Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 23: Foreshadowing Pays Off

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In the morning, the Gamer was found dead, a mug of poisoned coffee beside him.

5tarscream has died! He was...

Miss Eliza Bennet, said Miss Bingley, despises cards. She is a great reader, and has no pleasure in anything else.

You are Elizabeth Bennet (Pride and Prejudice), TOWN Book-Reader. Though your role in life is to be married off to a wealthy man, you know in your heart that true happiness lies in love. And so, against the wishes of your mother, you seek to find the truth in people, all the while, hoping they dont bother you as you read your books.

Each night during the game, you can target a player and receive a line of passage describing them.

With five remaining, the party took themselves out to the pier to settle things, once and for all.

Playerlist (5 alive)
1. UltimaterializerX
2. SBell (Obellisk)
3. Sheep (replaced Hbthebattle)
4. Lopen
5. turbopuns3

Deadlist (16 dead)
LD1 - Luis_Sera aka The One Ring (Lord of the Rings), MAFIA Redirector
KN1 - Scarechan (replaced eaedwards) aka J.D. Salinger (as portrayed on BoJack Horseman), TOWN Villager
LD2 - Red13n aka Nyarlathotep (H.P. Lovecraft), MAFIA Backup
MKN2 - TheSultanOfSlam aka Atticus Finch (To Kill A Mockingbird), TOWN Mayor
KN2 - Dowolf aka Piggy (Lord of the Flies), TOWN Kingmaker
KN2 - Sir Chris aka g (the English alphabet), TOWN Villager
LD3 - MZero aka Petra Arkanian (Enders Game), TOWN Villager
LD4 - Pezloco aka Big Brother (1984), MAFIA Book-Reader
KN4 - Lolo aka Lily Potter (Harry Potter), TOWN Bodyguard
KN4 - Corrik aka Because I could not stop for Death (Emily Dickinson), TOWN Chronomancer
LD5 - Death aka King Claudius (Hamlet), MAFIA Poisoner
KN5 - Tom aka Sampson (Romeo and Juliet), TOWN Thumb-Biter
LD6 - Lea aka Doom the Gyarados (Doctor Doom travels through Kanto with a Magikarp as his starter), TOWN Villager
KN6 - Ben aka Sam-I-Am (Green Eggs and Ham), TOWN Cop
LD7 - Camarija aka Voldemort (Harry Potter), TOWN Villager
KN7 - 5tarscream aka Elizabeth Bennet (Pride and Prejudice), TOWN Book-Reader

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to reach majority. Day will end at 9 p.m. EDT on Friday, July 12 or if majority is reached ahead of time!

Go!

@UltimaterializerX
@Obellisk
@Sheep007
@Lopen
@turbopuns3
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##Vote: Turbopuns3

I know this is likely suicidal but that vote post was the scummiest thing I've ever seen, and not just because he got it wrong. It's why he got it wrong. There's no way he votes Cam to "remove a distraction" when he'd been against Sheep and, frankly, for Cam being town all game

He also actively panders to Ulti and SBell, no doubt two he's read as people who are not really trying to digest the game much.

Again, this probably gets me killed, but I'm just hoping Sheep is actually town at this point and there's only one scum left.
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I think it's unlikely but potentially plausible

Here's the thing

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
You = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared
SBell = scan cleared

So any scumteam would have one from group a, one from group b, most likely. Puns + Sbell seem most likely as the scumteam I think if there are two. I honestly kinda think it's just one left at the moment, though. I don't know why I think that, but it just feels more right given Puns's play. With all the role confusion crap and weak protection and whatnot, it's potentially balanced.

That's why I'm risking this-- I think Puns has set up an excellent final 3 he can't possibly lose by pandering to you + SBell who inherently have been against me this whole time, and by setting up a mislynch on sheep here-- it's town + town but he saw that I was not necessarily going to vote Cam, and that a voldemort town flip would make Sheep look bad, so it's a very flowchart game to lynch Sheep -> Me for the win.
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I was for lynching sheep but I just can't see town puns making that vote with that post. It's just too compelling to the point where I'm questioning the read on sheep. And town voldemort + trap vanilla harry potter would just throw another layer of doubt and deception on the game that makes 5 scum viable.

