Current Events > More info on that i1639 bill Washington state passed.

(+) Yeah! (+)

-The Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA have filed federal lawsuits.

-An assault rifle under the new law is any rifle that uses gas to load a new cartridge into the chamber. So essentially any modern sporting rifle.

-Exemptions include smooth-bore shotguns, bolt, lever, and slide action rifles.

-AR pistols are exempt, as they're considered pistols.

-Anyone currently under 21 that owns a rifle is allowed to keep the rifle, but they cannot take it out of their residence unless it's to sell it.

-Anyone under 21 cannot hunt with a semiautomatic rifle anymore either.

-Safe storage guidelines:
There are none. No guidelines have been posted or disclosed as to how or where a firearm must be stored inside a property.

-If a gun is deemed reasonably stored but was still stolen, you're not considered at fault. But, no definitions are in place as to what qualifies as safe storage.

-Safe storage violations can lead from gross misdemeanor, all the way to class C felony. Remember, no guidelines are in place that define adequate gun storage.

-Mandatory 10 day waiting period applies to all gun sales. This includes sales to members of police, federal agents, and licensed concealed carry holders.

-If you are deemed ineligible to own firearms as part of the annual background check, your firearms will be confiscated.

-Safety training course is mandatory, and there are no exceptions. Those with police or military training are not exempt. Must be renewed every 5 years. No current approved material for the class exists. All that is needed is a signed paper from a licensed firearms instructor. This course can be taken online, and certificates can be mailed to those that attended the online course.

-Failure to renew this training course can lead to confiscation.

-Lifetime waiver of medical records. Health care facilities will provide all relevant information needed for the annual background check.

-As of yet, there are no set parameters that disqualify a person from firearm ownership. Case by case basis shall apply.

-Firearms purchased outside the state are permitted to cross state lines.

-Visitors cannot purchase, or have a semi auto rifle transferred out of the state to their home state.

-Rifles purchased online cannot be transferred into Washington state, unless the distributor of the rifle is in the state as well.
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Malcrasternus posted...

AR pistols

What even is that?

Malcrasternus posted...

-Mandatory 10 day waiting period applies to all gun sales.

Malcrasternus posted...

Safety training course is mandatory, and there are no exceptions. Those with police or military training are not exempt. Must be renewed every 5 years

Very nice.
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Umbreon posted...

Very nice.

It's arguable that the 2nd Amendment wants training, or at least strongly encourages it.

Good
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Malcrasternus posted...

-Exemptions include smooth-bore shotguns, bolt, lever, and slide action rifles.

Good. My Howell is exempt
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Good. Fuck those two federations filing lawsuits
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SH_expert44 posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

-Exemptions include smooth-bore shotguns, bolt, lever, and slide action rifles.

Good. My Howell is exempt

What about... a half-gauge punt gun?

Muh gunz
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

AR pistols

What even is that?

An AR-15 with a barrel less than 16 inches, overall length less than 26 inches(I think), but has no traditional stock. Essentially smaller, more compact AR-15's are going to become more common. Especially since the lower receiver to an AR is also not considered a rifle, and is exempt.

Umbreon posted...

Very nice.

@Umbreon
How so? Gun rights are being stripped from those that can be sent off to war, from those that don't attend a class with no set curriculum, or if the state simply decides something you did disqualifies you of firearm ownership. No qualifying offenses are listed.

PatrickMahomes posted...

Good. Fuck those two federations filing lawsuits

@PatrickMahomes
This system is doing away with the current system in which your information is checked against a national database for crimes. The new system has the application mailed into local law enforcement, and in turn they have ten days to perform the check. Should they fail to meet this deadline, current laws that i1639 don't change say that if an application expires, the applicant is granted ownership of the firearm, regardless of the background check results.
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Malcrasternus posted...

How so? Gun rights are being stripped from those that can be sent off to war, from those that don't attend a class with no set curriculum, or if the state simply decides something you did disqualifies you of firearm ownership. No qualifying offenses are listed.

Yeah... the 21 kinda thing pisses me off too.
Are you an adult at 18, or not?

Malcrasternus posted...

