Current Events > Spider-Man out of the MCU, Sony and Marvel unable to reach deal

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Tyranthraxus 08/20/19 5:55:02 PM #101:	KlRBEH posted... I don't believe this shit until I see it Sony can't possibly be this dumb Nah. They just bought insomniac and let's face it they're going to be on permanent Spider-Man duty. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926324884] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>KlRBEH posted... </cite> <quote>I don't believe this shit until I see it Sony can't possibly be this dumb</quote>Nah. They just bought insomniac and let's face it they're going to be on permanent Spider-Man duty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 5:58:23 PM #102:	Medussa posted... If I were sony, I'd figure out how many movies I'd be prepared to make over the next 15 years, what their average return is expected to be, total it up and offer the rights back to Disney for ten times that much. (and prepare to accept half that number in negotiations.) The ROI is insane, and all upfront. that's nowhere near what they're actually going to make, and it's still a number Disney is capable of accepting. So probably a Spider-Man movie every 2-3 years. So maybe say 6 Spider-Man movies. Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. Then you've also got at least two more Venom sequels. Probably also guaranteed at least 800 million each. They're also working on Silver Sable and Black Cat movies. So perhaps 300-500 million for those. That's the minimum. There's probably going to be more than that. I can't be bothered calculating that but I don't think Disney would accept that at all. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926325020] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>If I were sony, I'd figure out how many movies I'd be prepared to make over the next 15 years, what their average return is expected to be, total it up and offer the rights back to Disney for ten times that much. (and prepare to accept half that number in negotiations.) The ROI is insane, and all upfront. that's nowhere near what they're actually going to make, and it's still a number Disney is capable of accepting.</quote> So probably a Spider-Man movie every 2-3 years. So maybe say 6 Spider-Man movies. Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. Then you've also got at least two more Venom sequels. Probably also guaranteed at least 800 million each. They're also working on Silver Sable and Black Cat movies. So perhaps 300-500 million for those. That's the minimum. There's probably going to be more than that. I can't be bothered calculating that but I don't think Disney would accept that at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nativengine 08/20/19 6:00:46 PM #103:	Darmik posted... Sony isn't going to sell because Disney isn't going to shell out billions for the movie rights to one property. Spider-Man is the biggest safe bet Sony has. They're not letting that go. I have a hard time believing if Disney threw out say a 5 billion dollar offer Sony would pass that up. Yeah, I know that more than they paid for Star Wars but not only can Disney afford it, the MCU is making more money. Weve seen Disney play second fiddle to no one, Sony be damned. --- Jive Turkey <cite>nativengine posted [p:926325125] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Sony isn't going to sell because Disney isn't going to shell out billions for the movie rights to one property. Spider-Man is the biggest safe bet Sony has. They're not letting that go.</quote> I have a hard time believing if Disney threw out say a 5 billion dollar offer Sony would pass that up. Yeah, I know that more than they paid for Star Wars but not only can Disney afford it, the MCU is making more money. Weve seen Disney play second fiddle to no one, Sony be damned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/20/19 6:00:49 PM #104:	Darmik posted... Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926325127] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. </quote> LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BipBapBam 08/20/19 6:01:08 PM #105:	Wow, this actually ruined my day I fucking love MCU Spidey. And Spidey in general. --- Regardless of warnings, the future doesn't scare me at all. <cite>BipBapBam posted [p:926325144] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Wow, this actually ruined my day I fucking love MCU Spidey. And Spidey in general.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:02:03 PM #106:	OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke. My bad I was off. Guaranteed 700 million. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926325175] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. </quote> LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke.</quote> My bad I was off. Guaranteed 700 million.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/20/19 6:03:41 PM #107:	net, not gross. I was estimating 25 movies over 15 years. average net around 50M, so a final sale price of ~5B. that's a lot, sure. maybe even too much. but it has to be for Sony to give it up. and I think Disney'd be happy to overpay to gain control. especially after seeing how much fox shitting the bed actually hurt them. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:926325252] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>net, not gross. I was estimating 25 movies over 15 years. average net around 50M, so a final sale price of ~5B. that's a lot, sure. maybe even too much. but it has to be for Sony to give it up. and I think Disney'd be happy to overpay to gain control. especially after seeing how much fox shitting the bed actually hurt them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/20/19 6:04:23 PM #108:	Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke. My bad I was off. Guaranteed 700 million. Nope. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926325282] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Probably guaranteed at least 800 million at the box office. </quote> LOL none of their movies will make that. Sony is garbage and Venom was a fluke.</quote> My bad I was off. Guaranteed 700 million.