Current Events > Ass creed writers have officially lost their goddamn minds.

(+) Yeah! (+)

So the final AC odyssey dlc came out.

They've lost their fucking minds.

For those who want spoilers:

you know Layla hassan, the girl you play as in modern day stuff in origins and Odyssey? Well now she's a super powered villain driven mad with power. And otso burg, the Templar merc guy who's been in the series for a long time, got injured and went into the animus(setting up the next ac game which is rumored to show the origins of the Templars) and he is now the "hero".

Wtf are you doing ubisoft.
---

Havent played the last yet but doesnt she currently have a piece of eden? If so, it makes sense, that shit has been proven to be able to corrupt those who interact with them iirc
---

I'm so glad I stopped caring about the modern day nonsense after AC3
---

it seems like every series fends towards some bullshit nonsense in the end.
---

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I'm so glad I stopped caring about the modern day nonsense after AC3

Why do they even have it still in the games. Just fucking toss it forever. It was always the worst part

I love the mystery and puzzle bits of the real world, which Odyssey was lacking. They can make up for it in future titles.
---

Samurontai posted...

Havent played the last yet but doesnt she currently have a piece of eden? If so, it makes sense, that shit has been proven to be able to corrupt those who interact with them iirc

she has the staff of hermes, and is immortal and has the powers of a god
---

The next game is rumored to take place at the end of the viking era and show the proto Templars who became the Templar order.
---

if this leads up to otso finding the shroud of turin, putting it on desmond's corpse, and bringing him back to be the ultimate assassin, i'm for it.
---

BillyKidd posted...

if this leads up to otso finding the shroud of turin, putting it on desmond's corpse, and bringing him back to be the ultimate assassin, i'm for it.

...Huh. Was it established that an artifact called Shroud of Turin has the ability to revive people before? I could see it happening in that case.

Anyway, seems like the writing is really crazy but I guess they're trying to force the idea that the Assassins and Templars aren't necessarily "good" and "evil" forces.
---

It's technically called a shroud of eden as there are more than one, but references of it have been strewn through the series:
Assassin's Creed II (Gylphs only)
Assassin's Creed: Project Legacy (first appearance)
Assassin's Creed: Syndicate
Assassin's Creed: Odyssey The Fate of Atlantis: Judgment of Atlantis
---

Ah, interesting. I forgot all about the glyphs in 2.
---

Banjo2553 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

if this leads up to otso finding the shroud of turin, putting it on desmond's corpse, and bringing him back to be the ultimate assassin, i'm for it.

...Huh. Was it established that an artifact called Shroud of Turin has the ability to revive people before? I could see it happening in that case.

Anyway, seems like the writing is really crazy but I guess they're trying to force the idea that the Assassins and Templars aren't necessarily "good" and "evil" forces.

Yes, in Syndicate
---

Banjo2553 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

if this leads up to otso finding the shroud of turin, putting it on desmond's corpse, and bringing him back to be the ultimate assassin, i'm for it.

...Huh. Was it established that an artifact called Shroud of Turin has the ability to revive people before? I could see it happening in that case.

Anyway, seems like the writing is really crazy but I guess they're trying to force the idea that the Assassins and Templars aren't necessarily "good" and "evil" forces.

They've been pushing for that for a while. Rogue was heavily trying to show that.
---

Banjo2553 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

if this leads up to otso finding the shroud of turin, putting it on desmond's corpse, and bringing him back to be the ultimate assassin, i'm for it.

...Huh. Was it established that an artifact called Shroud of Turin has the ability to revive people before? I could see it happening in that case.

Anyway, seems like the writing is really crazy but I guess they're trying to force the idea that the Assassins and Templars aren't necessarily "good" and "evil" forces.

From the AssCreed wiki

According to analysis by Abstergo Industries, when a Shroud is wrapped around a body, it scans it for damage, then reconstructs it on a cellular level, enabling potential reconstruction of decomposed organisms and, possibly, resurrection of deceased members of the First Civilization.[1]

It had been used to attempt to bring humans back to life with no success but since Desmond has some First Civ blood in him it could indeed be written in. I do hope they go that route
---

I wrote off the series after Ac3.