Safe storage guidelines:
There are none. No guidelines have been posted or disclosed as to how or where a firearm must be stored inside a property.

There's a glaring issue if there ever was one
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Bloodychess posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Safe storage guidelines:
There are none. No guidelines have been posted or disclosed as to how or where a firearm must be stored inside a property.

There's a glaring issue if there ever was one

There's some lawyer bait, right here.

Bloodychess posted...

There's a glaring issue if there ever was one

But hey, we got 10 day waiting periods.

Because murderous intent eventually fades.
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Malcrasternus posted...

Bloodychess posted...

There's a glaring issue if there ever was one

But hey, we got 10 day waiting periods.

Because murderous intent eventually fades.

What's the waiting period on bigass knives?

None, to my knowledge. Knives are pretty pimp, so they get a pass.

Also, important note that some firearms that would need this new system has been held back another year, because agencies all around the state said they simply don't have the resources to process the amount of guns usually sold in Washington. >_>
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Mandatory 10 day waiting period applies to all gun sales. This includes sales to members of police, federal agents, and licensed concealed carry holders.

-If you are deemed ineligible to own firearms as part of the annual background check, your firearms will be confiscated.

-Safety training course is mandatory, and there are no exceptions. Those with police or military training are not exempt. Must be renewed every 5 years. No current approved material for the class exists. All that is needed is a signed paper from a licensed firearms instructor. This course can be taken online, and certificates can be mailed to those that attended the online course.

-Failure to renew this training course can lead to confiscation.

-Lifetime waiver of medical records. Health care facilities will provide all relevant information needed for the annual background check.

All this sounds great

Dunsworthy posted...

Safety training course is mandatory, and there are no exceptions.

This is actually, not the worst thing the world. The rest is kinda iffy.

Let's look, for a bit, at the Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There's actually three parts to this, but the left only sees the first, while the right only sees the third. For some reason, they both ignore the middle.

A well regulated Militia
being necessary to the security of a free State
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Couldnt someone argue that if one couldnt pass a background check or mental checks, then one wouldnt be fit to be in a well-regulated militia?
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Couldnt one argue that if one couldnt pass a background check or mental checks, then one wouldnt be fit to be in a well-regulated militia?

Probably, but that last part may or may not override it.

If you're a felon or a loon, you really shouldn't have a gun.

Does the 2nd amendments "arms" really mean just guns though? Should I have gotten a background check for that bigass knife, or the trebuchet I may or may not be building in my back yard?

Questionmarktarius posted...

This is actually, not the worst thing the world. The rest is kinda iffy

It's all iffy, once you realize what the curriculum is.

That is, there aren't any. The state hasn't produced any sort of guidelines as to what actually needs to be taught. You can literally just be handed a certificate by someone that the state recognizes without any actual rules or training, and you're good for 5 years.
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Malcrasternus posted...

You can literally just be handed a certificate by someone that the state recognizes without any actual rules or training, and you're good for 5 years.

So it's meaningless bullshit just meant to collect revenue via fees, huh?

Malcrasternus posted...

Gun rights are being stripped from those that can be sent off to war, from those that don't attend a class with no set curriculum, or if the state simply decides something you did disqualifies you of firearm ownership. No qualifying offenses are listed.

Did I misread or misunderstood something?

I do agree that they need to fill in the details, but I have no problem with mandstory training. Too many idiots with guns accidentally kill people because of basic ass mistakes that even five minutes on Google could correct(and actual training is better than just reading up on it).

I imagine violent felonies will disqualify one from being able to purchase a gun, which I have no issue with. Someone who commits armed robbery doesn't need to be armed again anytime soon.
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Umbreon posted...

Did I misread or misunderstood something?

You can't have a gun in WA if you're younger than 21. If you've already got one, you can't take it out of your house.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

You can literally just be handed a certificate by someone that the state recognizes without any actual rules or training, and you're good for 5 years.

So it's meaningless bullshit just meant to collect revenue via fees, huh?

Now you're getting it. And get people to sign away their HIPAA protections.

