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Antifar 06/20/19 3:47:24 PM #1:	https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-06-18/new-york-passes-law-allowing-undocumented-immigrants-to-obtain-drivers-licenses NEW YORK ON MONDAY passed a controversial bill that will allow immigrants in the country without legal status to obtain driver's licenses, making it the 13th state to have such a law on the books. The so-called Green Light bill has for months been met with fierce resistance from Republicans and has split the state's Democrats, catalysing a debate over illegal immigration and immigrant rights. The measure, which was approved by the state Assembly last week, passed the Senate Monday by a vote of 33 to 29 and was signed into law by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo later in the day. The state's scheduled legislative session ends Wednesday. Progressives in the state have pushed hard for the bill's passage but have encountered intense pushback from Republicans as well as Democrats who represent swing districts, in particular those in Long Island. Proponents say the measure will make the roads safer, drive down the cost of car insurance and generate revenue for the state. Opponents, however, say the measure will encourage illegal immigration and undermine the law. Public opinion is divided on the measure. A Siena College Research Institute poll conducted earlier this month found a slim majority of New Yorkers opposed the driver's license bill, while about 40 percent backed it. The measure's fate was uncertain for weeks and it appeared to be stalled as recently as last week, when the leader of the state Democratic Party, concerned about the political ramifications, urged suburban state senators not to back it, according to The New York Times. Republicans have already indicated they will make the measure a central issue during next year's elections. Cuomo, who has said he is a staunch supporter of the bill, on Monday surprised lawmakers and said he would only sign it if the state solicitor general felt there were enough protections to prevent federal immigration authorities from accessing immigrants' data through the DMV database. Attorney General Letitia James released a statement Monday night saying the measure contained "ample protections for those who apply for driver's licenses." The measure will impact some 940,000 immigrants in the country illegally who live in New York, according to an estimate from the non-profit Migration Policy Institute. The fight over driver's licenses stretches over the better part of two decades. Before 2001, driver's license applicants in the state were not required to prove citizenship. In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, then-Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, issued an order that required license applicants to have a social security number. In 2007, Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer said he would undo the policy, only to be met with fierce backlash that prompted him to abandon his promise. Hell yeah --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923601305] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-06-18/new-york-passes-law-allowing-undocumented-immigrants-to-obtain-drivers-licenses <quote>NEW YORK ON MONDAY passed a controversial bill that will allow immigrants in the country without legal status to obtain driver's licenses, making it the 13th state to have such a law on the books. The so-called Green Light bill has for months been met with fierce resistance from Republicans and has split the state's Democrats, catalysing a debate over illegal immigration and immigrant rights. The measure, which was approved by the state Assembly last week, passed the Senate Monday by a vote of 33 to 29 and was signed into law by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo later in the day. The state's scheduled legislative session ends Wednesday. Progressives in the state have pushed hard for the bill's passage but have encountered intense pushback from Republicans as well as Democrats who represent swing districts, in particular those in Long Island. Proponents say the measure will make the roads safer, drive down the cost of car insurance and generate revenue for the state. Opponents, however, say the measure will encourage illegal immigration and undermine the law. Public opinion is divided on the measure. A Siena College Research Institute poll conducted earlier this month found a slim majority of New Yorkers opposed the driver's license bill, while about 40 percent backed it. The measure's fate was uncertain for weeks and it appeared to be stalled as recently as last week, when the leader of the state Democratic Party, concerned about the political ramifications, urged suburban state senators not to back it, according to The New York Times. Republicans have already indicated they will make the measure a central issue during next year's elections. Cuomo, who has said he is a staunch supporter of the bill, on Monday surprised lawmakers and said he would only sign it if the state solicitor general felt there were enough protections to prevent federal immigration authorities from accessing immigrants' data through the DMV database. Attorney General Letitia James released a statement Monday night saying the measure contained "ample protections for those who apply for driver's licenses." The measure will impact some 940,000 immigrants in the country illegally who live in New York, according to an estimate from the non-profit Migration Policy Institute. The fight over driver's licenses stretches over the better part of two decades. Before 2001, driver's license applicants in the state were not required to prove citizenship. In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, then-Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, issued an order that required license applicants to have a social security number. In 2007, Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer said he would undo the policy, only to be met with fierce backlash that prompted him to abandon his promise. </quote> Hell yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/20/19 3:48:21 PM #2:	Is there any reason why it wouldn't be the states' prerogative to do so, or not? