Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 232: Jay Inslee Is Too Pure For This World

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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158706058724040704?s=21

....in 2020. Lou Dobbs stated that this is a fraud on the American public. @peterschweizer stated with certainty that they suppressed negative stories on Hillary Clinton, and boosted negative stories on Donald Ttump. All very illegal. We are watching Google very closely!

Would that ACTUALLY be illegal even if true?

Not sure. I would assume it would maybe fall under a illegal contribution? What is the monetary value of that? Who knows. Pointless to care tho.

Why do you say pointless to care?

Cuz it's over with.
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Trump threatening them kinda makes it not over with?
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You can search Twitter using the search box below or return to the homepage.

I thought he wasn't supposed to delete tweets?
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Still there for me

But if he does erase it and repost it, its probably because he typoed his own name
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Peter Strzok is suing the DoJ and FBI over his firing, saying that they violated his 1st and 5th Amendment rights and fired him due to political pressure:
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1158811740546711552

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/06/us/gilroy-festival-shooting/index.html
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https://twitter.com/mikegravel/status/1158766689082925057?s=21

condolences to cyclo

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The reason why there are so many shootings in America isn't really mental health, video games, or guns.

It is the divide in our nation. Everyone views things so black and white. It is perpetuated and seized upon by the media for viewership, and it is created by our 2 party system and deepening divide between political parties.

Everything is so divided and competing. We haven't been United as a country since 9/11 arguably and the few years following it.

We don't care about issues so much as we care about doing the opposite of the other side.

That is the problem of America.

You look in these topics and every single last thing is basically criticized by your President. You go to right forums and the same about Obama. It literally doesn't even matter what it is anymore or reasonings.

The problem with America is that. It is only apt that Russia was caught trying to deepen this divide with their mettling. We focus too much on how they were helping a side in America or so on, when the answer is that the only side Russia was trying to help was their own side. Weakening us from within.
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No, the problem is the guns. If you don't have the guns, you don't have the mass shootings. Being politically divided is not unique to us among developed countries.
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red13n posted...

No, the problem is the guns. If you don't have the guns, you don't have the mass shootings. Being politically divided is not unique to us among developed countries.

Plus political divisions dont explain things like Sandy Hook.
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red13n posted...

No, the problem is the guns. If you don't have the guns, you don't have the mass shootings. Being politically divided is not unique to us among developed countries.

Tons of countries have guns. They don't have these issues. In fact, there is relatively zero correlation between gun numbers and mass shootings.
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Espeon posted...

red13n posted...

No, the problem is the guns. If you don't have the guns, you don't have the mass shootings. Being politically divided is not unique to us among developed countries.

Plus political divisions dont explain things like Sandy Hook.

one of the recent shootings wasn't even politically motivated(Ohio seems like it was just crazy idiot with access to a gun).
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Corrik7 posted...

Tons of countries have guns. They don't have these issues.

False. Just outright false.
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And by false I mean immediately. There is no country with "tons of guns" like the United States. We are literally the only country in the world close to our level of guns in the populace.
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Corrik7 posted...

Tons of countries have guns. They don't have these issues. In fact, there is relatively zero correlation between gun numbers and mass shootings.

Totally false. Look at this plot of gun deaths per capita vs guns per capita:

https://www.vox.com/podcasts/2019/8/5/20754966/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-gun-violence

At minimum, theres a very strong correlation.

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Let's go by this due to no one going to have real numbers.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/guns-dont-know-how-many-america/index.html

"According to the 2017 Pew study, 30% of Americans own guns themselves (12 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). For Gallup, it was 29% (13 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). The GSS pegs it even lower -- only 21% of Americans said they personally own guns (11 points lower than the 32% who live in households with guns).
Both the GSS and Pew surveys find that it's women who are more likely to be the people who don't personally own guns but live in households with weapons."

http://factmyth.com/factoids/gun-ownership-is-relatively-high-in-switzerland/

In Switzerland, it is estimated that about 25-30% of citizens own a gun, more own hunting weapons (which dont require registration) or own unregistered old army weapons. "
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Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.
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Corrik7 posted...

Let's go by this due to no one going to have real numbers.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/guns-dont-know-how-many-america/index.html

"According to the 2017 Pew study, 30% of Americans own guns themselves (12 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). For Gallup, it was 29% (13 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). The GSS pegs it even lower -- only 21% of Americans said they personally own guns (11 points lower than the 32% who live in households with guns).
Both the GSS and Pew surveys find that it's women who are more likely to be the people who don't personally own guns but live in households with weapons."

http://factmyth.com/factoids/gun-ownership-is-relatively-high-in-switzerland/

In Switzerland, it is estimated that about 25-30% of citizens own a gun, more own hunting weapons (which dont require registration) or own unregistered old army weapons. "

no, we have real numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
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red sox 777 posted...

Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.

I didn't say they were politically motivated. 2 out of the last 3 over the past week seem not to have been.

However, I said the divide in society that is wedged from politics is what creates a divide between people and competing views. A black and white view which leads to nonstop arguing back and forth, hostility, and divide.
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red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Let's go by this due to no one going to have real numbers.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/guns-dont-know-how-many-america/index.html

"According to the 2017 Pew study, 30% of Americans own guns themselves (12 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). For Gallup, it was 29% (13 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). The GSS pegs it even lower -- only 21% of Americans said they personally own guns (11 points lower than the 32% who live in households with guns).
Both the GSS and Pew surveys find that it's women who are more likely to be the people who don't personally own guns but live in households with weapons."

http://factmyth.com/factoids/gun-ownership-is-relatively-high-in-switzerland/

In Switzerland, it is estimated that about 25-30% of citizens own a gun, more own hunting weapons (which dont require registration) or own unregistered old army weapons. "

no, we have real numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

Yeah, that is not what I linked. Thanks. I linked percentage that owns the guns. Not how many guns exist. A guy having 300 guns and a guy having 10 guns doesn't matter. It is 1 person with guns.
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No, you know what causes mass shootings? Guns capable of causing mass shootings.

And we are the only country in the world that has enough guns to shoot everyone once with each weapon and still have guns leftover. We don't even need all the ammunition wehave on top of that. Just 1 bullet per gun and everyone is shot.
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What if we had a constitutional amendment to make the 2nd Amendment not apply to the states, the way it was originally?

My understanding is that places like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, etc. are quite similar to Switzerland in gun ownership, population density, and safety. And other places like Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. are extremely dangerous. Can we make it so that blue states can go ahead and ban guns?
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Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, that is not what I linked. Thanks. I linked percentage that owns the guns. Not how many guns exist. A guy having 300 guns and a guy having 10 guns doesn't matter. It is 1 person with guns.

So there are houses with fucking arsenals in them. How many of these shooters carry more than 1 gun? A fucking ton of them. It is again, the access to these weapons that is a problem.
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red13n posted...

No, you know what causes mass shootings? Guns capable of causing mass shootings.

And we are the only country in the world that has enough guns to shoot everyone once with each weapon and still have guns leftover. We don't even need all the ammunition wehave on top of that. Just 1 bullet per gun and everyone is shot.

Again. Where is the correlation. 30% of Switzerland have guns. 30% of America has guns.

Why doesn't Switzerland have a proportionate amount of mass shootings and/or gun violence?

You are acting like a guy having 500 guns and a guy having 5 guns matters.
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red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, that is not what I linked. Thanks. I linked percentage that owns the guns. Not how many guns exist. A guy having 300 guns and a guy having 10 guns doesn't matter. It is 1 person with guns.

So there are houses with fucking arsenals in them. How many of these shooters carry more than 1 gun? A fucking ton of them. It is again, the access to these weapons that is a problem.

Where is the correlation?
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Corrik7 posted...

red13n posted...

No, you know what causes mass shootings? Guns capable of causing mass shootings.

And we are the only country in the world that has enough guns to shoot everyone once with each weapon and still have guns leftover. We don't even need all the ammunition wehave on top of that. Just 1 bullet per gun and everyone is shot.

Again. Where is the correlation. 30% of Switzerland have guns. 30% of America has guns.

Why doesn't Switzerland have a proportionate amount of mass shootings and/or gun violence?

You are acting like a guy having 500 guns and a guy having 5 guns matters.

A person with a greater number of guns is more likely to be able to use those multiple guns for multiple murders, yes.
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Corrik7 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.

I didn't say they were politically motivated. 2 out of the last 3 over the past week seem not to have been.

However, I said the divide in society that is wedged from politics is what creates a divide between people and competing views. A black and white view which leads to nonstop arguing back and forth, hostility, and divide.

I think the disease in our culture goes deeper than that. The current trend of mass shootings started in the late 90s, around when Bush II ran on being a "uniter" and President Clinton worked with Republicans to pass the greatest round of financial deregulation in history.
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Corrik is correct. A guy with 500 guns can't cause 500 times as many deaths. He can't operate more than 1 or 2 guns at a time.
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Corrik7 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.

I didn't say they were politically motivated. 2 out of the last 3 over the past week seem not to have been.

However, I said the divide in society that is wedged from politics is what creates a divide between people and competing views. A black and white view which leads to nonstop arguing back and forth, hostility, and divide.

