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teepan95 08/08/19 1:25:41 AM #151:	FL81 posted... __aCEr__ posted... Does anybody have more of these political tests? The Economic Axis has me WAY more Socialist than I was expecting to be but everything else seemed about right. This is another more in-depth test https://www.politiscales.net/ https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?c1=21&c0=45&femi=48&b0=74&b1=12&s0=76&s1=7&p1=29&p0=55&e0=55&e1=19&j0=50&j1=33&reli=100 --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:925781270] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote><cite>FL81 posted...</cite> <quote>__aCEr__ posted...</cite> <quote> Does anybody have more of these political tests? The Economic Axis has me WAY more Socialist than I was expecting to be but everything else seemed about right.</quote> This is another more in-depth test https://www.politiscales.net/</quote> https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?c1=21&c0=45&femi=48&b0=74&b1=12&s0=76&s1=7&p1=29&p0=55&e0=55&e1=19&j0=50&j1=33&reli=100</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
closetjpopfan 08/08/19 9:13:33 AM #152:	Altruism exists, but so does its opposite and therefore it should by no means be a guiding principle of economic policy, and very much by extension government. kirbymuncher posted... well I did that test and got this https://files.catbox.moe/w066pl.png I can't help but feel like some questions were worded in an ambiguous way considering the options available to choose from. Like for example the very first one: Oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments. Let's say you think the two are equal? Do you pick strongly disagree? Or does picking strongly disagree mean you think oppression by governments is more of a concern than by corporations? Then you would vote neutral, and get no points either way. If you're neutral it may seem like a wasted question, specially for the first question it throws you off a bit but it's a good question if you think about it, specially to lead with. I like it because I think it drives at the very idea of what government should be in the first place, indeed whether there should be a government at all or not. I know I could never disagree with it. <cite>closetjpopfan posted [p:925789761] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Altruism exists, but so does its opposite and therefore it should by no means be a guiding principle of economic policy, and very much by extension government. kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>well I did that test and got this https://files.catbox.moe/w066pl.png I can't help but feel like some questions were worded in an ambiguous way considering the options available to choose from. Like for example the very first one: <quote>Oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments.</quote> Let's say you think the two are equal? Do you pick strongly disagree? Or does picking strongly disagree mean you think oppression by governments is more of a concern than by corporations?</quote> Then you would vote neutral, and get no points either way. If you're neutral it may seem like a wasted question, specially for the first question it throws you off a bit but it's a good question if you think about it, specially to lead with. I like it because I think it drives at the very idea of what government should be in the first place, indeed whether there should be a government at all or not. I know I could never disagree with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TreyFlowers 08/08/19 9:35:32 PM #153:	Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist --- PATRIOTS Tom Brady objectively has six rings. <cite>TreyFlowers posted [p:925819082] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/08/19 9:40:38 PM #154:	someone make a topic about human nature and altruism --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:925819271] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>someone make a topic about human nature and altruism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 08/08/19 9:53:38 PM #155:	TreyFlowers posted... Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:925819837] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted... </cite> <quote>Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist</quote> Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TreyFlowers 08/08/19 11:01:23 PM #156:	QueenCarly posted... TreyFlowers posted... Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. Even if somebody did something "altruistic", the enjoyment they would get out of the action means that it isn't a true altruistic act. --- PATRIOTS Tom Brady objectively has six rings. <cite>TreyFlowers posted [p:925822747] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted... </cite> <quote>Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist</quote> Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. </quote> Even if somebody did something "altruistic", the enjoyment they would get out of the action means that it isn't a true altruistic act.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/08/19 11:30:00 PM #157:	sounds like semantics to me --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:925823801] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>sounds like semantics to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 08/08/19 11:38:53 PM #158:	ThyCorndog posted... someone make a topic about human nature and altruism i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:925824083] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>someone make a topic about human nature and altruism</quote> i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 08/09/19 5:35:21 AM #159:	QueenCarly posted... TreyFlowers posted... Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. That's completely untrue. In any environment, your immediate needs and your family's immediate needs are going to supersede other people's needs. As such, in any kind of society, you're going to have selfishness. If anything, the whole "blame capitalism" needs to go. And competition might be relevant at the company level, but it's not going to have as much impact on most individuals. Cashiers at rival grocers, for instance, aren't competing against one another even if their companies are competing. TheMikh posted... ThyCorndog posted... someone make a topic about human nature and altruism i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion I think that certain acts of altruism are almost hardwired within the human brain when it comes to things like imminent threats. At that point, it's instinct rather than calculated risk/reward. For instance, if a child was being chased by a dog, most people would instinctively try to do something to help the child regardless of the child's race, religion, nationality, etc. (And, from an evolutionary standpoint, you kinda can't stop to evaluate certain things which is why the instinct is