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:923601346] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Is there any reason why it wouldn't be the states' prerogative to do so, or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 06/20/19 3:49:43 PM #3:	Antifar posted... Hell yeah Why "hell yeah"? --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:923601411] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Hell yeah</quote> Why "hell yeah"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/20/19 3:53:59 PM #4:	chrono625 posted... Antifar posted... Hell yeah Why "hell yeah"? Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923601614] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Hell yeah</quote> Why "hell yeah"?</quote> Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/20/19 3:54:00 PM #5:	They're going to drive either way, I don't really see much of a down side --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:923601615] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>They're going to drive either way, I don't really see much of a down side</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lordgold666 06/20/19 3:56:05 PM #7:	Yikes --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:923601708] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Yikes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/20/19 3:56:05 PM #8:	now trump and feds can use the records to locate them --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:923601709] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>now trump and feds can use the records to locate them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 06/20/19 3:56:25 PM #9:	If they arent legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:923601724] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>If they arent legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/20/19 3:57:15 PM #10:	Antifar posted... chrono625 posted... Antifar posted... Hell yeah Why "hell yeah"? Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around. but cars are destroying our cities already! --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:923601762] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Hell yeah</quote> Why "hell yeah"?</quote> Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around.</quote> but cars are destroying our cities already!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 06/20/19 3:57:39 PM #11:	Antifar posted... chrono625 posted... Antifar posted... Hell yeah Why "hell yeah"? Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around. This doesnt change the fact they will still be exploited as cheap labor. In fact, this makes them more expendable as owners will be throwing them behind the wheels of vehicles. All the while no reporting of taxes. That's the main problem. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:923601779] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Hell yeah</quote> Why "hell yeah"?</quote> Because it's good that these workers will no longer have to drive without a license or rely on the magnamity of others to get around.</quote> This doesnt change the fact they will still be exploited as cheap labor. In fact, this makes them more expendable as owners will be throwing them behind the wheels of vehicles. All the while no reporting of taxes. That's the main problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/20/19 3:57:42 PM #12:	nah this is a good thing. there are other uses, too. one of the things undocumented immigrants use their city IDs for is, like, to pick up their kids from school --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:923601781] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>nah this is a good thing. there are other uses, too. one of the things undocumented immigrants use their city IDs for is, like, to pick up their kids from school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMariano3 06/20/19 3:59:08 PM #13:	NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections --- You can take my Karma, but you'll never take......MY FREEDOM! <cite>SuperMariano3 posted [p:923601845] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/20/19 3:59:12 PM #14:	Doesnt that make them documented? --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:923601849] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that make them documented?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/20/19 4:21:55 PM #15:	Rika_Furude posted... If they arent legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them. States don't have jurisdiction over immigration, but they do have jurisdiction over their own roadways. At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:923602956] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>If they arent legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them.</quote> States don't have jurisdiction over immigration, but they do have jurisdiction over their own roadways. At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/20/19 7:49:44 PM #16:	SuperMariano3 posted... NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923612342] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMariano3 posted...</cite> <quote>NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections</quote> Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/20/19 7:50:20 PM #17:	Cool --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923612373] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Cool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/20/19 7:52:23 PM #18:	Antifar posted... SuperMariano3 posted... NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote. That's not going to stop his type from spinning this as "HUR DUR FUCKING DEMOCRATS ARE ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO VOTE AND DATS THE ONLY REASON THEY WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!", and man, we both know that is the story spun from this --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923612477] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMariano3 posted...