Current Events > Ass creed writers have officially lost their goddamn minds.

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50Blessings posted...

What is it with the writers Ubisoft hires just not fucking getting it?

Far Cry 5 was similar in how nobody who wrote the story to that game seemed to realize what the fuck they were writing for.

I think they pretty obviously determined that their audience doesn't care too much about the story
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I haven't played AC since Black Flag.

But you know what would have been a real good fucking way to show that Templars and Assassins are neither the good or bad guys?

Probably that fucking Minerva bitch actually being the big bad instead of apparently just getting killed off in a comic book.
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Sounds like Ubisoft has no clue on what to do with the modern story again(ever since AC 3), and are just looking to piss players off.

Honestly I felt that Rogue was the last AC game that really did everything right for the assassins and templars conflict.

Ever since they went next gen they lost their way for the modern day story, and the past stories being actually good.

Unity was bad, Syndicate was ok, Origins was interesting, but Odyssey does t know what it wants to be.
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Unity was great.

But yeah, as much as I'm loving Odyssey I'm having a hard time following any sort of story.
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Unity was a fucking turd.
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Lol why? I thought the combat felt solid and not floaty, I was interested in the characters, the side puzzles were aggravating but still really well written.
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AC3 should have been the final game in the series where you played as Desmond for the entire game in said modern setting. I thought that as far back as AC2, and I still believe it should have been case even today.
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The combat was the worst part, and no the characters were boring as hell not to mention not even bothering to incorporate the french revolution into the story.

Lets not even talk about the shitty dodge system where you could not do a thing against guns when they fired at you. Atleast AC 3, BF, Rogue, and Liberation allowed you to grab a guy to use as a bullet shield if close by.

The other wtf was how few and far between the bullets you could find off corpses as well, a dude with a gun having no rounds is complete bullshit.

Syndicate actually had a good combat system, and plenty of ways to deal with enemies with guns while providing enough ammo.
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Just got to the first real modern day segment with Layla in Odyssey and I'm a bit disappointed: instead of just going directly from the conclusion of Origins, there's apparently some more inbetween story and new characters that I have no idea about. Why the hell would they do that? Just continue from Layla escaping and set her up with this new team in Odyssey.
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Okay so I haven't actually beaten the DLC yet still but I nearly shit a brick when Aita's voice popped up in the chamber and then again when you turn around and you can see Juno turn away in the background and AGAIN when you go back to Poseidon and they both show up there. Been a long time since I heard that voice.

Also it's kind of weird that despite being a simulation there's still an actual "time" this takes place in (and is a lot further back than I assumed with the other two episodes). But it also begs the question that if this is how it actually went down, who was Kassandra irl when it actually happened cause we all know Kassandra wasn't actually alive when the Solar Flare happened in 76k bce.
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Okay what happened that supports the OP >_> yeah she's gone kinda crazy but it ends with Berg lying in the middle of the room paralyzed and Layla re-entering the animus
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Also one thing that heavily bothers me about AC Odyssey, unless I am overlooking some really simple mechanic here, is that it's really hard to support one side of the war, because you're by default actively working against whatever faction owns a territory whenever you try to clear the map out. I don't know why they thought that was good design.
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Hexenherz posted...

Also one thing that heavily bothers me about AC Odyssey, unless I am overlooking some really simple mechanic here, is that it's really hard to support one side of the war, because you're by default actively working against whatever faction owns a territory whenever you try to clear the map out. I don't know why they thought that was good design.

That good ol' ludonarrative dissonance at play again.

You can literally sit in one area and just alternate control of it between Sparta and Athens for as long as you want, and they'll keep paying you to do it!
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I honestly initially loved odyssey. Enough to put 150 hours into it. But I got kind of burnt out and went back to replay origins and black flag for shits and giggles. Now I find odyssey to be annoying as shit. Tons and tons of mindless filler and grinding. With ubisoft fighting all the time to prevent people from circumventing the grind because of goddamn microtransactions.
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I kinda wish they would drop the gameplay RPG elements. Keep the dialogue and choices but ditch the rest
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DarthAragorn posted...

