Current Events > I didn't watch the Dem debate last night, but I heard Biden got curb stomped

(+) Yeah! (+)

What are the highlights? That sounds juicy.
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Harris made it her goal to make Biden look like shit and she succeeded
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Miraculously he'll win the nomination regardless.

And I'll still vote for him.
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Yang gave everyone 1000 bucks and they all pledged support for him.
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DarkRoast posted...

he'll win the nomination regardless.

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Harris laid into him for opposing bussing back in the 70s, Biden said he only opposed it because it should've been left to the states, Harris shot back that if we punted those issues to the states we would never have passed the Civil Rights Act

in a nutshell

TomNook20 posted...

Yang gave everyone 1000 bucks and they all pledged support for him.

He wants UBI, right?

I agree that we need to start talking about moving to that system. Though I feel like there needs to be some kind of incremental process.

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Harris made it her goal to make Biden look like shit and she succeeded

Harris? That seems out of left field. Love it.
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Harris made it her goal to make Biden look like shit and she succeeded

nah, she failed spectacularly because Biden already looked like shit. You can't make shit look worse than shit, it's already shit. I had always said this would happen ever since Biden got completely fucking clowned on by Paul Ryan in 2012.
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treewojima posted...

Harris laid into him for opposing bussing back in the 70s, Biden said he only opposed it because it should've been left to the states, Harris shot back that if we punted those issues to the states we would never have passed the Civil Rights Act

in a nutshell

She's right. Biden's Wrong. If he can't admit that then fuck him.
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ZMythos posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Harris made it her goal to make Biden look like shit and she succeeded

Harris? That seems out of left field. Love it.

Harris needs to win over Bidens supporters in order to win the nomination. Shes not going to win by forming a progressive coalition.
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ZMythos posted...

He wants UBI, right?

I agree that we need to start talking about moving to that system. Though I feel like there needs to be some kind of incremental process.

I don't think even Yang thinks he has a chance of winning...he's mainly just getting his ideas out there. It will be a long time before America is open to UBI.
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He said the first thing he'd do in office was beat Trump. After that it just went further down senility hill.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I don't think even Yang thinks he has a chance of winning...he's mainly just getting his ideas out there. It will be a long time before America is open to UBI.

Agreed on both parts.
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ZMythos posted...

I agree that we need to start talking about moving to that system.

What on Earth makes you think that? You are aware that experiments with UBI routinely fail, right?
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ZMythos posted...

He wants UBI, right?

I agree that we need to start talking about moving to that system. Though I feel like there needs to be some kind of incremental process.

Yang is like 50-100 years in the future imo. We're definitely going to get to the point where UBI is necessary with automation (once the machines fix machines it's donezo) but we aren't there yet. I guess it's good he's talking about it now and getting the idea out there.
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friendbuddypal posted...

What on Earth makes you think that?

Automation will eventually replace nearly every job.

friendbuddypal posted...

You are aware that experiments with UBI routinely fail, right?

There are both success stories and failures. That's kind of why they're called experiments.
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justaguy3492 posted...

Yang is like 50-100 years in the future imo. We're definitely going to get to the point where UBI is necessary with automation (once the machines fix machines it's donezo) but we aren't there yet. I guess it's good he's talking about it now and getting the idea out there.

The problem is that if we wait until the automation has taken over, people will be suffering while the system is still in its infancy.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Harris made it her goal to make Biden look like shit and she succeeded

nah, she failed spectacularly because Biden already looked like shit. You can't make shit look worse than shit, it's already shit. I had always said this would happen ever since Biden got completely fucking clowned on by Paul Ryan in 2012.

lol

Paul Ryan has never clowned on anyone outside of the right wingers that supported him
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ZMythos posted...

Automation will eventually replace nearly every job.

Source on this.
ZMythos posted...

There are both success stories and failures. That's kind of why they're called experiments

Name some successes.
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BillyKidd posted...