So again, Roger Ailes is the one responsible for the downfall of America
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I wish there was a stat that took out people who only own a pistol or hunting/competition rifle. Those never seem to be the shooters.

What kind of guns/how many do people in Switzerland tend to have? Anyone know?
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Corrik7 posted...

red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, that is not what I linked. Thanks. I linked percentage that owns the guns. Not how many guns exist. A guy having 300 guns and a guy having 10 guns doesn't matter. It is 1 person with guns.

So there are houses with fucking arsenals in them. How many of these shooters carry more than 1 gun? A fucking ton of them. It is again, the access to these weapons that is a problem.

Where is the correlation?

the fucking correlation is that we are the only developed country with near our level of guns and near our level of mass shooting. We are the outlier on both.

Switzerland has a fuckton of guns due to required military service and training and keeps records of where all their fucking guns are at any times, not to mention far stricter requirements in able to be able to purchase weapons. And again, they have a gun for 1 of every 4 citizens, the US has basically has a gun for every 8th of a citizen. It is incomparable.
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red sox 777 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.

I didn't say they were politically motivated. 2 out of the last 3 over the past week seem not to have been.

However, I said the divide in society that is wedged from politics is what creates a divide between people and competing views. A black and white view which leads to nonstop arguing back and forth, hostility, and divide.

I think the disease in our culture goes deeper than that. The current trend of mass shootings started in the late 90s, around when Bush II ran on being a "uniter" and President Clinton worked with Republicans to pass the greatest round of financial deregulation in history.

It's divide and media. I mean, before Virginia Tech the number of mass shootings was relatively minimal. Colombine was a shock and united everyone together. With the rise of the media, unregulated ability to spread views (forums, YouTube/Facebook/etc, and plethora of unregulated media), the divide politically has spread more and more and more.
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Maniac64 posted...

I wish there was a stat that took out people who only own a pistol or hunting/competition rifle. Those never seem to be the shooters.

What kind of guns/how many do people in Switzerland tend to have? Anyone know?

From what I understand, lots of military-grade guns (people can keep them after mandatory their military service). Switzerland also has their bridges, roads, etc. on their borders set to blow up on command if they are ever invaded. They combine the twin policies of having a very serious military with absolute neutrality (meaning no alliances and no enemies), which has kept them at peace for over 200 years.
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red sox 777 posted...

Corrik is correct. A guy with 500 guns can't cause 500 times as many deaths. He can't operate more than 1 or 2 guns at a time.

Can he be 500 times as likely to decide to shoot someone with them?

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red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, that is not what I linked. Thanks. I linked percentage that owns the guns. Not how many guns exist. A guy having 300 guns and a guy having 10 guns doesn't matter. It is 1 person with guns.

So there are houses with fucking arsenals in them. How many of these shooters carry more than 1 gun? A fucking ton of them. It is again, the access to these weapons that is a problem.

Where is the correlation?

the fucking correlation is that we are the only developed country with near our level of guns and near our level of mass shooting. We are the outlier on both.

Switzerland has a fuckton of guns due to required military service and training and keeps records of where all their fucking guns are at any times, not to mention far stricter requirements in able to be able to purchase weapons. And again, they have a gun for 1 of every 4 citizens, the US has basically has a gun for every 8th of a citizen. It is incomparable.

You have no correlation. I am again asking for where it is.

If you don't have one just say, I cannot provide one because one doesn't exist. You are saying the number of guns is the reason for more mass shootings when we can show you that Switzerland has way more guns than say New Zealand, yet New Zealand has more mass shootings (guessing).
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LordoftheMorons posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Corrik is correct. A guy with 500 guns can't cause 500 times as many deaths. He can't operate more than 1 or 2 guns at a time.

Can he be 500 times as likely to decide to shoot someone with them?

Interesting question. I'd say yes, based on intuition. Someone who wants to own 500 guns has something of an obsession.....
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Attn morons citing Switzerland as "more guns is ok"

https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2

Now quit citing it lest you continue to look like morons.
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Corrik7 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Very few of our mass shootings are politically motivated.

I didn't say they were politically motivated. 2 out of the last 3 over the past week seem not to have been.

However, I said the divide in society that is wedged from politics is what creates a divide between people and competing views. A black and white view which leads to nonstop arguing back and forth, hostility, and divide.

I think the disease in our culture goes deeper than that. The current trend of mass shootings started in the late 90s, around when Bush II ran on being a "uniter" and President Clinton worked with Republicans to pass the greatest round of financial deregulation in history.