I kinda wish they would drop the gameplay RPG elements. Keep the dialogue and choices but ditch the rest

Tbqh, I liked how they were done in origins. Origins had no grinding, as they levels were more or less an illusion anyway. The game was paced in such a way that you'd be the right level for your next quest all the time, and by the end of the story, everyone was max level. Same with the dlc for origins, it leveled you adequately throughout.
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BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.
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Bio1590 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Also one thing that heavily bothers me about AC Odyssey, unless I am overlooking some really simple mechanic here, is that it's really hard to support one side of the war, because you're by default actively working against whatever faction owns a territory whenever you try to clear the map out. I don't know why they thought that was good design.

That good ol' ludonarrative dissonance at play again.

You can literally sit in one area and just alternate control of it between Sparta and Athens for as long as you want, and they'll keep paying you to do it!

Yeah lol, that too. I love how I'll do random side quests and turn them in with Spartans (because... the game tells me to? I don't know) and then they revere me so much even though I'm *always* siding against them in battles.

pres_madagascar posted...

I honestly initially loved odyssey. Enough to put 150 hours into it. But I got kind of burnt out and went back to replay origins and black flag for shits and giggles. Now I find odyssey to be annoying as shit. Tons and tons of mindless filler and grinding. With ubisoft fighting all the time to prevent people from circumventing the grind because of goddamn microtransactions.

Also agreed with the pointless filler, there are too many pointless bandit/cultist/hunter camps :\

The dialogued quests are kind of fun and I like seeing how they turn out but I just started playing it again after a couple week break and it's like... eh. Still enjoying it but I can see why I took that break.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.

Origins is better though. It had much more attention to detail and obvious love put into it. Odyssey had a lot of repetition and mmo style elements.
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pres_madagascar posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.

Origins is better though. It had much more attention to detail and obvious love put into it. Odyssey had a lot of repetition and mmo style elements.

Origins is smaller, but imo Odyssey is better. Combat was better in Odyssey with the abilities and I liked the scenery better. The story was more cohesive in Origins, but again, the map was like half the size and the choices in dialogue meant absolutely nothing in Origin.

Odyssey has its problems (namely the grind), but its not a bad game.
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pres_madagascar posted...

I honestly initially loved odyssey. Enough to put 150 hours into it. But I got kind of burnt out and went back to replay origins and black flag for shits and giggles. Now I find odyssey to be annoying as shit. Tons and tons of mindless filler and grinding. With ubisoft fighting all the time to prevent people from circumventing the grind because of goddamn microtransactions.

Yeah I honestly felt this start to creep up too playing Episode 2 of Fate of Atlantis and it was going full-bore during Episode 3. I'm actually kind of relieved it ended up being shorter than the other two because I was basically already done by the time I completed the quest where Elpis transforms herself and kills Atlas (although apparently this has another ending, but that's what happened in mine) and there was thankfully only a couple more + the boss fight after that.

Now I'm trying to slog through the Herodotus Lost Tale of Greece and I guess the last time I touch this game will be when the final Lost Tale of Greece comes out, unless the Discovery Tour includes trophies again.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.

Origins is better though. It had much more attention to detail and obvious love put into it. Odyssey had a lot of repetition and mmo style elements.

Origins is smaller, but imo Odyssey is better. Combat was better in Odyssey with the abilities and I liked the scenery better. The story was more cohesive in Origins, but again, the map was like half the size and the choices in dialogue meant absolutely nothing in Origin.

Odyssey has its problems (namely the grind), but its not a bad game.

Origins looks vastly better. Most of Odyssey all looks the same. Origins has varying topography. Egypt is just nicer to look at than Greece.
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Maybe Im just biased because I love Ancient Greece and dont care for ancient Egypt as much.

I just felt like Origins was a lot of sand. And there were vast parts of the map that were just there. No animals, no tasks, just...there.

I havent really burnt out on Odyssey though, so yeah. Friend just bought the season pass and Im during Ep2 of the first DLC atm.

