Current Events > Detroit was actually quite good. (Heavy spoilers)

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I was cautious about boarding David Cage's Wild Ride again, but I gave it a shot and really liked it.

It wasn't perfect, and Markus's plotline was kind of bad, with it feeling very very forced in terms of him basically becoming Robot Jesus, and having no subtlety whatsoever (the back of the bus part was...insanely blatant).

I was kind of ehh on the Alice twist, too. It felt like a classic David Cage twist-for-the-sake-of-being-a-twist and raises some questions (which are apparently explained on other routes to be fair).

But overall, I enjoyed the story, the characters were generally good (but fuck North, I got her killed on purpose when the game let me. I also hated Amanda but she was kind of just an AI designed to hate your choices if you weren't a totally obedient robot, so it's not as bad), and it was very immersive. I cared about what happened to almost everyone. Also, Hank stole the show. The Connor chapters were the best for their dynamic in particular, and Hank was my favorite character by a huge margin.

So yeah, nice to see a David Cage game work out. I saw a stream of Fahrenheit and it was so bad that it was hilarious, Heavy Rain was solid but flawed, and I hear that Beyond is beyond awful. I was kind of cautious about trying Detroit, but I honestly really liked it.
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The Alice twist was dumb because by that time everyone and player knew or had a strong feeling that's what it was. The only who completely oblivious about it was that Kara chick.
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didn't read the topic but this is detroit: become human yes?
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Yeah I really liked it. That whole narrative flowchart is a really neat idea.
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Guy_Fieri posted...

The Alice twist was dumb because by that time everyone and player knew or had a strong feeling that's what it was. The only who completely oblivious about it was that Kara chick.

I wasn't 100% certain, but yeah, I was pretty positive. It was dumb that everyone around her immediately knew and even tried to tell her at certain points, but it still takes her until the very end to get it. You'd think she would have pieced something together at some point.

SauI_Goodman posted...

didn't read the topic but this is detroit: become human yes?

Yeah.

Darmik posted...

Yeah I really liked it. That whole narrative flowchart is a really neat idea.

Agreed, that aspect was cool. I also liked being able to see what others did on the flowchart, too. I was kind of interested in some of my choices being in the minority by far, like sparing the Tracis at the club.
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The game is infinitely more interesting when your characters dont all think the same. Get into character.
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Conner is the only one to have a good story, Marcus' is bad, Kara's is pointless
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cuttin_in_farm posted...

The game is infinitely more interesting when your characters dont all think the same. Get into character.

Agreed, though I did feel kinda forced into making Connor defect late in the story. I wanted to have him stick to the mission, but I was trying to keep everyone alive except for North, so I went for Connor defecting just because I could easily see one of Connor/Markus dying there if I didn't.

SSJKirby posted...

Conner is the only one to have a good story, Marcus' is bad, Kara's is pointless

Connor was definitely the best by far. Kara's was ultimately pointless, but I still liked it, and I smiled when Kara/Luther/Alice crossed the border in the end and finally made it. Markus...I liked his story early on, with the father/son relationship with the painter, but I felt like the Jericho stuff went way downhill. Like I said, robot Jesus was very forced, and the Jericho cast was really weak (Simon/Josh were bland, and North was horrible). It was still okay, just kind of forced.
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If someone asked me if David Cage games are good, I'd cautiously say yes but do it with quotation marks.
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I thought this was about the underrated Kathryn Bigelow movie but instead I got Detroit: Become Human spoilers. Yay!

>_>

Luckily I wasn't going to play the game anyway.
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I still very much liked how my first play through went.

People saying Karas was pointless only highlights how unfortunate their play through must have went.

Everyone always makes Connor defect just because it feels correct. But its cool how different your game goes depending on how you perceive stuff.

My Markus was legit pissed on how he got trashed, so I actually agreed with North and thought Josh was a naive dumbass.

But Karas story is important to show how civilian androids are affected. This is emphasized if your Kara DOESNT escape Jericho like mine did. My Markus was literally fighting a full scale battle leading to a boss fight with Connor to save Kara and Alice.

I cant imagine the game ending differently tbh.
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Kara's story was great because it felt like there was the most at stake.

