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Dark_SilverX
08/04/19 4:37:23 AM
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Is this what they mean by MAGA? :(

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Crazyman93
08/04/19 4:39:35 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Seeing reports of up to 7 dead and suspect was dressed in all black with an AR15

Welcome to the new normal

I'll believe it was an AR-15 when a credible source still says it a week later. It's just like the AK-47 was the boogeyman gun years ago, the media can only remember one firearm model.
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MaverickXeo
08/04/19 4:46:14 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Did any of the shooters openly claim to be, or were found out to be, opposed to Obama as the reason for the shootings? Many of the shootings I recall were due to other factors - mental health being at the forefront.

"dey took our jerbs!!" seems to be a general commonality.
Xenophobic losers. Almost all the time.


I did a quick reading of the more recent shootings listed by the Wikipedia article, and a common 'factor' is mental health state. Some shootings were done on military bases (or in public places) by current or ex-soldiers (PTSD?), some were done by individuals who were claimed to be depressed or suffer from anxiety. Only 2 of the 18 were listed as religiously or culturally driven and one was unknown (Vegas shooting).
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dotsdfe
08/04/19 4:47:00 AM
#56:


This is just fucking unreal.

There has to be something that we can do about this shit, because that's two major shootings in effectively the same day.

It's just heartbreaking.
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Tired-Insomniac
08/04/19 4:47:02 AM
#57:


So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country
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MaverickXeo
08/04/19 4:48:29 AM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country


As I mentioned, how is the second amendment to blame? That has been in place since the formation of the USA, hasn't it (not a big USA history 'buff)? Mass shootings are a new thing compared to the formation of the USA.
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spikethedevil
08/04/19 4:48:43 AM
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https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html
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Tired-Insomniac
08/04/19 4:50:12 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country


As I mentioned, how is the second amendment to blame? That has been in place since the formation of the USA, hasn't it (not a big USA history 'buff)? Mass shootings are a new thing compared to the formation of the USA.


The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

If we weren't the only developed country on the planet that worships guns we probably wouldn't be the only developed country on the planet where mass shootings happen on a nearly weekly basis.
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MaverickXeo
08/04/19 4:53:10 AM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country


As I mentioned, how is the second amendment to blame? That has been in place since the formation of the USA, hasn't it (not a big USA history 'buff)? Mass shootings are a new thing compared to the formation of the USA.


The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

If we weren't the only developed country on the planet that worships guns we probably wouldn't be the only developed country on the planet where mass shootings happen on a nearly weekly basis.


'Gun worship' has been a thing for decades. Why are mass shootings happening more and more now? Something changed; it has nothing to do with the laws. We need to figure out what is happening - I am certain that mental health care is something that needs more priority, personally. People are more depressed/anxious/etc than before; at least, its more commonly expressed.
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Cheater87
08/04/19 5:24:58 AM
#62:


This country will sadly never do anything it seems.

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TreyFlowers
08/04/19 5:28:06 AM
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America is basically a third world country at this point

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apocalyptic_4
08/04/19 5:30:32 AM
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Was this another white nationalist nazi?
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Sheep007
08/04/19 5:43:44 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country


As I mentioned, how is the second amendment to blame? That has been in place since the formation of the USA, hasn't it (not a big USA history 'buff)? Mass shootings are a new thing compared to the formation of the USA.


The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

If we weren't the only developed country on the planet that worships guns we probably wouldn't be the only developed country on the planet where mass shootings happen on a nearly weekly basis.


'Gun worship' has been a thing for decades. Why are mass shootings happening more and more now? Something changed; it has nothing to do with the laws. We need to figure out what is happening - I am certain that mental health care is something that needs more priority, personally. People are more depressed/anxious/etc than before; at least, its more commonly expressed.

It's because the culture has changed. With stuff like Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech and every subsequent shooting, more and more people are aware that taking a gun, going into a public place and killing half a dozen people will get their 4/8chan/religious/nationalist "manifesto" heard, their name and actions known, and they get to kill the libs or the gays or the infidels or the mexicans or whatever group that particular person thinks is the boogeyman. Mental health issues have also been a thing for decades: it's the culture and ease of radicalisation that leads to things like this. I don't think the second amendment in itself is what caused the shootings, but cutting back on it would definitely lessen the rate of shootings if it made it legitimately difficult to get firearms like this. There's no "good guy with a gun" in these situations, and if there was they'd most likely be shot and killed by police on the scene anyway.
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Sheep007
08/04/19 5:45:50 AM
#66:


apocalyptic_4 posted...
Was this another white nationalist nazi?

It's both ironic and depressing that the white nationalists who used to sarcastically say "wow he's an arab, big shock, religion of peace" are the ones who are presumed the most likely guilty party in these situations now.
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Agnostic420
08/04/19 5:46:49 AM
#67:


Terrible news. I went to sleep to one tragedy and woke up to fucking another.

God fucking dammit.
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CM_Ponch
08/04/19 6:10:00 AM
#68:


Jesus Christ

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UnholyMudcrab
08/04/19 6:13:38 AM
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Error1355
08/04/19 6:21:49 AM
#70:


Fuck this shit.

