Current Events > Depression fucking sucks

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Like what's even the funking point of it
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You're not wrong
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It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.
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Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

I tried that and I've been kicked back so far I'm now worse off then where I started
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Lord_Shadow posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

I tried that and I've been kicked back so far I'm now worse off then where I started

Because its not about improvingyour life. Depression is a chemical imbalance and it can be fixed with the right prescription drugs. See a psychiatrist
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I suggest listening to some Alan Watts lectures. They helped me a lot. Ive also been taking Zoloft for a little over a month now and its great.
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.

I think "will not improve" is too fatalistic. Just because a person sees no way out doesn't mean there isn't a way out. There are degrees to being depressed. For many, while they can't muster the energy to party with friends, but surely they can still jog, read a book, get busy with work/studies etc. Whatever the case, wallowing in self-pity is surely the worst option.

One thing that can really help me overcome my sadness is to stop focusing on myself. The moments when I felt most moody was when I had too much time to focus on my negative feelings and thoughts. It's so much easier to focus on the positive when I'm busy working towards a goal and seeing slow but incrementally positive results. First steps are the hardest but you just need to push yourself to get a momentum going.

A lot of negative thoughts are self-perpetuating. You think negative thoughts, it affects how you see other people, which affects how you react to them, makes you more sensitive to criticism which leads to more harmful thoughts.

A response I usually got was, "You have never been depressed. You don't know how crippling it is." They are right, I don't. But when it happens to me, I hope I'm defiant enough to do enough about it so that it doesn't cripple me.

EDIT: All of the above in conjunction with medication and other kinds of professional help, obviously.

Torrific posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.

I think "will not improve" is too fatalistic. Just because a person sees no way out doesn't mean there isn't a way out. There are degrees to being depressed. For many, while they can't muster the energy to party with friends, but surely they can still jog, read a book, get busy with work/studies etc. Whatever the case, wallowing in self-pity is surely the worst option.

One thing that can really help me overcome my sadness is to stop focusing on myself. The moments when I felt most moody was when I had too much time to focus on my negative feelings and thoughts. It's so much easier to focus on the positive when I'm busy working towards a goal and seeing slow but incrementally positive results. First steps are the hardest but you just need to push yourself to get a momentum going.

A lot of negative thoughts are self-perpetuating. You think negative thoughts, it affects how you see other people, which affects how you react to them, makes you more sensitive to criticism which leads to more harmful thoughts.

A lot of responses I usually got was, "You have never been depressed. You don't know how crippling it is." They are right, I don't. But when it happens to me, I hope I'm defiant enough to do enough about it so that it doesn't cripple me.

"will not improve" was wrong. I should have said "will almost definitely not improve without proper treatment"
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Honestly if you haven't dealt with true clinical depression yourself you don't know what you are talking about. I thought I understood it. Then I had a really rough couple years that brought my latent depression out. Strong family history. Lot of alcoholism, depression, and suicide.

Having to deal with it was on a different level. I was scared I was going to harm or kill myself. I almost stopped eating. Lost 10 pounds in about a month. Could only get like 2 hours of sleep a night with the associated anxiety. Woke up every morning and puked from anxiety.

That is depression. Feeling kind of bummed out a few days in a row is not.
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And things only got better with some talk therapy and meds. You can't just happy activity and positive think it away.
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mattnd2007 posted...

Honestly if you haven't dealt with true clinical depression yourself you don't know what you are talking about. I thought I understood it. Then I had a really rough couple years that brought my latent depression out. Strong family history. Lot of alcoholism, depression, and suicide.

Having to deal with it was on a different level. I was scared I was going to harm or kill myself. I almost stopped eating. Lost 10 pounds in about a month. Could only get like 2 hours of sleep a night with the associated anxiety. Woke up every morning and puked from anxiety.

That is depression. Feeling kind of bummed out a few days in a row is not.