Her whole final section for me was the most tense any narrative game has gotten. Only a specific section in Life is Strange compares to it.

I got the one where we tried to smuggle through the border by boat, we got intercepted and shot at and barely survived the cold water.
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DarkRoast posted...

If someone asked me if David Cage games are good, I'd cautiously say yes but do it with quotation marks.

I think that he comes up with solid plot ideas but either bogs them down with twists, or tries to do too much and just leaves out plot details entirely that leave things going nowhere. Detroit was the least bad about it, at least.

Granted, I never played Beyond, so I dunno what was wrong with it, but I've heard very negative things about it.

Kastrada posted...

I thought this was about the underrated Kathryn Bigelow movie but instead I got Detroit: Become Human spoilers. Yay!

>_>

Luckily I wasn't going to play the game anyway.

Sorry about that. I thought about including the subtitle, but I thought people would know already. My bad.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I still very much liked how my first play through went.

People saying Karas was pointless only highlights how unfortunate their play through must have went.

Everyone always makes Connor defect just because it feels correct. But its cool how different your game goes depending on how you perceive stuff.

My Markus was legit pissed on how he got trashed, so I actually agreed with North and thought Josh was a naive dumbass.

But Karas story is important to show how civilian androids are affected. This is emphasized if your Kara DOESNT escape Jericho like mine did. My Markus was literally fighting a full scale battle leading to a boss fight with Connor to save Kara and Alice.

I cant imagine the game ending differently tbh.

Yeah, I like how differently the story can play out. It's definitely something that David Cage does very well there.

And yeah, I agree about Kara. I get the complaint of her not tying to the main plot, but I really liked her story anyway. It had the most human component to it, and it was nice to have some personal stakes, even if I was kind of eh on Alice as a whole.

Darmik posted...

I got the one where we tried to smuggle through the border by boat, we got intercepted and shot at and barely survived the cold water.

I got the bus station ending, which was still really tense. I almost panicked and asked for a sacrifice, but I went for no sacrifice, which apparently worked since I was going purely pacifist. It was all just really sweet, and I was really happy to see her succeed.
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dotsdfe posted...

Granted, I never played Beyond, so I dunno what was wrong with it, but I've heard very negative things about it.

dotsdfe posted...

or tries to do too much and just leaves out plot details entirely that leave things going nowhere.

Well there you go. "Lets show a vision of the future and how bad it is, and then never actually get to that point!"
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dave_is_slick posted...

dotsdfe posted...

Granted, I never played Beyond, so I dunno what was wrong with it, but I've heard very negative things about it.

dotsdfe posted...

or tries to do too much and just leaves out plot details entirely that leave things going nowhere.

Well there you go. "Lets show a vision of the future and how bad it is, and then never actually get to that point!"

Ah, okay.

Yeah, that's definitely a Cage issue as a whole. IIRC Heavy Rain had some supernatural elements implied, but the foreshadowing went nowhere at all. Detroit had ra9 teased throughout the story, but evidently there's no real explanation for it at all.

I'd call them red herrings, but it seems more like he sets up plots and then changes his mind a bit and does something else entirely.
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I think there's enough hints for ra9 that you can sorta have theories for it yourself. I kinda like that it's left a bit mysterious.

Meanwhile the Heavy Rain stuff absolutely is due to cut content and makes no sense.
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For alot of people the worst thing about Beyond: Two Souls was how the plot unfolds. It jumps around between kid, adult, back to kid, teen, back to adult, kid, etc.

Granted this was kinda fixed with the remix mode which delivers the plot in chronological order. The story itself isn't great but not terrible either and at times can get a little creepy.
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No
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Strider102 posted...

The story itself isn't great but not terrible either and at times can get a little creepy.

Yeah, I liked it. Should've been done like that from the beginning, feel like reception would've been much better. Nobody likes when stories jump around like that.
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I hated that random Desert section of Beyond. Dragged on forever and was completely pointless.

I can barely remember that game overall.
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Darmik posted...

I hated that random Desert section of Beyond. Dragged on forever and was completely pointless.

I can barely remember that game overall.

You're lucky. Wish I could forget that shit.
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