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LinkMarioSamus
08/12/19 11:55:13 AM
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...present a high-ranking military official as a Hate Sink, but still want you to feel bad for them when they sacrifice themselves.

Even better, in both cases the official has a first name starting with 'A'.
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Johnny Eagle
08/12/19 11:56:44 AM
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And those works of fiction are...?
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mnkboy907
08/12/19 11:58:03 AM
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Are they both Star Wars: The Last Jedi?
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ChaosTonyV4
08/12/19 11:59:46 AM
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Jojo part 2 has a good one.

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GranzonEx
08/12/19 12:00:48 PM
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Anthony S?
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GTM
08/12/19 12:08:32 PM
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Other m is one of course
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PumpkinCoach
08/12/19 12:13:26 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
Are they both Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

GTM posted...
Other m is one of course

so this topic could have ended on "i can think of at least two works of fiction"
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LinkMarioSamus
08/12/19 1:13:08 PM
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Yes, indeed they are Other M and The Last Jedi.
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Ngamer64
08/12/19 2:27:55 PM
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PumpkinCoach posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
Are they both Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

GTM posted...
Other m is one of course

so this topic could have ended on "i can think of at least two works of fiction"

Nice.


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Leonhart4
08/12/19 2:44:12 PM
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Well, it could have been titled as "I can only think of two works of fiction."
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Waluigi1
08/12/19 2:45:53 PM
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What a dumb gimmick.
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ClyTheCool
08/12/19 3:28:26 PM
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LMS fatigue is very real
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Nanis23
08/12/19 3:32:30 PM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Yes, indeed they are Other M and The Last Jedi.
God fucking damnit you are such a miserable human being

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scarletspeed7
08/12/19 3:59:43 PM
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Hypocrisy, thy name is Nanis.
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redrocket
08/12/19 4:03:53 PM
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The Admiral In the Last Jedi is not presented as a hate sink. She is a scrappy (among a segment of the fanbase).
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Nanis23
08/12/19 5:13:39 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Hypocrisy, thy name is Nanis.
At least I am real
I might not be the happiest man in the world but this is me, this is my personality, and not a fucking gimmick like "omg Other M xdxdxd" shit he is pulling every single day

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Gatarix
08/12/19 5:15:12 PM
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PumpkinCoach posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
Are they both Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

GTM posted...
Other m is one of course

so this topic could have ended on "i can think of at least two works of fiction"

perfect
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Eddv
08/12/19 5:23:36 PM
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Lmao

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LinkMarioSamus
08/13/19 1:26:25 PM
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redrocket posted...
The Admiral In the Last Jedi is not presented as a hate sink. She is a scrappy (among a segment of the fanbase).


She seemed like one to me, but of course her heroic sacrifice really puts that into question. The character is honestly kind of emblematic of the failings of the whole film (and I don't even think it's a bad movie, just an unsatisfactory one).
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colliding
08/13/19 1:40:34 PM
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Holdo would be fine if the entire series wasn't built on the idea that leaders who seem corrupted by power and not acting in the best interest of their followers should be rebelled against

As it is, the movie gives no justification for her being secretive of her final plan and she makes no attempts to assure Poe or get him to trust her. Pretty much she expects him to follow her without questioning her motivations or authority. But again, the entire series is based on NOT doing that.

So when it turns out she was good all along it doesn't feel like it has any bearing on the plot other than to be a "gotcha" moment. The film rather cruelly scolds viewers for doing exactly what it has trained them to do.

It's just a bit confusing because I don't understand the message RJ is trying to communicate here. That people should sometimes just shut up and listen to their leaders when they're acting sketchy? That goes against the movie's entire theme of resistance. Is the Poe/Holdo dynamic in there solely to make a point about "toxic masculinity" and strong female characters? This doesn't work either because Poe wasn't doing anything particularly "toxic" within the logic of the film and the series has had numerous strong female characters already.

TLJ is an okay movie but yeah. I don't get what RJ was going for with Holdo at all.
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Waluigi1
08/13/19 3:55:41 PM
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colliding posted...
I don't get what RJ was going for with anything at all

Ftfy
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LinkMarioSamus
08/14/19 5:59:43 AM
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TLJ was trying to have its cake and eat it too. It puts forth some radical new ideas for the films, and then just settles back into being another Star Wars product.
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MZero11
08/14/19 6:26:25 AM
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I wonder my past me decided to take LMS off of ignore
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pjbasis
08/14/19 7:46:04 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
Well, it could have been titled as "I can only think of two works of fiction."


lmao yes
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