Either that or there's the atypical type of depression, which is everything you said but instead of insomnia and no appetite, you're always tired no matter how much you sleep and you can't stop eating. And it lasts a long time like you said, not a few days.
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Yeah I think that is what my friend is going through. All he does is sleep. He doesn't have a job right now, nor a vehicle. Sleeps like 14 hours a day at least. says he has enough money to last 3 months. Then he'll deal with getting a job and a car again. We're pretty worried about him, but all we can do is be there for him.
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people who think depression can be overcome by will power and inspiring words alone are some goddamn fools. Not every person can be mentally strong enough to beat it like that.
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mattnd2007 posted...

And things only got better with some talk therapy and meds. You can't just happy activity and positive think it away.

mattnd2007 posted...

Honestly if you haven't dealt with true clinical depression yourself you don't know what you are talking about. I thought I understood it. Then I had a really rough couple years that brought my latent depression out. Strong family history. Lot of alcoholism, depression, and suicide.

Having to deal with it was on a different level. I was scared I was going to harm or kill myself. I almost stopped eating. Lost 10 pounds in about a month. Could only get like 2 hours of sleep a night with the associated anxiety. Woke up every morning and puked from anxiety.

That is depression. Feeling kind of bummed out a few days in a row is not.

I'm not disputing all of this. But surely even deluding yourself is better than just giving up. I'm may not actually depressed before. But there were times when I got a glimpse of it. it helped when I just said fuck it to the "big picture stuff" like career, marriage, friendships, etc, and just focus on one or two activities that are easy and have tangible results (working out & reading mainly). Regardless, I don't think affirming their belief that nothing can be done outside of medication is helpful

Lord_Shadow posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

I tried that and I've been kicked back so far I'm now worse off then where I started

What has made you happy before, can be easily done and has tangible results?

Torrific posted...

mattnd2007 posted...

And things only got better with some talk therapy and meds. You can't just happy activity and positive think it away.

mattnd2007 posted...

Honestly if you haven't dealt with true clinical depression yourself you don't know what you are talking about. I thought I understood it. Then I had a really rough couple years that brought my latent depression out. Strong family history. Lot of alcoholism, depression, and suicide.

Having to deal with it was on a different level. I was scared I was going to harm or kill myself. I almost stopped eating. Lost 10 pounds in about a month. Could only get like 2 hours of sleep a night with the associated anxiety. Woke up every morning and puked from anxiety.

That is depression. Feeling kind of bummed out a few days in a row is not.

I'm not disputing all of this. But surely even deluding yourself is better than just giving up. I'm may not actually depressed before. But there were times when I got a glimpse of it. it helped when I just said fuck it to the "big picture stuff" like career, marriage, friendships, etc, and just focus on one or two activities that are easy and have tangible results (working out & reading mainly). Regardless, I don't think affirming their belief that nothing can be done outside of medication is helpful

you shouldn't give up OR delude yourself. you should get proper treatment
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@TheGreatGeno326 I mean when even treatment doesn't work. The power of the mind is amazing and very underrated. I had recurring night terrors until I stupidly told myself not to give a fuck no matter how terrifying it got. I never had it since. Athletes were trained to engage in doublethink when they fall into a stressful situation. They were trained to delude themselves into thinking the competition is not important at all.

Captain_Qwark posted...

Torr holy shit you're ignorant.

stop posting

Like affirming all their sense of hopelessness and helplessness is so much better.

Lol at the flame!

Torrific posted...

@TheGreatGeno326 I mean when even treatment doesn't work. The power of the mind is amazing and very underrated. I had recurring night terrors until I stupidly told myself not to give a fuck no matter how terrifying it got. I never had it since. Athletes were trained to engage in doublethink when they fall into a stressful situation. They were trained to delude themselves into thinking the competition is not important at all.

When treatment doesn't work you try another form of treatment. There's dozens of different antidepressants and all of them work differently on everyone. They have certain antidepressants they use for treatment resistant depression.
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Yeah sorry tor I gotta agree. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm sure you're trying to be helpful, but yeah.
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I feel like obviously there are different levels. People have different things that make them depressed. I'm depressed right now because the girl I love is in Mexico and the illness I have makes visiting her difficult. We've had some clashes lately and now we aren't talking. She's depressed as well and she deals with that in ways that make me think she's pushing me away.