</cite> <quote>NY is a liberal state so who cares. Call me when someplace like Texas, Florida, or Ohio allows it then it could tip elections</quote> Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote.</quote> That's not going to stop his type from spinning this as "HUR DUR FUCKING DEMOCRATS ARE ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO VOTE AND DATS THE ONLY REASON THEY WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!", and man, we both know that is the story spun from this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 06/20/19 7:52:44 PM #19:	why is this good? they shouldn't be here in the first place --- https://i.imgtc.com/3owskMW.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:923612490] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>why is this good? they shouldn't be here in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/20/19 7:53:19 PM #20:	Spooking posted... The DMV needs to turn this information over to ICE. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:923612525] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>The DMV needs to turn this information over to ICE.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/20/19 7:54:39 PM #21:	voldothegr8 posted... Spooking posted... The DMV needs to turn this information over to ICE. Cuomo, who has said he is a staunch supporter of the bill, on Monday surprised lawmakers and said he would only sign it if the state solicitor general felt there were enough protections to prevent federal immigration authorities from accessing immigrants' data through the DMV database. Attorney General Letitia James released a statement Monday night saying the measure contained "ample protections for those who apply for driver's licenses." --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923612584] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>The DMV needs to turn this information over to ICE.</quote></quote> <quote>Cuomo, who has said he is a staunch supporter of the bill, on Monday surprised lawmakers and said he would only sign it if the state solicitor general felt there were enough protections to prevent federal immigration authorities from accessing immigrants' data through the DMV database. Attorney General Letitia James released a statement Monday night saying the measure contained "ample protections for those who apply for driver's licenses." </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 06/20/19 7:56:05 PM #22:	This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley https://imgur.com/4GzX1 <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:923612650] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/20/19 7:56:24 PM #23:	Does this allow them to get car insurance? I skimmed, but that sounds great. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923612673] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Does this allow them to get car insurance? I skimmed, but that sounds great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/20/19 7:58:13 PM #24:	BillyKidd posted... This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit. What's the profit? Dance for me and tell me --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923612747] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote>This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit.</quote> What's the profit? Dance for me and tell me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 06/20/19 7:59:44 PM #25:	Questionmarktarius posted... At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit. It's a crime to not have the right address on your license in NY. I believe it is a 100 dollar ticket if I remember right. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:923612819] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit.</quote> It's a crime to not have the right address on your license in NY. I believe it is a 100 dollar ticket if I remember right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 06/20/19 8:01:15 PM #26:	Wonder how it feels to be a legal immigrant who actually went through the process like youre supposed too and see shit like this --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:923612881] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Wonder how it feels to be a legal immigrant who actually went through the process like youre supposed too and see shit like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 06/20/19 8:02:56 PM #27:	The Great Muta 22 posted... BillyKidd posted... This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit. What's the profit? Dance for me and tell me deporting criminals is the profit --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley https://imgur.com/4GzX1 <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:923612952] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote>This is genius. Millions of illegal immigrants, we need to find them, tell them they can now get driver's licenses, raid the address they list, profit.</quote> What's the profit? Dance for me and tell me</quote> deporting criminals is the profit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 06/20/19 8:03:13 PM #28:	Abiz_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit. It's a crime to not have the right address on your license in NY. I believe it is a 100 dollar ticket if I remember right. And how will you find them and make them pay said ticket? --- "Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead" - Doom_Art <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:923612964] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abiz_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>At best, the only thing a state can really do is forward the information on to ICE. Assuming, of course, the address given for the drivers license isn't bullshit.</quote> It's a crime to not have the right address on your license in NY. I believe it is a 100 dollar ticket if I remember right.</quote> And how will you find them and make them pay said ticket?