I probably wont grind to top of S4 of the merc list though. Only like 55 and the top of the list is 99. F that.
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Odyssey's just missing shit too. Like there's no explanation as to why you explore the tombs that give you an ability point. There's no lore they're literally just there.
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Bio1590 posted...

Odyssey's just missing shit too. Like there's no explanation as to why you explore the tombs that give you an ability point. There's no lore they're literally just there.

I did forget about the lore in the tombs in Origins >_>. It doesn't feel the same in Odyssey for sure.

Not all of Odyssey is bad though :|
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Maybe Im just biased because I love Ancient Greece and dont care for ancient Egypt as much.

I just felt like Origins was a lot of sand. And there were vast parts of the map that were just there. No animals, no tasks, just...there.

I havent really burnt out on Odyssey though, so yeah. Friend just bought the season pass and Im during Ep2 of the first DLC atm.

I probably wont grind to top of S4 of the merc list though. Only like 55 and the top of the list is 99. F that.

The higher levels take longer too. I'm 71 and it takes for fucking ever to level.

The three episodes of fate of Atlantis are where odyssey really looks unique imo.
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Bio1590 posted...

Okay what happened that supports the OP >_> yeah she's gone kinda crazy but it ends with Berg lying in the middle of the room paralyzed and Layla re-entering the animus

Theres still the lost tale of greece that has laylas face on the achievement/trophy that has yet to be released, so im sure well get more present day before the next game
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Lordgold666 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Okay what happened that supports the OP >_> yeah she's gone kinda crazy but it ends with Berg lying in the middle of the room paralyzed and Layla re-entering the animus

Theres still the lost tale of greece that has laylas face on the achievement/trophy that has yet to be released, so im sure well get more present day before the next game

The one with Layla's face is the Heir of Memories trophy, that one's been released and you need to complete that quest to unlock the Atlantis DLC.

The one unreleased trophy is Old Flames Burn Brighter, which I believe is confirmed to relate to Sokrates.
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Bio1590 posted...

Odyssey's just missing shit too. Like there's no explanation as to why you explore the tombs that give you an ability point. There's no lore they're literally just there.

Im pretty sure its supposed to be lost isu knowledge
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Bio1590 posted...

Lordgold666 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Okay what happened that supports the OP >_> yeah she's gone kinda crazy but it ends with Berg lying in the middle of the room paralyzed and Layla re-entering the animus

Theres still the lost tale of greece that has laylas face on the achievement/trophy that has yet to be released, so im sure well get more present day before the next game

The one with Layla's face is the Heir of Memories trophy, that one's been released and you need to complete that quest to unlock the Atlantis DLC.

The one unreleased trophy is Old Flames Burn Brighter, which I believe is confirmed to relate to Sokrates.

Was it really? Idk how i didnt notice that. Nevermind then lol
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.

Origins is better though. It had much more attention to detail and obvious love put into it. Odyssey had a lot of repetition and mmo style elements.

Origins is smaller, but imo Odyssey is better. Combat was better in Odyssey with the abilities and I liked the scenery better. The story was more cohesive in Origins, but again, the map was like half the size and the choices in dialogue meant absolutely nothing in Origin.

Odyssey has its problems (namely the grind), but its not a bad game.

Odyssey is what has killed my interest in the series. I have absolutely no desire at all to play the next game if it's just going to be another big for the sake of big pointless choice history breaking bullshit of a game. I'll just watch the story on YouTube if they just make more of the same. I play the Assassin's Creed games to play an assassin. Not some action adventure RPG.
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Gamerguymass posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

Stop peddling this garbage.

Both were good games.

Origins is better though. It had much more attention to detail and obvious love put into it. Odyssey had a lot of repetition and mmo style elements.

Origins is smaller, but imo Odyssey is better. Combat was better in Odyssey with the abilities and I liked the scenery better. The story was more cohesive in Origins, but again, the map was like half the size and the choices in dialogue meant absolutely nothing in Origin.

Odyssey has its problems (namely the grind), but its not a bad game.