He said the first thing he'd do in office was beat Trump. After that it just went further down senility hill.

lol yeah that part was hilarious

Basically it was this:

"What would be your first action after beating Trump?"
"Beating Trump!"
"Ok. On to Mayor Buttigieg..."
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ZMythos posted...

friendbuddypal posted...

What on Earth makes you think that?

Automation will eventually replace nearly every job.

friendbuddypal posted...

You are aware that experiments with UBI routinely fail, right?

There are both success stories and failures. That's kind of why they're called experiments.

Youre replying to Hypno.

Who needs to shut the fuck up.
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friendbuddypal posted...

Source on this.

Reality.
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ZMythos posted...

friendbuddypal posted...

Source on this.

Reality.

Just the entire goal of automation.
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ZMythos posted...

friendbuddypal posted...

Source on this.

Reality.

Try again.
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The whole debate was a joke
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I still can't believe he invoked states rights. So stubbornly.

My god, all he had to do was apologize.
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hollow_shrine posted...

I still can't believe he invoked states rights. So stubbornly.

My god, all he had to do was apologize.

Yeah it was really stupid but Biden is digging his heels in rather than apologizing in general because otherwise this would just be an apology tour rather than a campaign.

Maybe if he hadnt been wrong so often he wouldnt need to be on the defensive so much
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John_Galt posted...

ZMythos posted...

friendbuddypal posted...

Source on this.

Reality.

Try again.

Yeah, Im sure companies are spending money on automation to not make their profit margins bigger by firing people.

Totally not the entire point of automation.
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Joe Biden has too strong of a record of supporting civil rights for something like this to take him out.

Dude (somewhat unintentionally) is responsible for the legalization of gay marriage, for one.
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DarkRoast posted...

Joe Biden has too strong of a record of supporting civil rights for something like this to take him out.

Dude (somewhat unintentionally) is responsible for the legalization of gay marriage, for one.

This won't take him out

But I will say he performed rather horribly

There was a way for him to defend his record, and that wasn't it.
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It's probably because I'm biased for Joe Biden, but honestly I think what Kamala Harris did to him was pretty dirty. It paints an incorrect picture of the kind of civil rights supporter he has consistently been.

That said, I agree with you that he easily could have gotten out of that question unscathed, and he totally blew it.

The bigger issue I'm concerned about is that the Democrats really like to play race and identity politics, but doing it against themselves is going to result in a lot of collateral damage. In case anyone forgot, Obama was rather strongly opposed to gay marriage just 10 years ago. He could easily be painted as homophobic, despite being instrumental in legalization of gay marriage.

Pretty much everybody has some quote or skeletons in their closet from long ago that, when measured by today's political climate, could be viewed as insensitive, racist, homophobic, etc. The GOP usually is so full of racists and things like that, they honestly don't care either way. But the Democrats make a huge deal out of it, and it's going to come and bite them hard if they don't tone this down on their own candidates.

This is the absolute last thing we need in an election that we desperately need to win.
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DarkRoast posted...

Joe Biden has too strong of a record of supporting civil rights for something like this to take him out.

This whole thing is about how his record isn't that strong. It's a bad record, even for his time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/11/opinion/biden-busing-integration.html
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DarkRoast posted...

Pretty much everybody has some quote or skeletons in their closet from long ago that, when measured by today's political climate, could be viewed as insensitive, racist, homophobic, etc. The GOP usually is so full of racists and things like that, they honestly don't care either way. But the Democrats make a huge deal out of it, and it's going to come and bite them hard if they don't tone this down on their own candidates.

But we Dems know this about ourselves. We know 'we care,' and supposedly aim to do better. So we know going into this we're going to get criticism for our past mistakes. You want to sell your candidacy to dems? You've got to anticipate the worst criticisms about your past and prepare an answer that convincingly apologizes for those mistakes and shows the audience how you've grown as a policymaker and won't make similar mistakes in the future. I'd expect any democratic candidate to have this skill down cold.

