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XIII_rocks
09/01/19 3:05:39 PM
#452:


Sounds like a you problem then, really

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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:06:35 PM
#453:


XIII_rocks posted...
Sounds like a you problem then, really


I mean yeah? Everything boils down to a "you" problem. That's what your individual tastes are.
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XIII_rocks
09/01/19 3:09:46 PM
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scarletspeed7
09/01/19 3:11:19 PM
#455:


TheRock1525 posted...
I'm pessimistic because I very much dislike Cody and the Bucks and 90% of my interest is Moxley related.

Then all of your opinions on who the champion are remain unnecessary since those guys are two of functionally four fixtures of the weekly show by what we've seen so far. Who cares what your opinion is of a champion at that point? You're not the audience anymore.
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:21:10 PM
#456:


Who cares what any person's opinion on anything is? This is the All Purpose Wrestling Topic created for discussing all things wrestling. Don't want to see my opinion on wrestling in a wrestling topic, there's an ignore and block button.
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:22:53 PM
#457:


And not unlike anything wrestling related, you can be fans of individual wrestlers, too. I fucking love Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose so of course I'm gonna follow his career where it goes.
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iiicon
09/01/19 3:25:17 PM
#458:


The title match should've been between Omega and either PAC or Mox, but it wasn't, so it is what it is. They obviously see more value in telling the story of Omega reclaiming his status as the best bout machine and the best wrestler in the world over the long term through TV and PPVs, and they're setting up PAC and Mox as guys who are a little bit ahead of him on the pecking order right now. It's not the way I would've done things, especially for a company like AEW who are courting people that want to see the best wrestler, or at least one of the best wrestlers, putting out MOTY candidates at the top of the card. But they'll get there I guess.

Jericho absolutely should've won the title match as it was constructed. Page beating Jericho wouldn't have made Page, he's just not that over to their crowd. Not yet anyway. It just would've been a guy they're mild about going over one of the best wrestlers ever, a guy they're still hot to see as his career winds down. Neither Page nor Jericho are going to tear the house down, but as least Jericho is a guy people will be excited to see.

AEW presenting itself as an alternative is more than about who is at the very top of the card. They've been up front about presenting a variety of high quality matches in a number of different styles. They don't really have the same problem of upward mobility as WWE because Jericho is clearly not a long-term champion guy, they're using him to get other people over but initially presenting him as a credible threat that people want to see.
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:28:11 PM
#459:


I mean Omega is an executive, too, so there's kinda inherit danger in him pulling a HHH and putting title on himself.

I do like PAC over Omega for long term booking, especially if PAC is signed because he's a great long term heel option for them.
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scarletspeed7
09/01/19 3:30:51 PM
#460:


TheRock1525 posted...
Who cares what any person's opinion on anything is? This is the All Purpose Wrestling Topic created for discussing all things wrestling. Don't want to see my opinion on wrestling in a wrestling topic, there's an ignore and block button.

Why post an opinion without expecting responses? The discussion trended towards how your entire perception of this company is colored by your views of three of its most integral leaders. I responded. And, much like you've done for the last several months in these topics, you've loudly and notoriously stuck your fingers in your ears and begged us to ignore you. It's been an aggressive and militant point of view about wrestling rather than a good-natured and social position. Why go off on an aggressive tangent about what opinions are?

TheRock1525 posted...
And not unlike anything wrestling related, you can be fans of individual wrestlers, too. I fucking love Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose so of course I'm gonna follow his career where it goes.

Maybe that's not healthy if you dislike everything else about the star-level scene and the booking. I love AJ Styles, but I'm not going to watch WWE's main shows unless there are integral changes to how it is presented.
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iiicon
09/01/19 3:33:45 PM
#461:


they're gonna be booking themselves into a corner if kenny omega, possibly the main reason the company exists and why people are excited for it, isn't allowed to be the champion

wrestlers before and after hhh have had influence on the creative side of the company and the results weren't always disastrous. it's not really a great comparison between the two
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:43:06 PM
#462:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Why post an opinion without expecting responses?