So I've been in bed the last 3 days. That's not shit I know. I know I'll probably get over it. But it doesn't make it suck less. I imagine clinically depressed people feel like that and worse for longer periods. The hopeless feeling of feeling like nothing will ever get better or change is a terrible one.
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lilJoe457 posted...

I feel like obviously there are different levels. People have different things that make them depressed. I'm depressed right now because the girl I love is in Mexico and the illness I have makes visiting her difficult. We've had some clashes lately and now we aren't talking. She's depressed as well and she deals with that in ways that make me think she's pushing me away.

So I've been in bed the last 3 days. That's not shit I know. I know I'll probably get over it. But it doesn't make it suck less. I imagine clinically depressed people feel like that and worse for longer periods. The hopeless feeling of feeling like nothing will ever get better or change is a terrible one.

Yeah, clinical depression is when you feel even worse than that for months on end for no real reason
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it makes it harder and harder for me to care about little things when I feel like Im living in some sort of limbo nightmare world
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ultimate reaver posted...

it makes it harder and harder for me to care about little things when I feel like Im living in some sort of limbo nightmare world

Derealization is a bitch. Nothing feels real and everything seems different in the worst kind of way
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Torrific posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.

I think "will not improve" is too fatalistic. Just because a person sees no way out doesn't mean there isn't a way out. There are degrees to being depressed. For many, while they can't muster the energy to party with friends, but surely they can still jog, read a book, get busy with work/studies etc. Whatever the case, wallowing in self-pity is surely the worst option.

One thing that can really help me overcome my sadness is to stop focusing on myself. The moments when I felt most moody was when I had too much time to focus on my negative feelings and thoughts. It's so much easier to focus on the positive when I'm busy working towards a goal and seeing slow but incrementally positive results. First steps are the hardest but you just need to push yourself to get a momentum going.

A lot of negative thoughts are self-perpetuating. You think negative thoughts, it affects how you see other people, which affects how you react to them, makes you more sensitive to criticism which leads to more harmful thoughts.

A response I usually got was, "You have never been depressed. You don't know how crippling it is." They are right, I don't. But when it happens to me, I hope I'm defiant enough to do enough about it so that it doesn't cripple me.

EDIT: All of the above in conjunction with medication and other kinds of professional help, obviously.

This part hit far too close to home -_-

I wasted a majority of my 20s because of depression, but when I hit 30 last December I finally turned a corner. I won't get into the details, but im doing much better now. I have a friend at work who is going through depression and has even brought up suicide in past conversations. The most important thing I told her to do is to stay out of her mind. Find a hobby or something. With depression or anxiety, your mind is your biggest enemy.

This video really helped me come to terms with the self-sabotaging nature of depression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3Oyow40f4" data-time="
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Conflict posted...

Torrific posted...

"You have never been depressed. You don't know how crippling it is." They are right, I don't.

Okay, then your input is completely meaningless

He's one of the people who think "hey i've been cheated on and dumped therfore I know what being clinically depressed is like!!!"
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It does suck. I've had depression since I was in high school. This sort of thing affects everyone differently, but I believe you guys can overcome it if you truly make an effort to overcome your trauma.
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.

Robin Williams had Parkinson's and advanced stage dementia. There are better examples.

knutjob posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Torrific posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

It's there to remind us that we are not satisfied at how our life is at this very moment. There's only two things you can do when confronting depression.

Wallow in self-pity until you get medication that makes you feel content with your current life.

Improve your life, you are the only one that can truly improve your life, no one else is going to present us with a magic cure that makes everything all better.

This.

True clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance and will not improve no matter how good your life is

Look at Robin Williams, dude was filthy rich and he was still depressed enough to kill himself.

Robin Williams had Parkinson's and advanced stage dementia. There are better examples.

Dude struggled with depression for many years though
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