There's also puns early miller claim that he bailed on that he had no real reason to make as town, along with his general lack of attention to the game-- the autopilot red tactic as it were.

Puns has had a "town" look but he just hasn't had a lot of content to screw up on, to be honest. He hasn't been here most of the game, and most of his content has been in town reading players or lightly agreeing with pushes that are already in place

I'm going to get some vote logs for us to digest in a bit. Well, probably not till tomorrow morning, honestly.
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Lovely

Hey einstein how about we don't sling votes instantly today

UltimaterializerX posted...

Isnt Stu also flavor cleared? I swear we had a big discussion about Huck Finn with him.

... oh, yeah, he is.

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
You = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared

Group C
SBell = scan cleared + flavor cleared

So yeah, definitely feeling puns is the one remaining scum the more I look at it. I just don't see two scum as viable with those clears, for obvious reasons (I KNOW I'M TOWN).

Though, if you think I'm scum, well, me + anyone remaining makes some sense. So if you don't believe me, lynch me over sheep, is all I'm saying. Me flipping town will at least give the DOUBT on puns some weight. I don't see puns not walking to an easy win without it.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Hey einstein how about we don't sling votes instantly today

If I get hammered, well, I made the wrong call (looking at the clears it's basically impossible, though) but my vote is locked in, so no real reason to put it off.
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Lopen I hope you realize if you're town that when I get hammered this play by you is a hundred million times worse than me lynching cam

Anyway it's my girlfriend's birthday, and we just got home, so I'm unavailable right now. Day was supposed to start last night but what can ya do

Take 2 seconds to pull your head out of your ass and realize voting right now makes negative sense

If you're scum, by all means continue

Like do you really wanna get instagibbed by a SBell Sheep team today and actually try to defend yourself from that post game

If you're town and there are two scum left who is the scum team if I'm also town?

Sbell + Sheep is not viable
Sbell + Ulti is not viable (another part of your vote post that was suspicious-- you saying "well if you guys are the scumteam you did well!" when it's impossible)

I feel completely fine here, thanks.
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You realize if Sheep is town, which you are now pushing, then your reason for calling me scum makes NO sense at all. Because that means it would be town/town yesterday and I lynched the player who I felt, if both were town, was more likely to be lynched if the other flipped town first.

You're majorly contradicting yourself there.

Like you didn't even wait to see who I called scum today or anything.

And furthermore by playing this way you are pretty much strongarming me into viewing you as scum.

So again.

If you're town, you're striking out so hard here.

You didn't do it to save your scumbuddy you did it because you don't have a scumbuddy and you needed a roadmap to an easy finish. Cam => Sheep => Lopen is much easier than Sheep => Cam => Lopen because Cam wasn't necessarily an autolynch because Lopen wasn't totally sold on Cam.

Anyway just go hang out with your girlfriend if you're not going to do something that isn't fearmonger me. Like you wanna share your scumspects just do it instead of complaining about me not caring about seeing em.
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If you're town you should see me as scum. Look at that list up there. I have to be scum if there are two scum left. That's just basic solving.
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Like say all you want, rake me over the coals and we'll hash it out but for fucks sake unvote

Lopen being willing to let himself get lynched over me? Colour me actually shocked. I'm absolutely fucking clueless about this game right now. I'm not lynching Ulti today, or Lopen, barring some freaky revelation, but yesterday I was fairly sold on Puns as Town too.

If Lopen is scum here in a two, he has NO reason to not vote me right now. Like, that's an easy cleanup, and he's been pushing me for the last two days. I imagine I'd be the top target for most everyone else?

