/19 2:11:39 PM
#143:


Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

Not according to the article, though it sounds like it still happens aplenty. That's why her jackass family is saying she was mentally disturbed and fell out a window.
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s0nicfan
09/05/19 2:12:04 PM
#144:


ASithLord7 posted...
Your own link says it isnt specific to any one religion genius


I didn't say name any specific religion except to say that Christianity isn't the one with a pedophilia problem. The data backs that up based on where Christianity is most and least prevalent, and the fact that the number of priests is trivial compared to the number of new child brides each year.
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darkjedilink
09/05/19 2:33:06 PM
#146:


Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 2:58:38 PM
#147:


darkjedilink posted...
Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.


Honor killings are considered Murder in Islamic countries laws as they are in most other places.
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darkjedilink
09/05/19 3:01:51 PM
#148:


D_Fen_Door posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.

Honor killings are considered Murder in Islamic countries laws as they are in most other places.

Technically, so are child soldiers and shooting rockets at school busses.
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D_Fen_Door
09/05/19 3:04:34 PM
#149:


darkjedilink posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.

Honor killings are considered Murder in Islamic countries laws as they are in most other places.

Technically, so are child soldiers and shooting rockets at school busses.


Good thing most people have figured out the real reasons behind these things.
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darkjedilink
09/05/19 3:06:00 PM
#150:


D_Fen_Door posted...
darkjedilink posted...
D_Fen_Door posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Perascamin posted...
Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.

Honor killings are considered Murder in Islamic countries laws as they are in most other places.

Technically, so are child soldiers and shooting rockets at school busses.

Good thing most people have figured out the real reasons behind these things.

Yes - Palestinians hate Jews, and so do most everyone who supports them.
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Is this stuff legal in Palestine or something?

No, because Palestine doesn't exist.

If you mean the Gaza Strip and West Bank, yes. It's legal in almost every majority-Islam nation.

Honor killings are considered Murder in Islamic countries laws as they are in most other places.

Technically, so are child soldiers and shooting rockets at school busses.

Good thing most people have figured out the real reasons behind these things.

Yes - Palestinians hate Jews, and so do most everyone who supports them.


And jews hate Palestinians, so do most that support them.

Random facts time it seems.
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