Current Events > UK's new doctors get paid $28,000 / year

(+) Yeah! (+)

That's certainly one way for the NHS to save money
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That seens criminally low.
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pikachupwnage posted...

That seens criminally low.

There are stories of some doctors quitting to become restaurant managers instead.
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My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.
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Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's really messed up.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's really messed up.

Yeah what's worst it was just the one where they use ultrasound to destroy the stone. So there were no knives involved.

And after the operation they said it went well. But my gran told us the doctor was being every rough with the equipment inserted down her throat.

She was in a lot of pain and was very very thirsty in those 3 days. She wasn't allowed water.

And then she passed. She didn't even get to tell us her last words. We visited her very frequently thinking she's going to recover. But it had to be when we were away to get something to eat. We got the call and she was already in the icu unconscious and died shortly after.

Didn't even get to tell us any last words.
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Doctors in America work for free for their residency though

DarkRoast posted...

That's certainly one way for the NHS to save money

It's between $35k and $47k depending on speciality. Average in USA is $51k

knutjob posted...

DarkRoast posted...

That's certainly one way for the NHS to save money

It's between $35k and $47k depending on speciality. Average in USA is $51k

You specialize after 5-10 years of Junior status

In the USA you specialize right out of medical school
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DarkRoast posted...

knutjob posted...

DarkRoast posted...

That's certainly one way for the NHS to save money

It's between $35k and $47k depending on speciality. Average in USA is $51k

You specialize after 5-10 years of Junior status

In the USA you specialize right out of medical school

It is 3 years

DarkRoast posted...

knutjob posted...

DarkRoast posted...

That's certainly one way for the NHS to save money

It's between $35k and $47k depending on speciality. Average in USA is $51k

You specialize after 5-10 years of Junior status

In the USA you specialize right out of medical school

Medical school is shorter in the UK/Canada though - you don't do 4 years of undergrad, you go straight into it (4 versus 8)

This is why there has been an influx of young UK doctors going to other countries.

Australia for example has had a ton of qualified young doctors turn up just due to higher pay

It's a bad play by the UK. Saving money in the short term but in the long term losing some of its most skilled citizens.
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Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.
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Are med school loans in the UK just as bad as here? It could balance out if they don't have to repay as much money over the course of their career for an average medical education.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.

Sure is but even low paid doctors in Australia earn 50,000

That's nearly double the 26,614 they will earn in the UK.

And a lot of the doctors will quickly end up earning more than 50k in Australia.

A lot of people would happily move to somewhere shit for double pay. Especially if that gets them out of debt/relying on loans
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They don't get paid in dollars tho.
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I thought Pounds were worth a lot more than dollars, but 28,000 pounds is only $35,530.40

What happened?
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SocialistGamer posted...

They don't get paid in dollars tho.

Yeah TC is being intentionally misleading. They get paid in pounds sterling so 26 grand is more like $35 grand
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UnfairRepresent posted...

SocialistGamer posted...

They don't get paid in dollars tho.

Yeah TC is being intentionally misleading. They get paid in pounds sterling so 26 grand is more like $35 grand

>_>

Was that somehow supposed to sound like better compensation for that line of work?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.

Sure is but even low paid doctors in Australia earn 50,000

That's nearly double the 26,614 they will earn in the UK.

And a lot of the doctors will quickly end up earning more than 50k in Australia.

A lot of people would happily move to somewhere shit for double pay. Especially if that gets them out of debt/relying on loans

Yeah and the cost of living here is barely going to cover it.

Combined my wife and I earn $170,000 a year. We are below average earners in Australia.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I thought Pounds were worth a lot more than dollars, but 28,000 pounds is only $35,530.40

What happened?

UK economy is 2 trillion in debt and Brexit is not helping matters at all.

Pound is slipping
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I make more than 3x that, lmao

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.
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My thought is that if someone is paid to literally save and preserve lives, they should be paid accordingly.

It requires a lot of study and it's certainly not something everyone is cut out for so for those that demonstrate it, they should be adequately compensated for having such an aptitude.

I'm more than willing to argue this point against people who live in nations where healthcare is provided for by the state. I'm open-minded about this but, from my point of view, the medically educated deserve large salaries.
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darkjedilink posted...

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.

What a dumb post.

No one wants doctors to be underpaid in America, they want decent healthcare for everyone in America.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.

What a dumb post.

No one wants doctors to be underpaid in America, they want decent healthcare for everyone in America.