</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SocialistGamer 08/20/19 6:04:28 PM #109:	https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890 --- Capcom is the best developer ever! Formerly known as: LIsJustice <cite>SocialistGamer posted [p:926325286] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/20/19 6:05:41 PM #110:	Zack_Attackv1 posted... It hurts, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5MGVvaiQ8s" data-time=" Now you know how we feel. No we don't seeing as nobody like that movie. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:926325344] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Zack_Attackv1 posted... </cite> <quote>It hurts, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5MGVvaiQ8s" data-time=" Now you know how we feel.</quote>No we don't seeing as nobody like that movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarriorFenix 08/20/19 6:05:57 PM #111:	Also a point to consider (although i might be over-estimating this) is that if Sony does pull Spiderman from the MCU there might be a backlash from fans who might straight up boycott any future Sony Spiderman movies. It probably wouldn't amount to much, but it could blow up in their face. --- Celtic FC - Come on you Bhoys in Green! http://s22.postimg.org/552gnbb9d/S1_Ne2v_J.jpg <cite>WarriorFenix posted [p:926325355] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Also a point to consider (although i might be over-estimating this) is that if Sony does pull Spiderman from the MCU there might be a backlash from fans who might straight up boycott any future Sony Spiderman movies. It probably wouldn't amount to much, but it could blow up in their face.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 08/20/19 6:05:58 PM #112:	Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 33, 500th posts: 28; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:926325357] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/20/19 6:06:36 PM #113:	SocialistGamer posted... https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890 "Update: Sony saw they were trending and not in a good way and are rethinking things." yup. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:926325381] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>SocialistGamer posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890</quote> "Update: Sony saw they were trending and not in a good way and are rethinking things." yup.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/20/19 6:06:36 PM #114:	PiOverlord posted... Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. because the last one they made bombed hard <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926325383] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> because the last one they made bombed hard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:07:20 PM #115:	Medussa posted... net, not gross. I was estimating 25 movies over 15 years. average net around 50M, so a final sale price of ~5B. that's a lot, sure. maybe even too much. but it has to be for Sony to give it up. and I think Disney'd be happy to overpay to gain control. especially after seeing how much fox shitting the bed actually hurt them. I don't see it. They already made money off the merchandise and licensing. Marvel Cinematic Universe doesn't really need him. OctilIery posted... Nope. No live action Spidey has made less than that. You're in denial lol --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926325414] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted... </cite> <quote>net, not gross. I was estimating 25 movies over 15 years. average net around 50M, so a final sale price of ~5B. that's a lot, sure. maybe even too much. but it has to be for Sony to give it up. and I think Disney'd be happy to overpay to gain control. especially after seeing how much fox shitting the bed actually hurt them.</quote> I don't see it. They already made money off the merchandise and licensing. Marvel Cinematic Universe doesn't really need him. OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>Nope.</quote> No live action Spidey has made less than that. You're in denial lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/20/19 6:08:10 PM #116:	DarthAragorn posted... PiOverlord posted... Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. because the last one they made bombed hard right? they're, at best, 4 for 7? --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:926325442] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> because the last one they made bombed hard</quote> right? they're, at best, 4 for 7?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EpicMickeyDrew 08/20/19 6:11:22 PM #117:	@Hayame Zero posted... They were offered $25 for every property, $25??? --- Just how, pray tell, does your dick "take life"? How could a dick take a life? - XciteMe <cite>EpicMickeyDrew posted [p:926325599] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>@Hayame Zero posted...</cite> <quote> They were offered $25 for every property,</quote> $25???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 08/20/19 6:12:08 PM #118:	PiOverlord posted... Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. This. Are people suddenly forgetting the Tobey Maguire films. Also how would a third film even work now without the MCU. Like he is gonna need another spider suit now. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:926325629] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> This. Are people suddenly forgetting the Tobey Maguire films. Also how would a third film even work now without the MCU. Like he is gonna need another spider suit now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:12:23 PM #119:	He means $25 million. Sony could have bought every Marvel property movie rights for $25 million back in the day. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926325639] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>He means $25 million. Sony could have bought every Marvel property movie rights for $25 million back in the day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 08/20/19 6:13:26 PM #120:	DarthAragorn posted... PiOverlord posted... Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. because the last one they made bombed hard Every single Sony Spider-Man related film has been profitable, even ASM2. Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie? --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 33, 500th posts: 28; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:926325680] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> because the last one they made bombed hard</quote> Every single Sony Spider-Man related film has been profitable, even ASM2. Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripleh213 08/20/19 6:14:49 PM #121:	I can't believe it --- Green Bay Packers NFLB Guillotine Season 2 PS4 looks great <cite>tripleh213 posted [p:926325747] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/20/19 6:14:50 PM #122:	PiOverlord posted... DarthAragorn posted... PiOverlord posted... Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. because the last one they made bombed hard Every single Sony Spider-Man related film has been profitable, even ASM2. Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie? so profitable they canned a sequel and went running to Marvel <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926325749] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you all downplaying the success Sony had with Spider-Man pre-Disney. </quote> because the last one they made bombed hard</quote> Every single Sony Spider-Man related film has been profitable, even ASM2. Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie?</quote> so profitable they canned a sequel and went running to Marvel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:16:12 PM #123:	Lebronwon posted... Also how would a third film even work now without the MCU. Like he is gonna need another spider suit now. I think it would be pretty easy unfortunately. They probably could use the suit no problem. The cliffhanger gives them an excuse to have Peter abandoned by everyone. The biggest awkward thing is Happy but he's not essential. They would also need to move on from Stark. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926325814] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Lebronwon posted... </cite> <quote>Also how would a third film even work now without the MCU. Like he is gonna need another spider suit now.</quote> I think it would be pretty easy unfortunately. They probably could use the suit no problem. The cliffhanger gives them an excuse to have Peter abandoned by everyone. The biggest awkward thing is Happy but he's not essential. They would also need to move on from Stark. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/20/19 6:17:41 PM #124:	PiOverlord posted... Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie? they don't need every major movie. but yeah, it sucks that Marvel doesn't have control over all their stuff, because of stupid people 30 years ago. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:926325878] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote> Why do you all get mad that Disney doesn't get to control every major movie?</quote> they don't need every major movie. but yeah, it sucks that Marvel doesn't have control over all their stuff, because of stupid people 30 years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:20:44 PM #125:	Warner Bros owns all of the DC properties and look how that turned out. MCU wouldn't exist without those deals made 20-30 years ago. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926326009] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Warner Bros owns all of the DC properties and look how that turned out. MCU wouldn't exist without those deals made 20-30 years ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evol 08/20/19 6:27:48 PM #126:	I'm #TeamSony. Fuck Disney and its cult fans. <cite>Evol posted [p:926326313] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>I'm #TeamSony. Fuck Disney and its cult fans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 08/20/19 6:29:32 PM #127:	Im gonna be honest, I dont really like the MCU version of Spidey so Im not really torn up over this. Sucks for fans of it though --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:926326405] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Im gonna be honest, I dont really like the MCU version of Spidey so Im not really torn up over this. Sucks for fans of it though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 6:29:38 PM #128:	It's weird how people think Spider-Man has ever not been profitable for Sony... --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926326412] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>It's weird how people think Spider-Man has ever not been profitable for Sony...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 6:31:38 PM #129:	Medussa posted... SocialistGamer posted... https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890 "Update: Sony saw they were trending and not in a good way and are rethinking things." yup. Suddenly Disney claiming Sony just walked away without even trying to negotiate sounds like a lot of bullshit. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926326507] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>SocialistGamer posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890</quote> "Update: Sony saw they were trending and not in a good way and are rethinking things." yup.</quote> Suddenly Disney claiming Sony just walked away without even trying to negotiate sounds like a lot of bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 6:35:11 PM #130:	AlecSkorpio posted... Suddenly Disney claiming Sony just walked away without even trying to negotiate sounds like a lot of bullshit. It's possible Disney leaked this on purpose to put pressure on Sony to get a better deal. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926326673] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>AlecSkorpio posted... </cite> <quote>Suddenly Disney claiming Sony just walked away without even trying to negotiate sounds like a lot of bullshit.</quote> It's possible Disney leaked this on purpose to put pressure on Sony to get a better deal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonYoutube 08/20/19 6:38:53 PM #131:	Zack_Attackv1 posted... It hurts, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5MGVvaiQ8s" data-time=" Now you know how we feel. I gotta say, as lackluster as those movies were, that mecha Rhino design is pretty dope. <cite>PokemonYoutube posted [p:926326852] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Zack_Attackv1 posted... </cite> <quote>It hurts, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5MGVvaiQ8s" data-time=" Now you know how we feel.