I must have missed where I said "and absolutely don't respond to what I say."
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:44:12 PM
#463:


iiicon posted...
they're gonna be booking themselves into a corner if kenny omega, possibly the main reason the company exists and why people are excited for it, isn't allowed to be the champion

wrestlers before and after hhh have had influence on the creative side of the company and the results weren't always disastrous. it's not really a great comparison between the two


I'm thinking more in line with them both having actual executive positions, not just simply having creative control.
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scarletspeed7
09/01/19 3:44:57 PM
#464:


You're nitpicking the intent of your post by trying to lawyer the extremes. If that wasn't the intent of your post, consider the tone and wording you used. I don't want to have to put you on ignore, that's not being a good steward of this topic.
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 3:52:51 PM
#465:


What the fuck are you even talking about?
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iiicon
09/01/19 4:19:38 PM
#466:


TheRock1525 posted...
I'm thinking more in line with them both having actual executive positions, not just simply having creative control.

there's not a great deal of difference between the two in the context of this discussion

I'm also not sure what pulling a HHH means in the context of AEW
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Maniac64
09/01/19 8:36:16 PM
#467:


TheRock1525 posted...
I'm thinking more in line with them both having actual executive positions, not just simply having creative control.
I mean the other option is he can be like Quack and never give himself the big win.

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Eddv
09/01/19 11:12:36 PM
#468:


Gotta say anyone who watched that show and didn't think Cody was a bonafide star, position of power or no, is absolutely out of their god damn minds.
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Eddv
09/01/19 11:14:57 PM
#469:


iiicon posted...
The title match should've been between Omega and either PAC or Mox, but it wasn't, so it is what it is. They obviously see more value in telling the story of Omega reclaiming his status as the best bout machine and the best wrestler in the world over the long term through TV and PPVs, and they're setting up PAC and Mox as guys who are a little bit ahead of him on the pecking order right now. It's not the way I would've done things, especially for a company like AEW who are courting people that want to see the best wrestler, or at least one of the best wrestlers, putting out MOTY candidates at the top of the card. But they'll get there I guess.

Jericho absolutely should've won the title match as it was constructed. Page beating Jericho wouldn't have made Page, he's just not that over to their crowd. Not yet anyway. It just would've been a guy they're mild about going over one of the best wrestlers ever, a guy they're still hot to see as his career winds down. Neither Page nor Jericho are going to tear the house down, but as least Jericho is a guy people will be excited to see.

AEW presenting itself as an alternative is more than about who is at the very top of the card. They've been up front about presenting a variety of high quality matches in a number of different styles. They don't really have the same problem of upward mobility as WWE because Jericho is clearly not a long-term champion guy, they're using him to get other people over but initially presenting him as a credible threat that people want to see.


Put another way, there was nothing Page could have gained by winning that he didn't gain by losing and that's all that needed to be accomplished here. He went out there and hung with Jericho and merely got out techniqued by literally one of the craftiest wrestlers of all time.
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TheRock1525
09/01/19 11:50:11 PM
#470:


Also, apparently Tyler Bate and WALTER had a 42 minute match.

God damn.
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Jakyl25
09/02/19 12:11:42 AM
#471:


Kacy Catanzaro retired :-(

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scarletspeed7
09/02/19 12:14:48 AM
#472:


Yeah, that bummed me out so much.
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TheRock1525
09/02/19 12:36:45 AM
#473:


Wait, retired or just left WWE?
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TheRock1525
09/02/19 12:37:23 AM
#474:


Also, Tyler Bate is way too good at wrestling at 22 years old.
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Jakyl25
09/02/19 12:46:20 AM
#475:


TheRock1525 posted...
Wait, retired or just left WWE?


Says she wants out because of back issues

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Jakyl25
09/02/19 12:53:51 AM
#476:


And this on the heels of Kylie Rae retiring due to an undisclosed personal issue

Bad times for cheerful up-and-coming women

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NBIceman
09/02/19 1:00:09 AM
#477:


Supposedly Kylie's retirement may have been due to a spine and/or brain issue, not personal.
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Jakyl25
09/02/19 1:01:00 AM
#478:


Your spine is very personal!

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Tom Bombadil
09/02/19 10:41:42 AM
#479:


Jakyl25 posted...
Bad times for cheerful up-and-coming women


protect Kairi and Bayley!!

