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NinjaBreakfast 07/28/19 6:14:34 PM #1:	80/80 In an industry full to the brim with big franchises and endless online analysis and break downs it feels like so many films are built around fueling such discussions and relying on big reveals or twists or callbacks in place of actually interesting filmmaking. Audiences also just want to chat shit and feel part of this and feel smart when something they thought of or even just read elsewhere comes true. I think overly spoilery trailers of a symptom of this too Not good imho!!! --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:925305861] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>80/80 In an industry full to the brim with big franchises and endless online analysis and break downs it feels like so many films are built around fueling such discussions and relying on big reveals or twists or callbacks in place of actually interesting filmmaking. Audiences also just want to chat shit and feel part of this and feel smart when something they thought of or even just read elsewhere comes true. I think overly spoilery trailers of a symptom of this too Not good imho!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
De Evolution 07/28/19 6:15:25 PM #2:	Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories". --- Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind. <cite>De Evolution posted [p:925305895] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 07/28/19 6:17:32 PM #3:	De Evolution posted... Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories". you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:925305963] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>De Evolution posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories".</quote> you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
De Evolution 07/28/19 6:19:17 PM #4:	NinjaBreakfast posted... De Evolution posted... Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories". you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories i'm not a holocaust denier you are a bootlicker and an internet troll --- Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind. <cite>De Evolution posted [p:925306028] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>De Evolution posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories".</quote> you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories</quote> i'm not a holocaust denier you are a bootlicker and an internet troll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/28/19 6:20:55 PM #5:	NinjaBreakfast posted... you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories Well that escalated quickly. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925306074] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>NinjaBreakfast posted... </cite> <quote> you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories</quote>Well that escalated quickly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 07/28/19 6:22:53 PM #6:	Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:925306134] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Parappa09 07/28/19 6:24:00 PM #7:	NinjaBreakfast posted... De Evolution posted... Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories". you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories lmao --- http://error1355.com/ce/Parappa09.html <cite>Parappa09 posted [p:925306174] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>De Evolution posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Some movies just suck and have nothing to do with "theories".</quote> you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/28/19 6:30:40 PM #8:	yeah there's way too much emphasis placed on knowing what happens in a story. it cheapens discussion and it also seems weird to me that the term "spoiler" implies that it ruins people's enjoyment of a story, when that has been shown to not be the case. like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:925306432] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>yeah there's way too much emphasis placed on knowing what happens in a story. it cheapens discussion and it also seems weird to me that the term "spoiler" implies that it ruins people's enjoyment of a story, when that has been shown to not be the case. like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 07/28/19 6:49:31 PM #9:	averagejoel posted... like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books? Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:925307072] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books?</quote> Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/28/19 6:52:45 PM #10:	YouTube thumbnail in recommended videos: 10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (main character)'S DEATH!! --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:925307194] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>YouTube thumbnail in recommended videos: 10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (main character)'S DEATH!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 07/28/19 6:55:21 PM #11:	No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry. --- https://imgur.com/u1RsBbo <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:925307286] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 07/28/19 7:06:27 PM #12:	Tyranthraxus posted... YouTube thumbnail in recommended videos: 10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (main character)'S DEATH!! YouTube is the worst for spoilers especially the shitty YouTubers that have spoil ridden titles and obnoxious thumbnails. I immediately click "not intrested" on the bottom right so I dont see any spoilers from those vids. --- XBL: Mrpicardbottoms <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:925307672] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>YouTube thumbnail in recommended videos: 10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (main character)'S DEATH!!</quote> YouTube is the worst for spoilers especially the shitty YouTubers that have spoil ridden titles and obnoxious thumbnails. I immediately click "not intrested" on the bottom right so I dont see any spoilers from those vids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MagnusDJL 07/28/19 7:08:56 PM #13:	Fan theory stuff I don't think is an issue. Spoiler culture can suck it though. <cite>MagnusDJL posted [p:925307781] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Fan theory stuff I don't think is an issue. Spoiler culture can suck it though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/28/19 7:09:37 PM #14:	loafy013 posted... averagejoel posted... like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books? Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back. but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:925307799] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books?</quote> Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back.</quote> but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 07/28/19 7:20:48 PM #15:	averagejoel posted... loafy013 posted... averagejoel posted... like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books? Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back. but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience It all depends on what happens. Like in a mystery, finding out who the killer is isn't always a dealbreaker. But if it turns out the main character was an unreliable narrator and they were the killer all along? You are going to see the movie differently once you have that knowledge. So having it spoiled before watching it, you only get to see version B, while version A is something that you will never know. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:925308178] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books?</quote> Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back.</quote> but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience</quote> It all depends on what happens. Like in a mystery, finding out who the killer is isn't always a dealbreaker. But if it turns out the main character was an unreliable narrator and they were the killer all along? You are going to see the movie differently once you have that knowledge. So having it spoiled before watching it, you only get to see version B, while version A is something that you will never know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 07/28/19 7:23:46 PM #16:	Zack_Attackv1 posted... No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry. which one ? --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:925308285] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Zack_Attackv1 posted...</cite> <quote>No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry.</quote> which one ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
De Evolution 07/28/19 7:54:05 PM #17:	Zack_Attackv1 posted... No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry. --- Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind. <cite>De Evolution posted [p:925309388] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Zack_Attackv1 posted...</cite> <quote>No. The movie industry has negatively impacted the movie industry.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/28/19 8:01:11 PM #18:	Theorycrafting to an excessive degree has definitely really soured things. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:925309635] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Theorycrafting to an excessive degree has definitely really soured things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 07/28/19 8:02:56 PM #19:	MrNintendo1213 posted... Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end. "In a world..." --- "Tried to point my finger, but the wind was blowing me around in circles, circles." <cite>EverDownward posted [p:925309702] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>MrNintendo1213 posted...</cite> <quote>Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end.</quote> "In a world..."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 07/29/19 11:55:15 AM #20:	Do people still watch westworld? That whole show seemed to be built around instigating fan theories until it had nothing left to offer. And to what end? "gee whiz I called this ending...now what " Also partly why twin peaks and s3 in particular is so good: allowed fans to pick apart things and references but everything was so esoteric and unpredictable so as to make it worthless from a plotting/spoiler pov --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:925333512] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Do people still watch westworld? That whole show seemed to be built around instigating fan theories until it had nothing left to offer. And to what end? "gee whiz I called this ending...now what " Also partly why twin peaks and s3 in particular is so good: allowed fans to pick apart things and references but everything was so esoteric and unpredictable so as to make it worthless from a plotting/spoiler pov</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 07/29/19 12:00:50 PM #21:	I'm almost positive fan theories are a sign of strong viewer attachment to the product and thus usually indicative of financial success. I'm almost positive the movie industry is stoked if their movie is generating a large amount of fan theory speculation because it's almost a guarantee it will bring in a lot of box office revenue. Thus, it is probably boon to the movie industry. --- It feels like they're pretending. It's like they just want blowjobs and they know these songs will get them http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:925333696] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>I'm almost positive fan theories are a sign of strong viewer attachment to the product and thus usually indicative of financial success. I'm almost positive the movie industry is stoked if their movie is generating a large amount of fan theory speculation because it's almost a guarantee it will bring in a lot of box office revenue. Thus, it is probably boon to the movie industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 07/29/19 12:03:57 PM #22:	I mean it's pretty obvious what context I'm deploying 'negatively impact' in the title but even within that bit of pedantry it is probably true that the industry is less fond of the extreme end of it thats been experienced with star wars, game of thrones etc --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:925333833] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>I mean it's pretty obvious what context I'm deploying 'negatively impact' in the title but even within that bit of pedantry it is probably true that the industry is less fond of the extreme end of it thats been experienced with star wars, game of thrones etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 07/29/19 12:09:45 PM #23:	Solid Sonic posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories Well that escalated quickly. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IR4XrBA.gif https://i.imgtc.com/7X1rBRv.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:925334059] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>NinjaBreakfast posted... </cite> <quote> you are a holocaust denier so I bow to your knowledge of crackpot theories</quote>Well that escalated quickly. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/29/19 12:13:32 PM #24:	The first time I personally noticed this was the end of the Harry Potter book series. Kind of started in the long wait between books 4 and 5 but really ramped up after that. It felt like Rowling really took pains in the last two books to both satisfy fan expectations but also subvert them, and the actual narrative and characters took a back seat to that (imho of course) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:925334182] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>The first time I personally noticed this was the end of the Harry Potter book series. Kind of started in the long wait between books 4 and 5 but really ramped up after that. It felt like Rowling really took pains in the last two books to both satisfy fan expectations but also subvert them, and the actual narrative and characters took a back seat to that (imho of course)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/29/19 12:16:34 PM #25:	EverDownward posted... MrNintendo1213 posted... Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end. "In a world..." Before Peter Cullen and Don LaFontaine, trailers really were the whole movie in three or four minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-0dTpzNzwo" data-time=" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:925334313] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>MrNintendo1213 posted...</cite> <quote>Trailers have always spoiled things. The super old trailers would literally just tell you the plot of the whole movie. Like not just a 1 second clip of what happens, it would explain the premise, and the consequences, and how it wrapped up in the end.</quote> "In a world..."</quote> Before Peter Cullen and Don LaFontaine, trailers really were the whole movie in three or four minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-0dTpzNzwo" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/29/19 12:30:04 PM #26:	Yes and no. The worst part is when studios or directors get cold feet after an ending is guessed by a fan, and then feel the need to alter the outcome of the movie to keep it "unpredictable". And spoiler culture is definitely a massive force today compared to the start of the decade, even. With that being said, the internet has unfortunately necessitated a culture shift in regards to spoilers. One person can game the system and get lucky enough to spoil the ending of a movie for hundreds of thousands of people. Fan enclaves who get together and theorise have absolutely taken the fun out of the moviegoing experience, because if they're right, they get to jerk themselves off and call something "bad" because of it. And if they're wrong, the creative team behind it was "creatively bankrupt", or they "missed an opportunity", or they're bad for refusing to listen to the fans. But even then, it can be fun to get together and talk shit with your friends. The issue is how widespread it is to be a faux-intellectual knob, and how fans and studios can keep larger tabs on each other than ever before. But they're not the only reasons. Producers, financiers, focus testing and all manner of other shit has been interfering with cinema for decades, now. --- Now Playing: Yakuza 5, Mass Effect 3, Night in the Woods, Skyrim, Minecraft <cite>MrMallard posted [p:925334834] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>Yes and no. The worst part is when studios or directors get cold feet after an ending is guessed by a fan, and then feel the need to alter the outcome of the movie to keep it "unpredictable". And spoiler culture is definitely a massive force today compared to the start of the decade, even. With that being said, the internet has unfortunately necessitated a culture shift in regards to spoilers. One person can game the system and get lucky enough to spoil the ending of a movie for hundreds of thousands of people. Fan enclaves who get together and theorise have absolutely taken the fun out of the moviegoing experience, because if they're right, they get to jerk themselves off and call something "bad" because of it. And if they're wrong, the creative team behind it was "creatively bankrupt", or they "missed an opportunity", or they're bad for refusing to listen to the fans. But even then, it can be fun to get together and talk shit with your friends. The issue is how widespread it is to be a faux-intellectual knob, and how fans and studios can keep larger tabs on each other than ever before. But they're not the only reasons. Producers, financiers, focus testing and all manner of other shit has been interfering with cinema for decades, now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/29/19 12:38:56 PM #27:	loafy013 posted... averagejoel posted... loafy013 posted... averagejoel posted... like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books? Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back. but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience It all depends on what happens. Like in a mystery, finding out who the killer is isn't always a dealbreaker. But if it turns out the main character was an unreliable narrator and they were the killer all along? You are going to see the movie differently once you have that knowledge. So having it spoiled before watching it, you only get to see version B, while version A is something that you will never know. knowing that premise makes it easier to focus on the actual storytelling. as in, the things that might not have actually been done by someone 400 years ago --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:925335124] in Fan theory... [t:77896962]...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>like do people... never re-watch movies or reread books?</quote> Yes, but it is a different experience. You can only go in blind once, and having that ruined is something that can never be taken back.</quote> but knowing what happens does not ruin the experience</quote> It all depends on what happens. Like in a mystery, finding out who the killer is isn't always a dealbreaker. But if it turns out the main character was an unreliable narrator and they were the killer all along? You are going to see the movie differently once you have that knowledge. So having it spoiled before watching it, you only get to see version B, while version A is something that you will never know.</quote> knowing that premise makes it easier to focus on the actual storytelling. as in, the things that might not have actually been done by someone 400 years ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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