</quote>I gotta say, as lackluster as those movies were, that mecha Rhino design is pretty dope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxKrazyChaosxX 08/20/19 6:54:26 PM #132:	--- "I woke up at four am by accident in time for the paper to be delivered. Guess what? It's not a kid on a bike, it's a man in a car." - Kevin Malone <cite>XxKrazyChaosxX posted [p:926327540] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/20/19 6:54:44 PM #133:	Northlane posted... People should be mad at Disney imo Would you give up 50% of the movie profits when Disney already owns 100% of the merchandising rights When the raimi trilogy was hot, it was still a question whether if sony was gonna be able to pump out a movie every 3 years to keep the rights But with Tom Holland, the rest of the actors, Amy Pascal and co. in place for 2 more movies, the Venom sequel, Kraven the Hunter, and the Into the Spider-verse sequels... there are plenty of movies to be made Sony has plenty of reasons to be confident about the license going forward, they're hardballing for good reason A Sony spiderverse would do gangbusters Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Sony is the bad guy, not Disney. Especially when Ive read multiple times that Sony sold Disney the merchandise rights back, so that isnt Disneys fault they have those rights. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:926327553] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Northlane posted...</cite> <quote>People should be mad at Disney imo Would you give up 50% of the movie profits when Disney already owns 100% of the merchandising rights When the raimi trilogy was hot, it was still a question whether if sony was gonna be able to pump out a movie every 3 years to keep the rights But with Tom Holland, the rest of the actors, Amy Pascal and co. in place for 2 more movies, the Venom sequel, Kraven the Hunter, and the Into the Spider-verse sequels... there are plenty of movies to be made Sony has plenty of reasons to be confident about the license going forward, they're hardballing for good reason A Sony spiderverse would do gangbusters</quote> Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Sony is the bad guy, not Disney. Especially when Ive read multiple times that Sony sold Disney the merchandise rights back, so that isnt Disneys fault they have those rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 6:57:26 PM #134:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Like what? --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926327677] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney.</quote> Like what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/20/19 6:58:04 PM #135:	Lol claiming a fucking producer credit is the reason behind this is dumb as fuck. And any future Sony Spiderman movies would never get the pull that the MCU Spiderman movies have. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926327699] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Lol claiming a fucking producer credit is the reason behind this is dumb as fuck. And any future Sony Spiderman movies would never get the pull that the MCU Spiderman movies have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 7:00:05 PM #136:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926327783] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote>Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney.</quote> Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 08/20/19 7:02:30 PM #137:	Should have never made a deal to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. They just helped prolong Sony Picturess eventual death. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:926327885] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Should have never made a deal to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. They just helped prolong Sony Picturess eventual death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/20/19 7:03:47 PM #138:	Darmik posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926327938] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote> Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney.</quote> Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. </quote> I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 7:08:43 PM #139:	Smashingpmkns posted... I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from. Venom made 850 million dollars. I mean I'm not really concerned how much money these movies make. I just want good movies. Neither company is the good guy here. To be totally honest I'm more hyped for Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and any Spider-Verse follow ups. Which aren't impacted by this deal. If the next Tom Holland movie follows the stuff from Far From Home and does a good job I don't care if it isn't officially part of the MCU anymore. If anything I want this character to stand on his own more. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926328188] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from.</quote> Venom made 850 million dollars. I mean I'm not really concerned how much money these movies make. I just want good movies. Neither company is the good guy here. To be totally honest I'm more hyped for Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and any Spider-Verse follow ups. Which aren't impacted by this deal. If the next Tom Holland movie follows the stuff from Far From Home and does a good job I don't care if it isn't officially part of the MCU anymore. If anything I want this character to stand on his own more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 7:11:12 PM #140:	Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from. Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926328293] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote> Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney.</quote> Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. </quote> I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from.</quote> Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/20/19 7:13:09 PM #141:	AlecSkorpio posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from. Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal. theyve had lower budgets than sony's last attempts at spiderman and still made more, significantly more in far from home's case <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926328371] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote> Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney.</quote> Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. </quote> I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from.</quote> Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal.</quote> theyve had lower budgets than sony's last attempts at spiderman and still made more, significantly more in far from home's case</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/20/19 7:13:29 PM #142:	Good, I was getting bored of Iron Boy. Disney doesn't need to own everything, I'm glad Sony can do something new. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/nDVyBfn.gif <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:926328383] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Good, I was getting bored of Iron Boy. Disney doesn't need to own everything, I'm glad Sony can do something new.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 7:15:20 PM #143:	DarthAragorn posted... theyve had lower budgets than sony's last attempts at spiderman and still made more, significantly more in far from home's case And Far From Home was also coming off Endgame hype, which won't be there next time. And even though it made 400 million more, it's still not worth it for Sony to take a 50/50 deal. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926328458] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>theyve had lower budgets than sony's last attempts at spiderman and still made more, significantly more in far from home's case</quote> And Far From Home was also coming off Endgame hype, which won't be there next time. And even though it made 400 million more, it's still not worth it for Sony to take a 50/50 deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/20/19 7:17:06 PM #144:	It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926328538] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/20/19 7:18:23 PM #145:	AlecSkorpio posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from. Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal. FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better). --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926328594] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote> Not when everything that made the MCU Spiderman so good is staying with Disney. </quote> Nah Tom Holland is still with Sony. </quote> I think you're underestimating the connection between the MCU continuity and box office sales. MCU movies also tend to be more successful when there's crossover with other MCU franchises and characters, something both Spiderman movies have benefited from.</quote> Neither Homecoming nor Far From Home have done that much better than other Spider-Man films Certainly not enough for Sony to take some sort of 50/50 deal.</quote> FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 7:19:19 PM #146:	Darmik posted... It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? Excellent point I really doubt China gives two fucks about any of this. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926328651] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? </quote> Excellent point I really doubt China gives two fucks about any of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 7:21:15 PM #147:	Smashingpmkns posted... FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better). What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926328757] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better).</quote> What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/20/19 7:22:07 PM #148:	Darmik posted... It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? The first Spiderman movie was also almost 20 years ago when no one was making hero movies, and only did less than 30 mil more in the US. It did significantly less world wide. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926328800] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It should probably be pointed out that in America the first Spider-Man movie made more than Far From Home. How much of its success is due to the MCU and how much is due to a much bigger global market? </quote> The first Spiderman movie was also almost 20 years ago when no one was making hero movies, and only did less than 30 mil more in the US. It did significantly less world wide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/20/19 7:22:34 PM #149:	AlecSkorpio posted... Smashingpmkns posted... FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better). What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal. from what I thought I read today, the 50/50 split isn't for the lifetime of the movie <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926328824] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better).</quote> What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal.</quote> from what I thought I read today, the 50/50 split isn't for the lifetime of the movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/20/19 7:23:35 PM #150:	AlecSkorpio posted... Smashingpmkns posted... FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better). What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal. They still probably made much more on FFH after counting in production costs. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926328880] in Spider-Man... [t:77952308]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> FFH literally broke $1 billion lol the Amazing Spiderman movies did significantly less, and Into the Spiderverse even more so (though it deserves better).</quote> What you're failing to grasp is that at a 50/50 split, Sony would only get 500 million of that (less, in fact) Where as Amazing Spider-Man, at it's worst, still made 700 million. So...it's not worth it in Sony's eyes to take that kind of deal.</quote> They still probably made much more on FFH after counting in production costs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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