Which the government cannot provide. They can't even provide it for the US military.
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darkjedilink posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.

What a dumb post.

No one wants doctors to be underpaid in America, they want decent healthcare for everyone in America.

Which the government cannot provide. They can't even provide it for the US military.

Well that can be faulted to shitty bureaucracy and people at the top constantly trying to whittle down the VA. It's not that the government can't provide adequate veteran medical care but that they actively fight it.
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darkjedilink posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.

What a dumb post.

No one wants doctors to be underpaid in America, they want decent healthcare for everyone in America.

Which the government cannot provide. They can't even provide it for the US military.

Why not?

The US is currently paying more per head for a much lower standard of medical services.

The reason why it can't provide for the US miltiary is bloated insane military contracts were we are paying billions to arms companies for things like $80 per screw.

You're going "We can't provide a decent sevice because our current service is so utterly shit. Sorry, hands tied."

That doesn't make sense.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

darkjedilink posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I make more than that with my base salary as a pest control tech. No college, either.

And to think that people want that in America.

What a dumb post.

No one wants doctors to be underpaid in America, they want decent healthcare for everyone in America.

Which the government cannot provide. They can't even provide it for the US military.

Why not?

The US is currently paying more per head for a much lower standard of medical services.

The reason why it can't provide for the US miltiary is bloated insane military contracts were we are paying billions to arms companies for things like $80 per screw.

You're going "We can't provide a decent sevice because our current service is so utterly shit. Sorry, hands tied."

That doesn't make sense.

By what measure is the US medical system a 'lower standard?' Not wait times. Or access to treatment options. Or availability of services.

The only complaints are all cost related, and they're all entirely the fault of the US government.

Every proposed Medicare for All plan calls for hospitals to be reimbursed at the current Medicare rate. That means most hospitals will have to close, because they're already operating at razor-thin margins. Taking away half their income is a good thing, why, exactly?
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I bet djl imagines he's exterminating minorities and not insects
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Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

TreyFlowers posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.

Sure is but even low paid doctors in Australia earn 50,000

That's nearly double the 26,614 they will earn in the UK.

And a lot of the doctors will quickly end up earning more than 50k in Australia.

A lot of people would happily move to somewhere shit for double pay. Especially if that gets them out of debt/relying on loans

Yeah and the cost of living here is barely going to cover it.

Combined my wife and I earn $170,000 a year. We are below average earners in Australia.

No you aren't. That's nearly 3x the median household income.

darkjedilink posted...

. That means most hospitals will have to close, because they're already operating at razor-thin margins.

except those margins are driven sharply down by medical bankruptcy declarations which would be ended in a single-payer system
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Sackgurl posted...

darkjedilink posted...

. That means most hospitals will have to close, because they're already operating at razor-thin margins.

except those margins are driven sharply down by medical bankruptcy declarations which would be ended in a single-payer system

So, that's magically going to give them double the pay the government will?
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please stop letting darkjedilink derail the topic
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Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

28K is an embarrassment. Certainly not worth the time commitment and soul sucking nature that then medical training comes with
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Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Wait... are you claiming that more than 50% of people who graduate from medical school don't find a residency? I'd love to see the data to back that up...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Wait... are you claiming that more than 50% of people who graduate from medical school don't find a residency? I'd love to see the data to back that up...

@DarkRoast how does it really work? Can a dude with a 2.6 or 3.0 GPA successfully get into med school? Can somebody who gets a 3.0 or 2.6 GPA get admitted to a residency?

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Wait... are you claiming that more than 50% of people who graduate from medical school don't find a residency? I'd love to see the data to back that up...

@DarkRoast how does it really work? Can a dude with a 2.6 or 3.0 GPA successfully get into med school? Can somebody who gets a 3.0 or 2.6 GPA get admitted to a residency?

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting into bed school with a GPA in the 2's.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Doctors in America work for free for their residency though

If that was true, I would have quit residency.

I am glad my hospital pays higher than average compare to other programs especially in NYC.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Doctors in America work for free for their residency though

If that was true, I would have quit residency.

I am glad my hospital pays higher than average compare to other programs especially in NYC.

We make less than minimum wage per hour, but we do get paid
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Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Wait... are you claiming that more than 50% of people who graduate from medical school don't find a residency? I'd love to see the data to back that up...