I can't do it. Every installment becomes more nonsensical and ridiculous.
---

What happened with the 2012 doomsday plot line that 2 set up
---

She didn't seem bad to me, just very troubled and conflicted and emotionally compromised.

And I never saw Otso enter the animus.

viewmaster_pi posted...

She didn't seem bad to me, just very troubled and conflicted and emotionally compromised.

And I never saw Otso enter the animus.

He was injured near it. It's pretty obvious what they're doing.
---

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?
---

Only played the first game.

Feels good man
---

Me big brain. Me play Ubisoft game for plot.
---

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.
---

ultimate reaver posted...

Me big brain. Me play Ubisoft game for plot.

No, but origins and Odyssey decided to actually make the modern day setting relevant again, then pulled the same shit all over again.
---

I gave up on the series after AC3, but hasn't the series always shown that people that spend prolonged amounts of time in the animus tend to go absolutely crazy?
---

Axiom posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I'm so glad I stopped caring about the modern day nonsense after AC3

Why do they even have it still in the games. Just fucking toss it forever. It was always the worst part

---

pres_madagascar posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.

I f***ing hate games that ask you to read comics to get the whole story
---

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back
---

pres_madagascar posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

Me big brain. Me play Ubisoft game for plot.

No, but origins and Odyssey decided to actually make the modern day setting relevant again, then pulled the same shit all over again.

I'm so curious because I actually enjoyed the modern day story, even though they never did anything with it after 3, but I'm playing Odysseey so I need to practice self-control and avoid the spoilers.
---

K181 posted...

I gave up on the series after AC3, but hasn't the series always shown that people that spend prolonged amounts of time in the animus tend to go absolutely crazy?

Hasn't been a thing since ac3
---

konokonohamaru posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.

I f***ing hate games that ask you to read comics to get the whole story

Seems all too common now too
---

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got) and then Ubisoft got money-hungry and started adding in games and completely destroyed the original vision for the series.
---

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got) and then Ubisoft got money-hungry and started adding in games and completely destroyed the original vision for the series.

True, but it did produce two of the three best games in the series, blackflag and origins.
---

Odyssey's regular story with Kassandra has NOTHING to do with assassins and tenplars
---

Behaviorism posted...

Odyssey's regular story with Kassandra has NOTHING to do with assassins and tenplars

It does, but only in a very minor way that wasn't revealed until the end of the first dlc story arc, and it pretty much pissed everyone off lol.
---

pres_madagascar posted...

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got) and then Ubisoft got money-hungry and started adding in games and completely destroyed the original vision for the series.

True, but it did produce two of the three best games in the series, blackflag and origins.

Origins basically completely retconned the lore though, as good as that game was.
---

Bio1590 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got) and then Ubisoft got money-hungry and started adding in games and completely destroyed the original vision for the series.

True, but it did produce two of the three best games in the series, blackflag and origins.

Origins basically completely retconned the lore though, as good as that game was.

Oh it definitely retconned just about everything, but ubisoft themselves hadn't given a shit about lore in nearly a decade either.

The most popular discussions on the AC subreddit tend to involve people begging ubi to hire a goddamn lore master or even spend 20 minutes glossing over the fan wiki.
---

konokonohamaru posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.

I f***ing hate games that ask you to read comics to get the whole story

That's something that Mass Effect got really bad about.

Jacob and Miranda were from a phone game, though ME2 is a strong enough product that their introduction is fine whether you know about their origins or not. But their friend Ish is also from that game, and he sticks out like a sore thumb - it's some real Remember The New Guy shit. Then there's the Shadow Broker DLC with Feron - he's a flat character, and his chemistry with Liara is barely there. The main appeal of Feron is to those who read the comic book about Liara obtaining Shepard's corpse.

But things really went into overdrive with ME3.

James Vega: Anime movie
Kahlee Sanders: Books
Emily Wong: killed off-screen during a viral marketing campaign
The Illusive Man: Backstory explained in a comic book (which I just learned now using Google Fu)
Kai Leng: Book villain, worst character in ME3

The 7th generation of video games were lousy with video game novels. Kind of a shitty period imo - it's interesting in how video games tried to make that leap into becoming big multimedia properties, but it all went to shit when game studios started folding external lore into the core video games.
---

konokonohamaru posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.