And when if we listen to the minorities who are most often the most loyal democrats, they'll tell you they've been waiting for a candidate to stand up for their issues for nearly fifty years. Every time someone gets up there who hasn't done their homework it's signal to them that things aren't really changing for them. There's no faster way to siphon enthusiasm from a campaign than to reveal that hand, and Biden keeps revealing that he's not really looking to change much of anything.

If he's not campaigning for change, why is he running? To have a fight with Trump? Harris can fight with Trump and she's got a clear progressive agenda. Why should one vote for her instead of you?
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What does Ubisoft have anything to do with this?
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VTBM posted...

What does Ubisoft have anything to do with this?

Assassin's Creed: Bussing
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DarkRoast posted...

This is the absolute last thing we need in an election that we desperately need to win.

Why does "we desperately need to win" always mean that it's progressives who need to cave and not the never Trumpers?
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Anteaterking posted...

DarkRoast posted...

This is the absolute last thing we need in an election that we desperately need to win.

Why does "we desperately need to win" always mean that it's progressives who need to cave and not the never Trumpers?

Because the socialist-style progressives are a fringe minority that have no chance of winning a national election at this point.

If the goal is to oust Trump, the clear path is to go with Biden. If the goal is a moral victory while enduring 4 more years of Trump, go with one of the progressives. There isn't another realistic option here.
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Trump got curb stomped every debate. It doesn't matter. Debates don't matter. Biden is the clear favorite.
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The Admiral posted...

Because the socialist-style progressives are a fringe minority that have no chance of winning a national election at this point.

If the goal is to oust Trump, the clear path is to go with Biden. If the goal is a moral victory while enduring 4 more years of Trump, go with one of the progressives. There isn't another realistic option here.

What is your argument for this exactly?
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Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

Because the socialist-style progressives are a fringe minority that have no chance of winning a national election at this point.

If the goal is to oust Trump, the clear path is to go with Biden. If the goal is a moral victory while enduring 4 more years of Trump, go with one of the progressives. There isn't another realistic option here.

What is your argument for this exactly?

Obviously all those Bernie supporters are only doing it ironically. And all that Warren support is just a reporting error.

I'm 100% throwing my trust behind vaunted political analyst (and totally not Conservative apologist) The Admiral, whose insights on democratic politics have (apparently) been nothing short of prophetic.

If this sounds overly caustic, take comfort. The New York Times has given spicier takes.
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hollow_shrine posted...

I'm 100% throwing my trust behind vaunted political analyst (and totally not Conservative apologist) The Admiral, whose insights on democratic politics have (apparently) been nothing short of prophetic.

You should, given how wrong you and most of this board were in 2016.

I didn't personally think Trump would win, but I said he had a real chance and told you exactly what would have to happen for him to win. And it's exactly what did happen. You guys all embarrassingly laughed that off and did everything up to implying that I was an idiot for thinking he had any chance

Like it or not, my views are much closer to the general American public than most of CE. Many of you guys are way to the left of the voting public, and you'd be well served by recognizing that.
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lilORANG posted...

Trump got curb stomped every debate. It doesn't matter. Debates don't matter. Biden is the clear favorite.

Trump dominated every debate.
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I didnt think Trump would win but you Dems need to put up another candidate most similar to the only person Trump could have possibly beat.

Thanks for the advice, Republicans. No one cares.
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

I didnt think Trump would win but you Dems need to put up another candidate most similar to the only person Trump could have possibly beat.

Thanks for the advice, Republicans. No one cares.

What are you talking about

I'm sure these Pepsi executives are giving advice to Coca Cola in good faith
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

I didnt think Trump would win but you Dems need to put up another candidate most similar to the only person Trump could have possibly beat.

Thanks for the advice, Republicans. No one cares.

Okay. Enjoy continuing to take L's and 4 more years of TDS.
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Ok, enjoy saying stupid shit on CE
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It's good to know that whoever wins the 2020 election that the country still kind of sucks.
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