I admit that I'm biased against this initiative. I just don't see the good in any of the proposed changes, and when even the state has to roll back some of it for a year out of fear that they'll be overwhelmed, it just paints this picture of clear incompetence.
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Malcrasternus posted...

clear incompetence

But... that's the whole west coast, though, give or take northern California.

Ah. Yeah that's a bit silly.

Should be able to legally own a gun at 18, providing you're sane with no record. If they want to make it 21 like with drinking, then the legal age to enlist should be 21 as well. Makes no logical sense you can die for your country before you can legally have alcohol or buy a gun.
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Umbreon posted...

Makes no logical sense you can die for your country before you can legally have alcohol or buy a gun.

Staggered adulthood is utter bullshit, give or take a few clauses in the constitution.
Even then, it doesn't really serve much purpose.

Umbreon posted...

Did I misread or misunderstood something?

Yes, clearly, if you see no problem with:

Malcrasternus posted...

It's all iffy, once you realize what the curriculum is.

That is, there aren't any. The state hasn't produced any sort of guidelines as to what actually needs to be taught. You can literally just be handed a certificate by someone that the state recognizes without any actual rules or training, and you're good for 5 years.

Fill in the details? Are you serious? These are firearms we're talking about. And the state just decided to do away with a national resource, opting to do it by hand essentially, and not even bother to write out a safety rules outline for firearm instructors to pass onto the public. The fact that safety training was an afterthought, or worse yet, encouraged to be a pay for attendance course that you need to have to buy a semi-auto is Trump-level stupid.

Edit:
Just saw your recent post. Sorry Umbreon. Hope I'm not being too antagonistic.

This shit's just. . . frustrating.
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I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state. Disappointed but not really surprised at some of these infringements
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Pitlord_Special posted...

I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state.

Come to Missouri. We have, uh, cows, and corn, and lead. Lots and lots of lead.
Good luck getting an abortion here, though.

Pitlord_Special posted...

I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state. Disappointed but not really surprised at some of these infringements

Its because Washington is a blue state for national elections but deeply divided on a state level. The entire east side of the state is red and there are bits and pieces along the west side that are red as well. The major cities are just blue and thats were the majority of the population lives.

Oregon is the same way, and why there was always the joke growing up that western Washington/Oregon should form a state and eastern Washington/Oregon should form a state.
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Nobody obey these laws. Rise up and say "I don't consent."
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@Questionmarktarius posted...

Pitlord_Special posted...

I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state.

Come to Missouri. We have, uh, cows, and corn, and lead. Lots and lots of lead.
Good luck getting an abortion here, though.

And caves I guess
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MarqueeSeries posted...

@Questionmarktarius posted...

Pitlord_Special posted...

I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state.

Come to Missouri. We have, uh, cows, and corn, and lead. Lots and lots of lead.
Good luck getting an abortion here, though.

And caves I guess

Also there's lead in the caves.
How the hell did Missouri get so much lead?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Missouri_Lead_District

Also we have fucktons of thorium and radon, for some reason.

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Nobody obey these laws. Rise up and say "I don't consent."

Yes, please do. Make sure you make your identity known as you do so as well so that the government knows you aren't fucking around
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Questionmarktarius posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

@Questionmarktarius posted...

Pitlord_Special posted...

I lived in WA for a couple years and was surprised how relaxed the gun laws were for a blue state.

Come to Missouri. We have, uh, cows, and corn, and lead. Lots and lots of lead.
Good luck getting an abortion here, though.

And caves I guess

Also there's lead in the caves.
How the hell did Missouri get so much lead?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Missouri_Lead_District

Also we have fucktons of thorium and radon, for some reason.

That's interesting. The bottom part of the lead district starts in the county right above where I live.

I also used to live on the edge of the Irish wilderness so that's double interesting
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the entire thing is a clusterfuck filled with blatant violations (not just related to the 2nd amendment), pointless stop gaps and purposely vague wording to trap as many gun owners as possible.

Just realized, none of those new laws apply to handguns. No class requirement, no 10 day waiting period, nothing. The only thing that changes is that the background check is done locally as well, so as soon as that clears, you're able to take the handgun home with you.

So basically, there's going to be no impact whatsoever on gun crimes in WA, because the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns.

My state is stupid.
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