I f***ing hate games that ask you to read comics to get the whole story

---

Odyssey is a fantastic game but it's not an Assassin's Creed game and the modern day stuff only drags the game down.
---

pres_madagascar posted...

Bio1590 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got) and then Ubisoft got money-hungry and started adding in games and completely destroyed the original vision for the series.

True, but it did produce two of the three best games in the series, blackflag and origins.

Origins basically completely retconned the lore though, as good as that game was.

Oh it definitely retconned just about everything, but ubisoft themselves hadn't given a shit about lore in nearly a decade either.

The most popular discussions on the AC subreddit tend to involve people begging ubi to hire a goddamn lore master or even spend 20 minutes glossing over the fan wiki.

But they do lol, they've literally admitted they use the fan Wiki...which says a lot about how poorly they're "keeping track" of everything.
---

MrMallard posted...

Kahlee Sanders: Books
Emily Wong:

To be fair, those were pretty good
---

ROBANN_88 posted...

MrMallard posted...

Kahlee Sanders: Books
Emily Wong:

To be fair, those were pretty good

They killed Emily Wong so they could replace her with Jessica Chobot's cardboard cutout of a character. That's not good at all.
---

BignutzisBack posted...

Odyssey was already a terrible game so I'm not surprised, it's a shame they put out a classic like Origins and then took such a huge step back

lol
---

I hope they put more effort into the modern day going forward
---

MrMallard posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

Whatever happened with that Ancient/Forerunner/wtf they're called that was gonna take over the world or some shit at the end of AC3?

They sorted that out in a comic book. It was basically never spoken of in the games again after Ac3 outside of a few mentions here and there.

I f***ing hate games that ask you to read comics to get the whole story

That's something that Mass Effect got really bad about.

Jacob and Miranda were from a phone game, though ME2 is a strong enough product that their introduction is fine whether you know about their origins or not. But their friend Ish is also from that game, and he sticks out like a sore thumb - it's some real Remember The New Guy shit. Then there's the Shadow Broker DLC with Feron - he's a flat character, and his chemistry with Liara is barely there. The main appeal of Feron is to those who read the comic book about Liara obtaining Shepard's corpse.

But things really went into overdrive with ME3.

James Vega: Anime movie
Kahlee Sanders: Books
Emily Wong: killed off-screen during a viral marketing campaign
The Illusive Man: Backstory explained in a comic book (which I just learned now using Google Fu)
Kai Leng: Book villain, worst character in ME3

The 7th generation of video games were lousy with video game novels. Kind of a shitty period imo - it's interesting in how video games tried to make that leap into becoming big multimedia properties, but it all went to shit when game studios started folding external lore into the core video games.

Mass Effect 3 gave a terrible first impression because of this

At the very first scene you talk to James Vega as if you know him, there are no introductions or easing the player into his character. I was just like who the fuck is this and should I know him?

Jacob and Miranda were ok because Shepard didn't meet them until the player met them. If you're gonna have extra lore, make sure it doesn't involve the player directly
---

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got).

What was the original vision for AC3?
---

UnholyMudcrab posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

MrMallard posted...

Kahlee Sanders: Books
Emily Wong:

To be fair, those were pretty good

They killed Emily Wong so they could replace her with Jessica Chobot's cardboard cutout of a character. That's not good at all.

the purpose was shitty, but the execution of it was excellent.
---

alphagamble posted...

Bio1590 posted...

I haven't beaten it yet so I'm not revealing the spoiler, but casual reminder there was only ever supposed to be AC1, AC2, and AC3 (and AC3 wasn't even going to be the AC3 we actually got).

What was the original vision for AC3?

It was supposed to largely take place in the Modern Day with Desmond essentially having become a "super assassin" through all the training in the Animus.

Now whether AC3 was always supposed to involve the American Revolution is another matter entirely. Patrice was already working on Brotherhood when he quit from Ubisoft.
---

What is it with the writers Ubisoft hires just not fucking getting it?

Far Cry 5 was similar in how nobody who wrote the story to that game seemed to realize what the fuck they were writing for.
---