On the other hand, if there's just one scum left maybe it is Lopen as Godfather? I've felt very good about him the last two days though, and I'd take SBell as godfather first, plus being optimistic and banking on one scum would probably be a disaster. This could be the ballsy play as solo scum to try and get me into F3 with him and someone else, because as it stands if he lynches me today he's probably the lynch tomorrow? Then again I've thought I've been the lynch the past two days and before today went up too, so I'm perhaps a bit paranoid about why scum have let me live, unless it's mostly been Town voting others and Lopen is scum. Anyways, I don't think Lopen is ever scum with SBell for reasons I outlined yesterday, and Lopen would be a little silly to push Puns today if they were on a team. Therefore Lopen/Ulti is the only scum team I think is likely for Lopen to be in, and I've said many a time I think Ulti is town, although I may need to reconsider at this stage.

Also the fact that me and Ulti have both been around should prove that an Ulti/Sheep team is literally impossible. I would still suggest unvoting for now on the possibility there's a SBell/Ulti scum team though, because there's nothing shittier than losing to a quickhammer.

Puns, what do you think the motivation behind Lopen voting you is? Do you think he's solo scum, is he bad town, or is there some other justification?
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Lopen posted...

Cam => Sheep => Lopen is much easier than Sheep => Cam => Lopen because Cam wasn't necessarily an autolynch because Lopen wasn't totally sold on Cam.

Well alright I guess you and I are done then.

I hope it's as clear to the rest of you guys that Lopen is doing the "I'm digging my heels into the fact the game is narrow, all my reasoning is going to be centered around the 'I know I'm town and scum chose all their behaviors based around me'" shtick

Oh and she made a pit stop on the way home so I just beat here home by a bit is all

Does this mean that we can permanently cross off Ulti/Sheep and SBell/Lopen as possible scumteam? Only 8 more combinations to rule out until we brute force the game!
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If it's clear, lynch me! I just gave you guys the flowchart up there. No 2 man scumteam that doesn't include me makes any sense. The answer is there's only one scum. If you think there are two and lynch me, that's fine. But if you think there are actually two you should never not lynch me.
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Lopen posted...

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
Ulti = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared

Group C
SBell = scan cleared + flavor cleared

This is important.

Group B is me alone. You can't have me with SBell then you'd have two godfathers. You also can't have any combination of 2 from any of you four because you're all flavor cleared. Two flavor godfathers? Give me a break.
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So because I'm town, the answer is there's only one mafia left.

Because there's only one mafia left, puns makes the most sense by far with his moves the past few days, his early fruitless miller claim, and general coasting on "I'm BUSY GUYS"
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The thing is, flavour can be misinterpreted in a way that alignment scans cannot.
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I'm going to go back and look at the flavour scan thingies tomorrow, hopefully. It's ridiculously late/early and I need to sleep before it gets too light outside.
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I think if you've got a strong theme in the scumteam and scans that are clearly not in that theme it's effectively a flavor godfather. I would chastise Han's balancing if any of those flavor scans were town at this point.
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And by town I mean scum

Sorry scumslip 4 scum are remaining we're doomed
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924290100
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924290846
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924289604

Here are the old vote total posts I made.

Frankly there isn't a lot to glean from the last two days. Looking like a lot of town + town lynches. Makes sense if you've got one scum left though.

(4) Cam: (Ulti), SBell, Sheep, Ulti, puns
(3) Sheep: Lopen, 5tar, (Cam), Cam

And

Lea(4): (Lopen), (Ulti), (Sheep), (5tar), (puns), Cam, Sheep, (puns), (Ulti), Ben, puns
Sheep(3): (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea), (Ben), Sbell, (Lopen), (Lea), Lea, Lopen
Cam(1): (Ulti), (Lea), (Ulti), (Lea), (Ulti), (Lea), (Lea), Ulti
SBell(0): (puns), (Lopen), (Sheep), (Lopen), (puns)
Lopen(0): (Sheep), (Cam)

Only real point of interest regarding vote logs on Pun's case is that Death and Puns jumped on opposite lynches on the town/town day 3 at about the same time, likely one of the votes is reactive to keep the scum split on lynches-- will be interested to follow his logic for voting on Lolo there.
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I think Puns is scum and there's one scum left

Ergo all the rest of you must be town. I think if you think two scum is possible you have to lynch me today. It's the only lynch that makes sense.