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/20/19 8:03:50 PM #29:	YourDrunkFather posted... Wonder how it feels to be a legal immigrant who actually went through the process like youre supposed too and see shit like this Likely empathy and support. And definitely not for the Republican party who still routinely demonizes, attacks, and belittles people you can personally relate to --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923612989] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>YourDrunkFather posted...</cite> <quote>Wonder how it feels to be a legal immigrant who actually went through the process like youre supposed too and see shit like this</quote> Likely empathy and support. And definitely not for the Republican party who still routinely demonizes, attacks, and belittles people you can personally relate to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maze_ 06/20/19 8:04:04 PM #30:	I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. <cite>Maze_ posted [p:923613007] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 06/20/19 8:05:58 PM #31:	darkphoenix181 posted... And how will you find them and make them pay said ticket? Just like they would a citizen. I would imagine. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:923613102] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>And how will you find them and make them pay said ticket?</quote> Just like they would a citizen. I would imagine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 06/20/19 8:06:33 PM #32:	Antifar posted... Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote. They are a form of identification that Poll Workers may use to confirm citizenship (since, before this bill passed, the only people who could get driver licenses are citizens, unless I'm mistaken.) <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:923613127] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Driver's licenses do not permit people to vote.</quote> They are a form of identification that Poll Workers may use to confirm citizenship (since, before this bill passed, the only people who could get driver licenses are citizens, unless I'm mistaken.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 06/20/19 8:07:46 PM #33:	Maze_ posted... I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. --- "Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead" - Doom_Art <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:923613178] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Maze_ posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 06/20/19 8:08:28 PM #34:	HiddenRoar posted... They are a form of identification that Poll Workers may use to confirm citizenship (since, before this bill passed, the only people who could get driver licenses are citizens, unless I'm mistaken.) No, you can be a foreigner and get a license. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:923613224] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenRoar posted...</cite> <quote>They are a form of identification that Poll Workers may use to confirm citizenship (since, before this bill passed, the only people who could get driver licenses are citizens, unless I'm mistaken.)</quote> No, you can be a foreigner and get a license.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maze_ 06/20/19 8:09:03 PM #35:	darkphoenix181 posted... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But.... you have to do one to do the other. I don't understand America. --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. <cite>Maze_ posted [p:923613247] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. </quote> But.... you have to do one to do the other. I don't understand America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/20/19 8:09:05 PM #36:	HiddenRoar posted... unless I'm mistaken. Antifar posted... making it the 13th state to have such a law on the books. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:923613248] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenRoar posted...</cite> <quote>unless I'm mistaken.</quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> making it the 13th state to have such a law on the books.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 06/20/19 8:09:13 PM #37:	darkphoenix181 posted... Maze_ posted... I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. the hell's the point of coming here legally then? --- https://i.imgtc.com/3owskMW.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:923613254] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Maze_ posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> the hell's the point of coming here legally then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 06/20/19 8:10:14 PM #38:	darkphoenix181 posted... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. Than why do we kick them out all the time? It's not legal for them to be here at all. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:923613290] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> Than why do we kick them out all the time? It's not legal for them to be here at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/20/19 8:12:26 PM #39:	Abiz_ posted... darkphoenix181 posted... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. Than why do we kick them out all the time? It's not legal for them to be here at all. For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923613385] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abiz_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> Than why do we kick them out all the time? It's not legal for them to be here at all.