Carribean schools take anyone, so they would take 1000+ students which in turn a big percentage of those don't match to get a spot.

https://mk0nrmpcikgb8jxyd19h.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/NRMP-Results-and-Data-2019_04112019_final.pdf

31% went unmatched this year, reference on page 43
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My friend is getting 50k a year for his residency. idk what hobo hospital those docs are working at to get paid minimum lol
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NeonOctopus posted...

My friend is getting 50k a year for his residency. idk what hobo hospital those docs are working at to get paid minimum lol

When you work 100ish hours/week, it adds up to around $8-9/hr
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megamanfreakXD posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

My grandma died from a simple gall bladder stone removal operation.

Left her with internal bleeding for 3 days and didn't know until she ended up in icu and died.

Then they just blamed it on her old age.

That's NHS for you. Especially when they import cheap doctors from outside the country. I went to the hospital to get a suspicious looking mole removed. I could hardly understand what they were saying. And they do not treat you with care. They are just there for the paycheck.

You are just a pig on the operating table.

I have so many rants about the state of US health care because of what you just said.

You have to have like a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, you need to do pre-med (or something like that) before studying medicine, then you need to slave away at residences so you can get your license, but behold, you must have a very, very high GPA to get accepted by a hospital for residency, and when you do prepare to be poor for a while.

You have to jump through so many hoops to be a doctor, and when you finally get to be one, youre already a callous asshole in many occasions.

Why? Meanwhile they import doctors from third world countries who were able to study medicine right after high school, and they didnt need 4.0 GPAs to be able to study medicine or 4.0 GPA med school to get a residency. These doctors often have terrible bedside manner.

Why not just make it easier for local people to become doctors instead?

Though the US healthcare system has many flaws, requiring a "4.0 GPA" isn't one of them. If you are talking about the top 5% of med schools, MAYBE, but most rank in the high 2.0s to high 3.0s, especially at some of the for profit medical schools (lower standards of entry).
From my understanding/experience of medical school systems in UK/Asia (the latter model is based off the former), BECAUSE medicine has the same time line as law/engineering/etc, there are LOT more applicants.. so the GPA DO need to be higher.

Yeah an Caribbean med schools too. Good luck getting a residency if you come from those.

Law and medicine in the US suck because if you dont go to a top tier school you technically have a degree but you will never get a job

Wait... are you claiming that more than 50% of people who graduate from medical school don't find a residency? I'd love to see the data to back that up...

Carribean schools take anyone, so they would take 1000+ students which in turn a big percentage of those don't match to get a spot.

https://mk0nrmpcikgb8jxyd19h.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/NRMP-Results-and-Data-2019_04112019_final.pdf

31% went unmatched this year, reference on page 43

Wow!

Also, why is studying medicine in say, Canada or France not valid but Caribbean schools are?

DarkRoast posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

My friend is getting 50k a year for his residency. idk what hobo hospital those docs are working at to get paid minimum lol

When you work 100ish hours/week, it adds up to around $8-9/hr

Ouch. You might as well work 90 hours a week in McDonalds, thats so unfair

knutjob posted...

TreyFlowers posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.

Sure is but even low paid doctors in Australia earn 50,000

That's nearly double the 26,614 they will earn in the UK.

And a lot of the doctors will quickly end up earning more than 50k in Australia.

A lot of people would happily move to somewhere shit for double pay. Especially if that gets them out of debt/relying on loans

Yeah and the cost of living here is barely going to cover it.

Combined my wife and I earn $170,000 a year. We are below average earners in Australia.

No you aren't. That's nearly 3x the median household income.

https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/036

Median weekly income is $1438

Ours combined is roughly $2200 after tax, $3200 before tax

But the average weekly wage for full time workers was $1567.90 in the last financial year.
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Australia is a shit place to move to. This is coming from an australian.

Sure is but even low paid doctors in Australia earn 50,000

That's nearly double the 26,614 they will earn in the UK.

And a lot of the doctors will quickly end up earning more than 50k in Australia.

A lot of people would happily move to somewhere shit for double pay. Especially if that gets them out of debt/relying on loans

Yeah and the cost of living here is barely going to cover it.

Combined my wife and I earn $170,000 a year. We are below average earners in Australia.

No you aren't. That's nearly 3x the median household income.

https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/036

Median weekly income is $1438

Ours combined is roughly $2200 after tax, $3200 before tax

But the average weekly wage for full time workers was $1567.90 in the last financial year.

You never said you both work full time