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Steiner
09/02/19 10:42:53 AM
#480:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also, Tyler Bate is way too good at wrestling at 22 years old.


he was this far ahead at 19 and it's a shame he's only worked 6 singles matches this year because he should still be improving at the same rate

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Steiner
09/02/19 10:45:25 AM
#481:


https://twitter.com/rlavitt/status/1167166111940407296?s=19

Happy birthday to Vince
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TheRock1525
09/02/19 1:24:12 PM
#482:


Steiner posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also, Tyler Bate is way too good at wrestling at 22 years old.


he was this far ahead at 19 and it's a shame he's only worked 6 singles matches this year because he should still be improving at the same rate


I dunno, I think there's been a noticeable improvement since his trilogy with Dunne, and that match with Walter was his best since I've seen him.
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Steiner
09/02/19 1:25:41 PM
#483:


TheRock1525 posted...
Steiner posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also, Tyler Bate is way too good at wrestling at 22 years old.


he was this far ahead at 19 and it's a shame he's only worked 6 singles matches this year because he should still be improving at the same rate


I dunno, I think there's been a noticeable improvement since his trilogy with Dunne, and that match with Walter was his best since I've seen him.


I'm not saying he's got no better, but his development has been stunted by not wrestling.
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TheRock1525
09/02/19 1:28:03 PM
#484:


Yeah I honestly hope he gets out of NXT UK and gets to work regularly on 2 hour NXT. I suspect Dunne will.
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Eddv
09/02/19 2:44:35 PM
#485:


I hope he gets out of WWE and goes back to wrestling.
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iiicon
09/02/19 10:14:57 PM
#486:


TheRock1525 posted...
Yeah I honestly hope he gets out of NXT UK and gets to work regularly on 2 hour NXT. I suspect Dunne will.

i thought that's how this entire story was presented, that it's the last stand for british strong style. dunne will be off to nxt on usa, tyler stays in the uk and trent recommits to indies. or maybe swap dunne and bate because dunne just had a kid, idk
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TheRock1525
09/02/19 10:26:02 PM
#487:


iiicon posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Yeah I honestly hope he gets out of NXT UK and gets to work regularly on 2 hour NXT. I suspect Dunne will.

i thought that's how this entire story was presented, that it's the last stand for british strong style. dunne will be off to nxt on usa, tyler stays in the uk and trent recommits to indies. or maybe swap dunne and bate because dunne just had a kid, idk


Tapings say otherwise.

Also:

https://twitter.com/JJWilliamsWON/status/1168432828410925056

Punk being the adult in the room is weird.
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TheRock1525
09/03/19 12:26:55 AM
#488:


So Bayley just turned heel.
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StealThisSheen
09/03/19 12:42:43 AM
#489:


TheRock1525 posted...
So Bayley just turned heel.


Because Sasha ruins everything
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TheRock1525
09/03/19 12:51:12 AM
#490:


It's only ruined if we get a double-turn and Charlotte becomes a face again.

Otherwise I'm down with a Bayley heel run.
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StealThisSheen
09/03/19 1:16:44 AM
#491:


Spoilers: She's gonna play second fiddle to Sasha and then be ignored because like 90% of the women's division is heel already
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TheRock1525
09/03/19 1:23:48 AM
#492:


Not for nothing, but what Smackdown babyface is currently poised to take the title off her any time soon?
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StealThisSheen
09/03/19 1:26:10 AM
#493:


Well considering they only have like two faces and one doesn't do anything but tell R-Truth to run, she's probably not gonna defend the title much at all for awhile and concentrate on that second fiddling

Unless Charlotte turns face

Oh god it is coming
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TheRock1525
09/03/19 1:28:01 AM
#494:


If it's face Charlotte then I'm right there with you, buddy.

If it's something like a returning Liv Morgan (as rumored) then it's definitely interesting. And especially if we get Bayley/Ember with a proper face-heel dynamic instead of literally going "hey we should fight."
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Eddv
09/03/19 1:49:28 AM
#495:


Did you just call literal Liv Morgan interesting?

I revoke your right to criticize literally anything.
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StealThisSheen
09/03/19 1:50:23 AM
#496:


Yeah I'm not really sure what's interesting about Liv Morgan other than the fact she's still employed
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Steiner
09/03/19 3:36:48 AM
#497:


i don't think today there's really a problem with turning bayley - but let's talk about how badly things have to have gone wrong along the way for that to be the case

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