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KTG2
08/04/19 6:28:35 AM
#71:


My friends and I are frantically calling hospitals because we're fairly certain our coworker got shot.

Just...fucking stop arguing and remember we're talking about human lives. There shouldn't be an argument over how to stop people from getting shot to death at a bar. The answers are obvious.

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Bat178
08/04/19 6:31:02 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
we live in a nightmare country

Fixed.
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Suchomimus
08/04/19 6:32:07 AM
#73:


It's going to get to the point where shootings on this scale won't even make the headlines anymore.

Fuck this.
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Crazyman93
08/04/19 6:40:58 AM
#74:


Tired-Insomniac posted...
The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

1) Strict Gun laws didn't stop the recent shooting in California.
2) Without the second amendment there's really nothing stopping politicians from pulling a Great Britan and stripping your First Amendment right to make stupid internet posts.
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CADE FOSTER
08/04/19 6:42:53 AM
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BlingBling22947
08/04/19 6:43:21 AM
#76:


Another one just like that.

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Kinny100
08/04/19 6:47:31 AM
#77:


Crazyman93 posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

1) Strict Gun laws didn't stop the recent shooting in California.
2) Without the second amendment there's really nothing stopping politicians from pulling a Great Britan and stripping your First Amendment right to make stupid internet posts.


agree with 1

point 2 is moronic
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Crazyman93
08/04/19 6:47:32 AM
#78:


CADE FOSTER posted...
Ban guns tbh we don't need them

While we're at it let's ban free speech, tbh letting people hurt people's feelings is wrong. And tbh we really don't need those rights to a fair trial, just wastes money when we could be fast tracking bad people away.
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Crazyman93
08/04/19 6:49:04 AM
#79:


Kinny100 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

1) Strict Gun laws didn't stop the recent shooting in California.
2) Without the second amendment there's really nothing stopping politicians from pulling a Great Britan and stripping your First Amendment right to make stupid internet posts.


agree with 1

point 2 is moronic

Do you really want to use any amendment to set the precedent that the Bill of Rights is repealable though? That was the ten they realized "wait, we forgot some stuff" and added it on before it ever was signed.
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Doe
08/04/19 6:54:43 AM
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Crazyman93 posted...
Do you really want to use any amendment to set the precedent that the Bill of Rights is repealable though? That was the ten they realized "wait, we forgot some stuff" and added it on before it ever was signed.

It wouldn't have needed to be repealed if the goofy NRA-teat-sucking supreme court wasn't just that, but here we are

Like actually look at the wording of that amendment, it looks like they were drunk at the time.
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Samurontai
08/04/19 6:56:34 AM
#81:


Crazyman93 posted...
While we're at it let's ban free speech, tbh letting people hurt people's feelings is wrong. And tbh we really don't need those rights to a fair trial, just wastes money when we could be fast tracking bad people away.


Youre ignorant if you actually think the second amendment protects us from the government anymore

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tripleh213
08/04/19 6:56:40 AM
#82:


So fucked up
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Crazyman93
08/04/19 7:01:44 AM
#83:


Doe posted...
Like actually look at the wording of that amendment, it looks like they were drunk at the time.

I'm pretty sure "shall not be infringed" is pretty straightforward, and if you have issues understanding it, you should go back to grade school.
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KTG2
08/04/19 7:03:27 AM
#85:


Crazyman93 posted...
I'm pretty sure "shall not be infringed" is pretty straightforward, and if you have issues understanding it, you should go back to grade school.


"My worldview is based on a piece of paper from a couple hundred years ago written by people who didn't know dinosaurs existed, but no, YOU'RE the uneducated one."

Eat shit.

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tullock
08/04/19 7:04:08 AM
#86:


Crazyman93 posted...
Samurontai posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
While we're at it let's ban free speech, tbh letting people hurt people's feelings is wrong. And tbh we really don't need those rights to a fair trial, just wastes money when we could be fast tracking bad people away.


Youre ignorant if you actually think the second amendment protects us from the government anymore

I get it, you're too lazy to defend your rights and will happily bend over and take whatever the Government wants to give you, stop trying so hard please.


Jesus you really are a horrible fucking poster
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Fossil
08/04/19 7:04:09 AM
#87:


Samurontai posted...
Youre ignorant if you actually think the second amendment protects us from the government anymore

You're right. Having zero guns would allow us to karate chop them more efficiently.
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KTG2
08/04/19 7:05:03 AM
#88:


tullock posted...
Jesus you really are a horrible fucking poster


It's okay I'm sure we'll see his incel manifesto after he murders somebodies friends and family soon

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CADE FOSTER
08/04/19 7:05:57 AM
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You think if we all actually did fight against the government we would get obliterated instantly drones and tanks guns aren't gonna do shit
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Dark_Spiret
08/04/19 7:06:35 AM
#90:


KTG2 posted...
"My worldview is based on a piece of paper from a couple hundred years ago written by people who didn't know dinosaurs existed, but no, YOU'RE the uneducated one."