It's divide and media. I mean, before Virginia Tech the number of mass shootings was relatively minimal. Colombine was a shock and united everyone together. With the rise of the media, unregulated ability to spread views (forums, YouTube/Facebook/etc, and plethora of unregulated media), the divide politically has spread more and more and more.

I think a lot of it is we no longer have a national enemy that inspires fear and gives us focus. We really need the Soviet Union back, honestly.
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Going by the Wikipedia article, the relative percentage of unregistered firearms is much higher in the US than anywhere. Is there a reason for that?

Firearms in the US do have to be registered, correct? (I don't know really anything about gun laws themselves but would be very concerned if this were not the case)
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red sox 777 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Corrik is correct. A guy with 500 guns can't cause 500 times as many deaths. He can't operate more than 1 or 2 guns at a time.

Can he be 500 times as likely to decide to shoot someone with them?

Interesting question. I'd say yes, based on intuition. Someone who wants to own 500 guns has something of an obsession.....

Likely a gun collector at that point. Doubt it increases likelihood to commit murder.

Many who are committing these murders are ordering guns prior to doing it also.
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Corrik7 posted...

Again. Where is the correlation. 30% of Switzerland have guns. 30% of America has guns.

Why doesn't Switzerland have a proportionate amount of mass shootings and/or gun violence?

You are acting like a guy having 500 guns and a guy having 5 guns matters.

I live in Switzerland. There are a lot of guns around because every man who completes military service is allowed to keep their service weapon.

They are not allowed to keep ammunition.

Guns are everywhere, but bullets are essentially illegal and incredibly highly regulated. To compare gun violence in Switzerland and the US is ignorant and disingenuous at best.

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pyresword posted...

Going by the Wikipedia article, the relative percentage of unregistered firearms is much higher in the US than anywhere. Is there a reason for that?

Firearms in the US do have to be registered, correct? (I don't know really anything about gun laws themselves but would be very concerned if this were not the case)

Idk. I would estimate a lot of guns cross our borders that we are unaware of.
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pyresword posted...

Going by the Wikipedia article, the relative percentage of unregistered firearms is much higher in the US than anywhere. Is there a reason for that?

Firearms in the US do have to be registered, correct? (I don't know really anything about gun laws themselves but would be very concerned if this were not the case)

Theres no national gun registry in the US and only some states require registration.

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Giggsalot posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Again. Where is the correlation. 30% of Switzerland have guns. 30% of America has guns.

Why doesn't Switzerland have a proportionate amount of mass shootings and/or gun violence?

You are acting like a guy having 500 guns and a guy having 5 guns matters.

I live in Switzerland. There are a lot of guns around because every man who completes military service is allowed to keep their service weapon.

They are not allowed to keep ammunition.

Guns are everywhere, but bullets are essentially illegal and incredibly highly regulated. To compare gun violence in Switzerland and the US is ignorant and disingenuous at best.

No, it is relevant. Because the guns aren't the issue. I argued an idea for regulation on guns that was similar to that you have with your ammunition with guns itself.

I believe you keep ammo relatively at gun ranges and government stockpiles. I offered a similar idea for guns in America and was laughed off.

In fact, they thought it was a better idea that all cops and military were stripped of guns and civilian population could keep them in limited numbers.

Talk about craziness.

The thing is. The problem is not Gun Numbers in regards to gun violence. It is Gun Laws.

The propensity to commit a mass shooting though is based on divide. Not gun numbers also.
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A national registry has in fact been deemed illegal because we are fucking insane when it comes to guns.
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Corrik7 posted...

The propensity to commit a mass shooting though is based on divide. Not gun numbers also.

no, the propensity is caused by the ability to easily access guns. You remove the guns you remove the mass shootings.

Other countries have similar levels of violence, its just their criminals are limited to pulling out knives and then good luck killing 30 people with a knife. A gun you can shoot 20 people in less than 30 seconds as we've seen recently.
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...oh.

What a stupid mode of operation that is holy fuck.
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red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

The propensity to commit a mass shooting though is based on divide. Not gun numbers also.

no, the propensity is caused by the ability to easily access guns. You remove the guns you remove the mass shootings.

Other countries have similar levels of violence, its just their criminals are limited to pulling out knives and then good luck killing 30 people with a knife. A gun you can shoot 20 people in less than 30 seconds as we've seen recently.

Do you have knife numbers to back this up?
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Holy shit this is hilarious. Corrik literally telling a Swiss national that he doesnt understand his own country, rather than admit hes making a stupid argument.
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Espeon posted...

Holy shit this is hilarious. Corrik literally telling a Swiss national that he doesnt understand his own country, rather than admit hes making a stupid argument.

Yeah, that never happened.
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