By the way I think you're overestimating the amount of town power-- particularly considering we arguably had two flavor millers. Corrik's ability only saves someone one night so Corrik + Lolo isn't really that good, and I'd probably rather have an actual doctor that can stop kills
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UltimaterializerX posted...

It's why two godfathers in whatever alignment you want plus the backup isn't impossible anymore. A 5 man mafia team against all that is insanely skewed against the mafia team, and I trust Han to understand things like this given how good a player he is and how this game sat around for ten years.

You can't have a 5 man mafia team and two godfathers + backup

Why? Because 4 mafia have flipped LOL

Don't overthink it. If there are two godfathers + backup it's a 6 mafia team.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I could have sworn Corrik said his role was infinite, which is why he suspected Lolo. He brought up the soft lock.

He did then he corrected himself after host confirm. Otherwise he would've tried to play the soft lock since Corrik hit Lolo with a protect one of the nights.
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Is a 6 man team with 2 (3 with backup?) godfathers balanced to you, with 2 flavor millers? Sounds too strong in favor of mafia to me.

5 man team with one godfather I think is plausible. Amusingly I could see the role working like Puns was claiming Lea's role would work, where you choose the flavor of your godfather and Puns chose that author as a pocket survivor claim or something when he scans as scum. I dunno. That may be reaching a bit. 2 scum really doesn't make sense though. Like, I said the only plausible combinations of two man teams involve me-- but I'm also cleared by cop scan, meaning it'd have to be godfather + flavor godfather if you go that route. So you need to kill me, in any case.

Anyway I'm mostly on the idea that two flavor godfathers is stupid. Well that and I KNOW I'M TOWN but yeah. Two flavor godfathers would make our flavor scanner more of a liability than anything considering Doom + Voldemort, so I'm discarding that as a possibility. One perfect godfather seems likely, all things considered.
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5+1 is also viable though

Does anyone want to claim survivor I swear I won't lynch you
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So here's where I'm currently at. By sheer math, lack of a current hammer, and process of elimination, Lopen and/or Stu has to be scum if there are two mafia left.

Also seriously? How is and/or Puns not on this process of elimination? Scum can't hammer scum!
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Come on. Reread the vote he made

Consider

1. He's been defending Cam all game
2. He knows I didn't consider Cam autolynch and with him
3. Explicitly says sheep is more likely to be scum
4. Panders to you and SBell
5. Humors you and SBell as scum when he himself earlier pointed out how dumb two godfathers + backup would be

He did the exact same thing with Lea the previous day too. He's been lynching the easy flowchart targets and explaining it away with probabilities and excuses rather than conviction they're scum.

This is not a guy who is solving the game.

Throw in the pointless early miller claim and redlike excuse idling tendencies. Name anyone he's tried to get lynched this game.

He's clearly the guy
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Sorry phone.

2. Knows I didn't consider Cam autolynch so with him + me + Cam Cam wasn't autolynch
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Also notice that despite having no time today he spent half an hour flailing at me to remove the vote

He could spend that time saying who he thought was scum since he said he wanted to do that. Any opening thoughts

This is a man who had no gameplan of how to finish the game through finding scum. This is a man who wanted to just go sheep->lopen->home. Very easy. With you and SBell here putting me last is very simple. With sheep on table after Voldemort flips, that's also very simple. That's why lynching Voldemort first was so important.

Another reason 5 scum with this setup is viable if you assume Sheep is town. Harry Potter claim with Voldemort on the field as town is such a trap lynch.
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