Eat shit.
theres a lot of bullshit in the constitution, but a lot of things that are inherent to human nature and a lot of things that has put the US where it is on the world stage. some things dont go out of style. the the second amendment and a right to protect ones self will always be a thing as long as humanity is a thing.

CADE FOSTER posted...
You think if we all actually did fight against the government we would get obliterated instantly drones and tanks guns aren't gonna do shit
and thats not how a real fight with a superior force goes down, let alone the same citizens being involved with a fight against one another. there is no bombing a foreign force and not having to worry about collateral damage. if something goes down in the US you will have familys fighting each other, you will have military forces ingrained with the insurgent populations and you will have a high volume of cities and potential collateral damage that would mean nothing afterwards. in that environment tanks and drones dont mean much and boots on the ground is what wins. in that regard US citizens are allowed to own almost everything a standard soldier uses and if it gets to that the NFA goes out the window which means explosives, suppressors, short barreled rifles, full autos ect. i dont think most really realize what the US population has access to with the only things really keeping them in check being a few lines on a piece of paper.
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Sheep007
08/04/19 7:07:45 AM
#91:


CADE FOSTER posted...
You think if we all actually did fight against the government we would get obliterated instantly drones and tanks guns aren't gonna do shit

The main way guns protect against the government is that they stop the government taking guns away.
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Frosted_Midna
08/04/19 7:08:36 AM
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How many shootings do we need until something happens?
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CADE FOSTER
08/04/19 7:10:28 AM
#93:


Frosted_Midna posted...
How many shootings do we need until something happens?

Literally the last american will have to die nothing will ever be done about it
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LostSeason7
08/04/19 7:17:39 AM
#94:


Frosted_Midna posted...
How many shootings do we need until something happens?


Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Nothing is going to change.
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Error1355
08/04/19 7:22:55 AM
#95:


LostSeason7 posted...
Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Nothing is going to change.
Yep, if we don't actually do anything when a literal elementary school gets shot up, shit's fucked.

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Funkydog
08/04/19 7:27:56 AM
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Error1355 posted...
LostSeason7 posted...
Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Nothing is going to change.
Yep, if we don't actually do anything when a literal elementary school gets shot up, shit's fucked.

Pretty much. America has long since decided the lives of innocent children are an acceptable price for politicians to get the NRA's lobbying money.
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The_Scarecrow
08/04/19 7:38:33 AM
#97:


Holy shit, this is 10 minutes away from me. I have to text some people and make sure they are safe.
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yemmy
08/04/19 7:39:58 AM
#98:


SH_expert44 posted...
They are really nice guns.


Lol at a mini being a really nice gun. Until 2006 they shot like 5 MOA. A decent AR-15 outclasses the best mini by a mile.

AR's can be cheaper because it is easier to forge aluminum than to machine wood and hand fit. Also the fact that we've been making a ton them for 50+ years for the military (and civilians)would mean we've figured out manufacturing efficiency.

Also not all Minis are made out of wood. The reason the Mini didn't get banned during the Clinton AWB was that Bill Ruger was a fudd piece of shit and sold his soul to the feds for that compromise.

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__Fiale__
08/04/19 7:48:28 AM
#99:


pau posted...
this is why i carry


This is what's wrong with America.
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MrToothHasYou
08/04/19 7:52:52 AM
#100:


Error1355 posted...
LostSeason7 posted...
Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Nothing is going to change.
Yep, if we don't actually do anything when a literal elementary school gets shot up, shit's fucked.

Saw this on Twitter and it pretty much nails it:

FJ3N4Wd
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clearaflagrantj
08/04/19 8:06:53 AM
#102:


Crazyman93 posted...
Doe posted...
Like actually look at the wording of that amendment, it looks like they were drunk at the time.

I'm pretty sure "shall not be infringed" is pretty straightforward, and if you have issues understanding it, you should go back to grade school.

The constitution was meant to be torn up and rewritten every 19 years as the founding fathers did not want us to idolize the government like we do today.
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M0NSTER_
08/04/19 8:24:14 AM
#103:


MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Tired-Insomniac posted...
So...three mass shootings in a week, two within less than 24 hours.

The second amendment is becoming one of the worst things to ever happen to this country


As I mentioned, how is the second amendment to blame? That has been in place since the formation of the USA, hasn't it (not a big USA history 'buff)? Mass shootings are a new thing compared to the formation of the USA.


The number one argument to gun control is "muh second amendment rights!"

If we weren't the only developed country on the planet that worships guns we probably wouldn't be the only developed country on the planet where mass shootings happen on a nearly weekly basis.


'Gun worship' has been a thing for decades. Why are mass shootings happening more and more now? Something changed; it has nothing to do with the laws. We need to figure out what is happening - I am certain that mental health care is something that needs more priority, personally. People are more depressed/anxious/etc than before; at least, its more commonly expressed.


The thing that has changed is social media and the way these stories are presented to the world.
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