</quote> For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/20/19 8:13:24 PM #40:	darkphoenix181 posted... Maze_ posted... I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. [Citation needed] --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:923613424] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Maze_ posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> [Citation needed]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 06/20/19 8:14:22 PM #41:	darkphoenix181 posted... Maze_ posted... I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. so I break into your house and I can just live there? Sweet. I mean it was illegal to break into your home, but now that I'm there, it's my house now! --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley https://imgur.com/4GzX1 <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:923613473] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Maze_ posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> so I break into your house and I can just live there? Sweet. I mean it was illegal to break into your home, but now that I'm there, it's my house now!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 06/20/19 8:15:30 PM #42:	The Great Muta 22 posted... For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way Why aren't they put in jail and released back into American society like the rest of the people that break laws instead of kicked out of the country? That is a weird and unusual punishment if they are legal allowed here. Citizen don't get kicked out of the country for their crimes. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:923613525] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way</quote> Why aren't they put in jail and released back into American society like the rest of the people that break laws instead of kicked out of the country? That is a weird and unusual punishment if they are legal allowed here. Citizen don't get kicked out of the country for their crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 06/20/19 8:18:09 PM #43:	Lol at the state government promising illegal immigrants the feds just cant have any access to their records. Sure wink wink --- Raised on VHS, anchored to DVD <cite>masticatingman posted [p:923613655] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Lol at the state government promising illegal immigrants the feds just cant have any access to their records. Sure wink wink</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/20/19 8:24:46 PM #44:	Abiz_ posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way Why aren't they put in jail and released back into American society like the rest of the people that break laws instead of kicked out of the country? That is a weird and unusual punishment if they are legal allowed here. Citizen don't get kicked out of the country for their crimes. Because being in the country undocumented isn't an offense that demands deportation, especially if they are awaiting asylum hearings. And I'm all about upgrading and fixing the asylum procedure and increasing the judges and courts in the states to try and fix this issue, but unfortunately the current President and his administration seemingly don't give a single fuck about that. Almost as if they are using illegal migration as a campaign strategy and actually root for more illegal migrants to come in or something... --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923613962] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abiz_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>For entering illegally.... The law has to be meticulous and tedious for a reason. Because it literally is the backbone of any stable society. You want to paint with broad brushes when the law should NEVER work that way</quote> Why aren't they put in jail and released back into American society like the rest of the people that break laws instead of kicked out of the country? That is a weird and unusual punishment if they are legal allowed here. Citizen don't get kicked out of the country for their crimes.</quote> Because being in the country undocumented isn't an offense that demands deportation, especially if they are awaiting asylum hearings. And I'm all about upgrading and fixing the asylum procedure and increasing the judges and courts in the states to try and fix this issue, but unfortunately the current President and his administration seemingly don't give a single fuck about that. Almost as if they are using illegal migration as a campaign strategy and actually root for more illegal migrants to come in or something...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 06/20/19 8:26:56 PM #45:	darkphoenix181 posted... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. not true. laws aren't being enforced --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:923614061] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> not true. laws aren't being enforced</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 06/20/19 8:27:11 PM #46:	voldothegr8 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Maze_ posted... I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both... It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay. [Citation needed] https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/ Heres where we get to important legal point #1: being undocumented is not a crime. Its a civil violation. Undocumented immigrants have rights under the U.S. Constitution. And according to due process, the police cannot detain anyone who hasnt at least been suspected of a crime. If a police officer encounters someone walking down the street who turns out to be undocumented, they cannot arrest that person because that person has not committed a crime (ICE, however, can). Similarly, if the police arrest someone undocumented for example, someone suspected of committing a crime, who is then cleared, they must let that person go. Important legal point #2: holding an immigrant past the point when they should be released, just so that ICE can pick them up, is unconstitutional. Multiple courts have said so, and immigrants can sue the police for unlawful holding. Here we get back to the point of sanctuary cities: in a sanctuary city, the police will release an arrested immigrant after hes been cleared of charges, posted bail, or completed jail time for whatever he was arrested for. A non-sanctuary city will hold that person until ICE can come pick them up even though that extra holding is not constitutional. Keep in mind that all of the above only applies if the undocumented person has not committed any serious crimes. If they have, the police can keep them in jail by filing charges. Or ICE can present the police with a warrant or other order from a judge, which will result in a hold until ICE can come by. --- "Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead" - Doom_Art <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:923614076] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Maze_ posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this "It's illegal for you to live in this country but it is legal to get a drivers liscense while you're illegally here." That doesn't make sense to me... Either make it legal for them to be here or kick them out... You can't do both...