valuable.) And although you describe altruism outside of your in-group as a novel trait, I should point out the popularity of things like foreign aid charities where children or families living in other countries are sponsored. (And sacrificing money is a fairly traditional idea of altrusim.) Granted, the latter scenario still leave open the argument that there is a form of self-interest, in that charity can be gratifying to a person's ego and, in certain cases, can even assuage guilt. Therefore it's not an entirely pure motive. And I suppose you could argue that the defining characteristic of goodness is intention and, if you instinctively save somebody, you aren't necessarily making a choice. More importantly, things like social safety nets don't necessarily represent altruistic intentions because supporting these systems is basically a form of insurance and, in many cases, the people promoting them expect to eventually benefit from the programs themselves. And, realistically speaking, the longer you live, the more likely you are to end up on government benefits. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:925831280] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted... </cite> <quote>Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist</quote> Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. </quote> That's completely untrue. In any environment, your immediate needs and your family's immediate needs are going to supersede other people's needs. As such, in any kind of society, you're going to have selfishness. If anything, the whole "blame capitalism" needs to go. And competition might be relevant at the company level, but it's not going to have as much impact on most individuals. Cashiers at rival grocers, for instance, aren't competing against one another even if their companies are competing. TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>someone make a topic about human nature and altruism</quote> i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion</quote> I think that certain acts of altruism are almost hardwired within the human brain when it comes to things like imminent threats. At that point, it's instinct rather than calculated risk/reward. For instance, if a child was being chased by a dog, most people would instinctively try to do something to help the child regardless of the child's race, religion, nationality, etc. (And, from an evolutionary standpoint, you kinda can't stop to evaluate certain things which is why the instinct is valuable.) And although you describe altruism outside of your in-group as a novel trait, I should point out the popularity of things like foreign aid charities where children or families living in other countries are sponsored. (And sacrificing money is a fairly traditional idea of altrusim.) Granted, the latter scenario still leave open the argument that there is a form of self-interest, in that charity can be gratifying to a person's ego and, in certain cases, can even assuage guilt. Therefore it's not an entirely pure motive. And I suppose you could argue that the defining characteristic of goodness is intention and, if you instinctively save somebody, you aren't necessarily making a choice. More importantly, things like social safety nets don't necessarily represent altruistic intentions because supporting these systems is basically a form of insurance and, in many cases, the people promoting them expect to eventually benefit from the programs themselves. And, realistically speaking, the longer you live, the more likely you are to end up on government benefits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
closetjpopfan 08/09/19 9:14:37 AM #160:	TreyFlowers posted... QueenCarly posted... TreyFlowers posted... Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. Even if somebody did something "altruistic", the enjoyment they would get out of the action means that it isn't a true altruistic act. No, it's actually the opposite. It's better to feel good about an altruistic action than not. You're supposed to feel good when doing good for the sake of doing good. That means you're also doing good to yourself. Altruism doesn't require you to suffer or to feel like you're losing something for doing good. It doesn't even require you to actually lose anything. It just requires you to do good regardless of whether you lose or win. TheMikh posted... ThyCorndog posted... someone make a topic about human nature and altruism i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion This brings up a very good point. Altruism is tied to identity. And moreover, identity is tied to education. This whole Darwinian thinking is just sadly limited education showing. When you're taught that you "belong" to this or that group, to the exclusion of some other group, then you will "naturally" feel like the good of your group supersedes the good of another group. <cite>closetjpopfan posted [p:925835374] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted...</cite> <quote>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted... </cite> <quote>Altruism and human nature cannot co-exist</quote> Nonsense. This whole "humans are naturally selfish" needs to go. The way humans behave is defined by the environment that we live in. In a capitalistic environment we are naturally forced to be selfish and competitive to survive. </quote> Even if somebody did something "altruistic", the enjoyment they would get out of the action means that it isn't a true altruistic act.</quote> No, it's actually the opposite. It's better to feel good about an altruistic action than not. You're supposed to feel good when doing good for the sake of doing good. That means you're also doing good to yourself. Altruism doesn't require you to suffer or to feel like you're losing something for doing good. It doesn't even require you to actually lose anything. It just requires you to do good regardless of whether you lose or win. TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>someone make a topic about human nature and altruism</quote> i think the red queen does a decent job of breaking this down from an evolutionary standpoint altruism is a thing in humans, but largely within ingroups (e.g., family, clan, tribe), since the particular individual's sacrifice is to the benefit of said individual's gene pool that is not to say individuals are not willing to make sacrifices for others outside their gene pool, but it is a novel trait i'd take things a bit further, however, and put forth the hypothesis that altruism within a diverse population is a possibility granted there is a strong memetic affinity between the individuals - examples of this include nationalism and religion</quote> This brings up a very good point. Altruism is tied to identity. And moreover, identity is tied to education. This whole Darwinian thinking is just sadly limited education showing. When you're taught that you "belong" to this or that group, to the exclusion of some other group, then you will "naturally" feel like the good of your group supersedes the good of another group.