Odyssey is what has killed my interest in the series. I have absolutely no desire at all to play the next game if it's just going to be another big for the sake of big pointless choice history breaking bullshit of a game. I'll just watch the story on YouTube if they just make more of the same. I play the Assassin's Creed games to play an assassin. Not some action adventure RPG.

Odyssey is one of my favorite games of 2018 but this is a legit complaint imo. The series has now changed so dramatically that calling it Assassin's Creed almost feels like a joke. I still greatly enjoy the game for what it is and have poured dozens of hours into it.
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If ac 2020 is more like origins in structure, I'll be down. If it's like odyssey in structure, I think I may pass.

The grind is oppressive after a certain point. Especially since once you get into the 70-99 range, upgrades also get very costly.
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I'd rather it just drop all RPG elements aside from dialogue choice
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DarthAragorn posted...

I'd rather it just drop all RPG elements aside from dialogue choice

Agreed

They use the guise of being an rpg so they could shoehorn in those xp/$ boosts
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pres_madagascar posted...

If ac 2020 is more like origins in structure, I'll be down. If it's like odyssey in structure, I think I may pass.

The grind is oppressive after a certain point. Especially since once you get into the 70-99 range, upgrades also get very costly.

You know what killed me about levels is that originally the game was capped at 50 and then they increased it to 70 and then they increased it to 99 through patches.

But there wasn't any major event they tied the increase to 70 to. Unlike Origins, which capped at 40, then increased to 45 with DLC1 and then 55 with DLC2, they randomly decided to just include the increase in one of the major monthly patches, and stated that they had "no way" of retroactively rewarding XP you had earned passed the level 50 cap, even though it was all recorded. There was also going to be a bonus given out if you hit 70 by a certain date.

So what ended up happening is that if you had beaten the game already, the only way to get from 50 to 70 was to grind the arena and the bounties/contracts you could get in-game, which took forever. However, those who were just starting out or partway through had the advantage of having actual content left to finish. For someone like me, who had spent a vast majority of the second half of the game at level 50 and thus had probably millions of wasted XP points, it was basically just a slap in the face.
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Lordgold666 posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

I'd rather it just drop all RPG elements aside from dialogue choice

Agreed

They use the guise of being an rpg so they could shoehorn in those xp/$ boosts

Origins didn't really have xp boost nor need them. Odyssey however...

Bio1590 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

If ac 2020 is more like origins in structure, I'll be down. If it's like odyssey in structure, I think I may pass.

The grind is oppressive after a certain point. Especially since once you get into the 70-99 range, upgrades also get very costly.

You know what killed me about levels is that originally the game was capped at 50 and then they increased it to 70 and then they increased it to 99 through patches.

But there wasn't any major event they tied the increase to 70 to. Unlike Origins, which capped at 40, then increased to 45 with DLC1 and then 55 with DLC2, they randomly decided to just include the increase in one of the major monthly patches, and stated that they had "no way" of retroactively rewarding XP you had earned passed the level 50 cap, even though it was all recorded. There was also going to be a bonus given out if you hit 70 by a certain date.

So what ended up happening is that if you had beaten the game already, the only way to get from 50 to 70 was to grind the arena and the bounties/contracts you could get in-game, which took forever. However, those who were just starting out or partway through had the advantage of having actual content left to finish. For someone like me, who had spent a vast majority of the second half of the game at level 50 and thus had probably millions of wasted XP points, it was basically just a slap in the face.

Agreed. Especially since after level 60 or so, gaining more levels doesn't matter in any way outside of being able to buy more upgrades.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Origins didn't really have xp boost nor need them

Origins literally had a system for you to buy XP using in-game currency. It was amazing.

pres_madagascar posted...

Agreed. Especially since after level 60 or so, gaining more levels doesn't matter in any way outside of being able to buy more upgrades.

For most things yes, the only redeeming part of getting to level 99 and having level 10 engravings is that the right build can turn you into an unstoppable murder machine that crits at 500%+ of your base damage every single time.
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Also with the leveling system if you got your legendary gear before hitting the cap or before the cap increase, then continue to level, enjoy grinding you fucker. It basically punishes you for leveling up.
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