</quote> It is not illegal for them to live in said country. It was illegal for them to enter said country. But now that they are here, they are allowed to stay.</quote> [Citation needed]</quote> https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/ <quote> Heres where we get to important legal point #1: being undocumented is not a crime. Its a civil violation. Undocumented immigrants have rights under the U.S. Constitution. And according to due process, the police cannot detain anyone who hasnt at least been suspected of a crime. If a police officer encounters someone walking down the street who turns out to be undocumented, they cannot arrest that person because that person has not committed a crime (ICE, however, can). Similarly, if the police arrest someone undocumented for example, someone suspected of committing a crime, who is then cleared, they must let that person go. Important legal point #2: holding an immigrant past the point when they should be released, just so that ICE can pick them up, is unconstitutional. Multiple courts have said so, and immigrants can sue the police for unlawful holding. Here we get back to the point of sanctuary cities: in a sanctuary city, the police will release an arrested immigrant after hes been cleared of charges, posted bail, or completed jail time for whatever he was arrested for. A non-sanctuary city will hold that person until ICE can come pick them up even though that extra holding is not constitutional. Keep in mind that all of the above only applies if the undocumented person has not committed any serious crimes. If they have, the police can keep them in jail by filing charges. Or ICE can present the police with a warrant or other order from a judge, which will result in a hold until ICE can come by.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cornmuffins 06/20/19 8:27:53 PM #47:	Awesome news A lot of ppl complaining didn't seem to read the article, which isn't surprising --- Getting C's and D's, saying thanks and please. You broke the golden rule, you're staying after school. <cite>Cornmuffins posted [p:923614113] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote>Awesome news A lot of ppl complaining didn't seem to read the article, which isn't surprising</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenRoar 06/20/19 8:45:33 PM #49:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Because being in the country undocumented isn't an offense that demands deportation, especially if they are awaiting asylum hearings. And I'm all about upgrading and fixing the asylum procedure and increasing the judges and courts in the states to try and fix this issue, but unfortunately the current President and his administration seemingly don't give a single f* about that. Almost as if they are using illegal migration as a campaign strategy and actually root for more illegal migrants to come in or something... Asylum claims are made at ports of entries (or embassies); not by sneaking across the border, disappearing, and then making a claim when caught. Also, hard for that blame, about Trump's Admin not doing anything, to mean anything when you consider his predecessors have barely done anything as well. Edit: darkphoenix181 posted... https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/ Literally a blog. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:923614875] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote> Because being in the country undocumented isn't an offense that demands deportation, especially if they are awaiting asylum hearings. And I'm all about upgrading and fixing the asylum procedure and increasing the judges and courts in the states to try and fix this issue, but unfortunately the current President and his administration seemingly don't give a single f* about that. Almost as if they are using illegal migration as a campaign strategy and actually root for more illegal migrants to come in or something...</quote> Asylum claims are made at ports of entries (or embassies); not by sneaking across the border, disappearing, and then making a claim when caught. Also, hard for that blame, about Trump's Admin not doing anything, to mean anything when you consider his predecessors have barely done anything as well. Edit: <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/</quote> Literally a blog.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkmaian23 06/20/19 8:49:58 PM #50:	Rika_Furude posted... If they aren't legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them. This. The dehumanizing tactics of the Trump administration are appalling, but at the same time, I don't understand why people living in the country illegally need more free things. It's illogical, and it's a slap in the face to every person who worked hard and came here lawfully. <cite>darkmaian23 posted [p:923615051] in New York P... [t:77805750]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>If they aren't legally allowed in the country, why even bother allowing them to get a drivers license? It would be better to deport them.</quote> This. The dehumanizing tactics of the Trump administration are appalling, but at the same time, I don't understand why people living in the country illegally need more free things. It's illogical, and it's a slap in the face to every person who worked hard and came here lawfully.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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