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/09/19 9:40:48 AM #161:	it became a judgment zone --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:925836075] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>it became a judgment zone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/09/19 9:43:37 AM #162:	Democratic socialist --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:925836147] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Democratic socialist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/09/19 9:57:20 AM #163:	Balrog0 posted... it became a judgment zone at least it's tame as far as CE arguments go --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:925836568] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>it became a judgment zone</quote> at least it's tame as far as CE arguments go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_of_BeefDip 08/09/19 1:07:08 PM #164:	FL81 posted... __aCEr__ posted... Does anybody have more of these political tests? The Economic Axis has me WAY more Socialist than I was expecting to be but everything else seemed about right. This is another more in-depth test https://www.politiscales.net/ Never saw that one before. Alright. https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?j0=45&j1=19&p1=26&p0=50&m1=10&m0=69&s1=14&s0=64&t1=40&t0=17&b0=55&b1=14&e0=24&e1=21&c0=48&femi=33&c1=19 That's how I ended up apparently. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1343-unofficial-nintendo-switch-board My board for discussion of the NS, and other Nintendo related subjects. <cite>Lord_of_BeefDip posted [p:925843509] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted...</cite> <quote>__aCEr__ posted...</cite> <quote>Does anybody have more of these political tests? The Economic Axis has me WAY more Socialist than I was expecting to be but everything else seemed about right.</quote> This is another more in-depth test https://www.politiscales.net/</quote> Never saw that one before. Alright. https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?j0=45&j1=19&p1=26&p0=50&m1=10&m0=69&s1=14&s0=64&t1=40&t0=17&b0=55&b1=14&e0=24&e1=21&c0=48&femi=33&c1=19 That's how I ended up apparently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
closetjpopfan 08/09/19 7:00:35 PM #165:	Never done this one before either, sounds right. https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?e0=64&e1=14&t1=55&t0=14&s1=36&s0=36&j1=14&j0=43&b1=5&b0=83&c1=52&c0=24&p1=5&p0=81&comp=67&m0=69&m1=10 <cite>closetjpopfan posted [p:925857960] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Never done this one before either, sounds right. https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?e0=64&e1=14&t1=55&t0=14&s1=36&s0=36&j1=14&j0=43&b1=5&b0=83&c1=52&c0=24&p1=5&p0=81&comp=67&m0=69&m1=10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/10/19 3:23:02 AM #166:	So this just happened... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:925873555] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>So this just happened... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 08/10/19 3:28:04 AM #167:	Socially conservative and fiscally conservative. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:925873648] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Socially conservative and fiscally conservative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/10/19 9:30:01 AM #168:	Questionmarktarius posted... So this just happened... never saw results that close to 100% on everything --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:925878678] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>So this just happened... </quote> never saw results that close to 100% on everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/10/19 9:31:35 AM #169:	konokonohamaru posted... That's pretty interesting, since aren't Libertarians, the third most popular party on the bottom right? The libertarians have like 2 percent of the vote, max. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:925878702] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>That's pretty interesting, since aren't Libertarians, the third most popular party on the bottom right? </quote> The libertarians have like 2 percent of the vote, max.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 08/10/19 9:32:50 AM #170:	I dont. \_()_/ --- These pretzels are making me thirsty! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:925878723] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>I dont. \_()_/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 08/11/19 3:54:41 PM #171:	Antifar posted... konokonohamaru posted... That's pretty interesting, since aren't Libertarians, the third most popular party on the bottom right? The libertarians have like 2 percent of the vote, max. Hey now we broke 3% of the vote in 2016 --- https://i.imgtc.ws/uBYqPMK.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/UAGNJFv.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/cBTnWgf.png https://i.imgtc.ws/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:925930934] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>That's pretty interesting, since aren't Libertarians, the third most popular party on the bottom right? </quote> The libertarians have like 2 percent of the vote, max.</quote> Hey now we broke 3% of the vote in 2016 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/11/19 3:58:54 PM #172:	you're getting there man --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:925931081] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>you're getting there man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 08/11/19 4:48:59 PM #173:	This is my result from that politiscales but I skip a bunch cause Im at work. Ill take it again after to see if its any different when I can take more time. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:925932911] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>This is my result from that politiscales but I skip a bunch cause Im at work. Ill take it again after to see if its any different when I can take more time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 08/13/19 6:58:56 AM #174:	Progressive, Democrat, Bernie supporter, Hillary voter, non-violent. I usually end up as a Democratic Socialist on the tests. Bottom left below the medium line. --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://RightWingWatch.org/ https://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads https://reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/new <cite>Notti posted [p:926002545] in How do you... [t:77922305]...</cite> <quote>Progressive, Democrat, Bernie supporter, Hillary voter, non-violent. I usually end up as a Democratic Socialist on the tests. Bottom left below the medium line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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